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Trembling Hand said:
Julia that study is severely flawed. It doesn't take into count the extra revenue of a healthy person working and paying tax v a sick unproductive person. And that study didn't take into count the quality of live of people that are obese and smoke.

As for the lycra cycling cloths aren't made of that. haven't since about 86. mostly its a poly/cotton blend. yep fat middle age people don't look great in anything tight fitting. But stiff ****. I love it when I go for a ride and see beach road full of all sorts having a go. Its Australia not Afghanistan under the Taliban!!
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Trembler, this elitist rubbish is just what I'm arguing against. The ordinary fat bloke or girl doesn't give a rats about your studies. In the past they cycled. Now they don't. and its because of bloody helmets.

Answer no 5. if you dare.

gg
 
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Garpal Gumnut said:
Trembler, this elitist rubbish is just what I'm arguing against. The ordinary fat bloke or girl doesn't give a rats about your studies. In the past they cycled. Now they don't. and its because of bloody helmets.
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Your full of it gg. it aint my study man. Read the frigin' post. its not my study and it's FOR your argument. LOL.

I am elitist F me who was the tosser that started the 5 mil only thread??????????????????????????????????

Garpal Gumnut said:
5. I've got no problem with folk who choose to wear a bicycle helmet, its a bit like having a financial adviser. if it makes you feel better and its not going to make any difference, and you can afford it, why not?

gg
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There is nothing to answer here! you are incorrectly assuming it doesn't make a diff. IT DOES.

You state people are not cycling. They are doing it MORE as a recreation less as transport not because of cost but because they are lazy. they are choosing something MORE expensive, a car. Your argument is completely flawed and lacking common sense.
 
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I think your giving him the reaction he is after TH...
 
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Trembling Hand said:
Your full of it gg. it aint my study man. Read the frigin' post. its not my study and it's FOR your argument. LOL.

I am elitist F me who was the tosser that started the 5 mil only thread??????????????????????????????????



There is nothing to answer here! you are incorrectly assuming it doesn't make a diff. IT DOES.

You state people are not cycling. They are doing it MORE as a recreation less as transport not because of cost but because they are lazy. they are choosing something MORE expensive, a car. Your argument is completely flawed and lacking common sense.
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I am talking about ordinary people not the lycra mob who run over little old lady's in phalanges on a Sunday morning.

Ordinary people I speak to hate helmets.

Most cases in the courts against folk caught cycling without helmets are against indigenous, poor and the youth.

The fat and the poor hate helmets.

The bourgeois lycra clad sunday morning hordes love them, much as any crowd of elitists with a uniform would.

gg

prawn_86 said:
I think your giving him the reaction he is after TH...
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Hello everybody... I haven't posted on this site for over a year now (got sick of the BS) and reading the dribble on this thread has inspired me to post again... GG you cannot be trading and making a profit if you think this is reasonable... I will tell you why people don't ride... They don't ride because they are insecure not because of their helmets, BUT because they are riding a bike... These fat people don't go to the gym for the same reasons... But more than that it is due to Drivers on the roads... They do not respect riders... I have been called wanker numerous times because they are weak in character... I'm doing nothing more than minding my own business and being as considerate to drivers as I can... I think that if you think the helmet looks bad on a person then you probably think the person is just ugly... Seriously... Helmets are fine... The point of Lycra is Aerodynamics... People in their cars don't understand this because they don't feel wind... If I wear lycra it adds 5 to 10 Kilometers per Hour to my average speed... (if you like doing 40Kph).

I have had sooooo many close calls with cars, not my fault, but if they had eventuated into an accident then I would be retarded I think... I'm still yet to collide with a motorized vehicle... Helmets save lives... They also say I'm smart...

You love being controversial :)
 
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The Dutch are by enlarge fitter, more progressive in many aspects of their social structure, are at least as well educated as the Australian population, and use bicycles as a population exponentially more than Australians and have the choice as to whether they to wear a helmet or not.
Personally I've worn out half a dozen Bicycles over the last forty years. On this topic I go Dutch. If I want to go and get the milk at ambilitory speed down a disused foot path surrounded by deserted roads at seven o'clock on a saturday morning and be fined, $200 dollars for that behavior, i'll know the nazi's have taken over. If I'm going to rocket down an arterial road in peak hour and not wear a helmet, i'd be a bloody idiot, and deserve to end up under a cement truck. But treat people like children and they behave like them.
Not only that hardly a day goes by, if you bother to look, that this law goes ignored and un-enforced, that by definition makes it a bad law.
A lot of people went along with the Vietnam war because the government decided it was good policy, until enough people (radicals, to start with) revolted, it will be a long while before the brain damage done to discerning bicycle riders allowed to make their own choice catches up with the damage done by that policy decision.
Happy being fat? Happy being lazy? Happy with compulsory helmet laws because it gives an excuse not to get on a bike, ever....
 
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orr said:
The Dutch are by enlarge fitter, more progressive in many aspects of their social structure, are at least as well educated as the Australian population, and use bicycles as a population exponentially more than Australians and have the choice as to whether they to wear a helmet or not.
Personally I've worn out half a dozen Bicycles over the last forty years. On this topic I go Dutch. If I want to go and get the milk at ambilitory speed down a disused foot path surrounded by deserted roads at seven o'clock on a saturday morning and be fined, $200 dollars for that behavior, i'll know the nazi's have taken over. If I'm going to rocket down an arterial road in peak hour and not wear a helmet, i'd be a bloody idiot, and deserve to end up under a cement truck. But treat people like children and they behave like them.
Not only that hardly a day goes by, if you bother to look, that this law goes ignored and un-enforced, that by definition makes it a bad law.
A lot of people went along with the Vietnam war because the government decided it was good policy, until enough people (radicals, to start with) revolted, it will be a long while before the brain damage done to discerning bicycle riders allowed to make their own choice catches up with the damage done by that policy decision.
Happy being fat? Happy being lazy? Happy with compulsory helmet laws because it gives an excuse not to get on a bike, ever....
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excellent post mate, exactly my feelings.

and that is not to discount all those fat unhealthy people who would love to get on a bicycle without having to wear a fried egg on their head.

gg
 
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There are 750,000 people in Amsterdam and 600,000 bicycles, you have to see it to believe it.

They put us to shame. but Amsterdam is flat which helps I guess.

I've wondered just how less of a burdon on their health system they are than the bloated burger monsters that inhabit this country are on ours.
 
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Garpal Gumnut said:
IThe bourgeois lycra clad sunday morning hordes love them, much as any crowd of elitists with a uniform would.
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"I'm not going to ride a bike anymore because I have to wear a helmet!"

I think we all know which group is being elitists. But, I'm sure we can get a petition going so that all the people who choose not to wear a helmet will be given the right (read-no choice) to opt out of medicare and any other free medical service and compensation should they suffer in injury whilst riding a bike.

Perhaps the reason these people don't wear helmets is because their head is so far up their own a55es that they couldn't get one on anyway.
 
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I normally wouldnt be swayed into participating in such an argument, but you've hit a sore point for me.

All you mutts who think helmets are a poor fashion statement have obviously never had a head injury.

I have cycled on almost a daily basis for the past 20 years, I currently do downhill, cross country and observed trials mountain biking, and commute on the road, and I would never dream of getting on a bike without a helmet.

I can list 5 people off the top of my head (including me) who's lives have been saved (or not as affected) because they were wearing a helmet.
I have 2 friends who incured brain damage (1 temp, the other permanent) who would almost definatelly have died had they not have been wearing one.

No, they wont help much if your run over by a car, however they will prevent substancial injury if you crash.

For you to sit there and say that people are no longer riding bikes because of the requirement for protective equipment is a display of your ignorance.

If you refuse to ride a bike because your required to ride a helmet, then pehaps you'd be better off driving your car hotted up car to mcdonalds for a cheeseburger and gain the street cred that a helmet so obviously prevents.

For the people who truely love cycling, as a hobby, a competitive sport, or an alternative to other types of comuting, a helmet is a valued part of our cycling lifestyle, and one that we embrace.

As far as elitists go, no one laughs harder at them than me when they spend mega $$$'s on bikes, and team replica kits etc, only to ride to the coffee shop, HOWEVER, they are supporting cycling as an industry by attending cycling events, spending their money at the local bikeshops etc etc, which can only help the entire cycling community as a whole.

If you wish to ride a bike without a helmet, then you deserve a head injury.

I challenge anyone who disagree's to come for a ride with me!
 
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Needlesss to say here is a quote which came from another thread on this very forum... This is why you wear helmets... I do believe they should lift the ban on riding on footpaths but people do abuse this... What they should have is a Dob in a bad Driver campaign" much like EPA's littering one... That is a huge encouragement... Let's face it Us Aussies are a very Aggressive people... Also increase penalties against drivers for serious injuries...

"Out this morning on a bike ride through the hills of Perth and had someone deliberately try to hit me. I was riding along and heard a car coming past me real slowly, took no notice. But after he started to take a real long time to get past I thought something was up. When I looked over he was trying to get as close to me as possible with his wing mirror. My question is why?? What purpose does this serve? Why are people such mindless, arrogant A%^$#holes?

And don't come back with this crap with we shouldn't be on the road, pay taxes, ride on the footpath (which for your information is illegal), blah, blah, blah. I'm not interested in that ****.

My question is simply why do you (if you are one of these d!ckheads) deliberately put my life at risk for no obvious reason?"


Here's the link
https://www.aussiestockforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14261
 
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I knew I shouldn't have started posting again... It's like an addiction...

The Government must spend more on bike lanes... This Fiscal Year they have only spent a disapointing $800,000-
 
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Bikes shouldn't be on public roads anymore, half the people out there cant drive and a fair percentage are arrogant aggressive dickheads.
Bike path or nothing.
 
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insider said:
I knew I shouldn't have started posting again... It's like an addiction...

The Government must spend more on bike lanes... This Fiscal Year they have only spent a disapointing $800,000-
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Something that puzzles me is that even when there is a dedicated bike path, the cyclists still choose to ride on the road amongst the traffic. Why would you cyclists not choose the safer option?
And I'd add that the bike path is better maintained than the roads.
 
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highonoctane said:
As far as elitists go, no one laughs harder at them than me when they spend mega $$$'s on bikes, and team replica kits etc, only to ride to the coffee shop, HOWEVER, they are supporting cycling as an industry by attending cycling events, spending their money at the local bikeshops etc etc, which can only help the entire cycling community as a whole.

If you wish to ride a bike without a helmet, then you deserve a head injury.

I challenge anyone who disagree's to come for a ride with me!
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These "POSERS" are what stoped me from buying a race bike... I think I'll stick with my $700 flat bar road bike... There is also a new kind of poser... "The Fixed Wheel poser" They all want to pretend they are Pushbike-Couriers... Turned me off a fixie...
 
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Julia said:
Something that puzzles me is that even when there is a dedicated bike path, the cyclists still choose to ride on the road amongst the traffic. Why would you cyclists not choose the safer option?
And I'd add that the bike path is better maintained than the roads.
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Hello Julia long time no speak... :)
Because it may not be necessarily the safer option in the first place... If your doing 40Km/h+ the road is usally safer... I had 2 falls on the bike tracks due to maintenence and none on the roads... I ride 99% of the time on the road... Above all it's legal... I can't stand it when drivers get annoyed about a cyclist up ahead, it's far better than a parked car...
 
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insider said:
Hello Julia long time no speak... :)
Because it may not be necessarily the safer option in the first place... If your doing 40Km/h+ the road is usally safer... I had 2 falls on the bike tracks due to maintenence and none on the roads... I ride 99% of the time on the road... Above all it's legal... I can't stand it when drivers get annoyed about a cyclist up ahead, it's far better than a parked car...
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shame we not allowed to use the bike paths while all you lycra clad posers blockin up our roads 3 /.4 abreast instead of using YOUR own designated paths


NO offense intended to the non posers and the ones that use the roads without the feeling of grandeur
 
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MrBurns said:
Bikes shouldn't be on public roads anymore, half the people out there cant drive and a fair percentage are arrogant aggressive dickheads.
Bike path or nothing.
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This just reminded me of Brazil's laws which work very well actually... It is a little lopsided but in Brazil if you collide with a motor cyclist unless he hit you directly from behind or ran a red IT IS YOUR FAULT... Penalties are very harsh... It works well... But there is also a notion that most motor cyclists carry guns which I consider it to be true...
 
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Sometimes I drive past parked cars and some idiot throws open his or her door to get out, not just open it but throw it fully open.

If a bike hit that it could kill.

There is no way I would ride on the road, in years gone by it was different, less cars, less fools driving them.
 
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