Asylum immigrants - Green Light

[Calliope]

The Indonesians don't seem to be overly concerned with the number of wanna be refugees in the country so why would they sign up to that?

I've no idea. You would have to ask them.

 

[sptrawler]

The Indonesians don't seem to be overly concerned with the number of wanna be refugees in the country so why would they sign up to that?

They wouldn't sign up to that, they're not stupid, we are.

From Indonesias point of view, the asylum seeker lands, pays for a temporary visa.

Then they spend money in Indonesia, untill a boat is available, to Australia.

The only way they would change their position, is if Australia paid them a lot of money, to compensate them.

The only other option is to tell Indonesia, we will not accept Indonesian flagged boats, violating our waters and soveriegnty, for financial gain.

In other words sod off, this is our country.

Rudd goes over there and gets Bam Bang to say, "don't tell us to sod off".
What the hell is going on.

How the hell, can that be seen, as in the best interest of Australia. Indonesias 'bitch' (sorry)

 

[drsmith]

If the following is right, the people smugglers will be testing the waters on Kev's PNG solution,

PEOPLE smugglers appear to be testing Kevin Rudd's new PNG solution, with concerns there could be as many as 10 boats on their way amid revelations the cost of the first year of operation of an expanded Manus Island camp could exceed $1 billion.

The cracks with who they are and are not going to send to PNG in the immediate future at least are starting to appear,

Four boats carrying more than 250 people have arrived since Friday, but only single adult men can be sent to PNG immediately, with families to remain in Australia until facilities are ready, which could take until next year.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...ellhole-solution/story-e6frg6n6-1226683421329

 

[sptrawler]

If the following is right, the people smugglers will be testing the waters on Kev's PNG solution,



The cracks with who they are and are not going to send to PNG in the immediate future at least are starting to appear,



http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...ellhole-solution/story-e6frg6n6-1226683421329

Well blind freddy, would have thought the best way to bust it, was to test it.lol
Captain bloody chaos back at the wheel, throwing candy bars overboard.

 

[Country Lad]

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...ellhole-solution/story-e6frg6n6-1226683421329

Interesting comment in the article.

The expected influx comes as a vessel overdue at Christmas Island was found by Australian rescuers with 30 passengers safe and well.

I can visualise a screen in the asylum seekers arrivals hall at Christmas Island listing the departure and arrival times of the various boats and this one noting "overdue" in the arrival time.

Cheers
Country Lad

 

[Calliope]

Interesting comment in the article.



I can visualise a screen in the asylum seekers arrivals hall at Christmas Island listing the departure and arrival times of the various boats and this one noting "overdue" in the arrival time.

Cheers
Country Lad

Yes it will show ARRIVALS, OVERDUE but no DEPARTURES. I think that Rudd smoke and mirrors "tough" policy will see an immediate boost in arrivals. A few more boatloads will bury the Manus solution, and a defeated Rudd will say "well it seemed like a good idea at the time".

 

[sptrawler]

Interesting comment in the article.



I can visualise a screen in the asylum seekers arrivals hall at Christmas Island listing the departure and arrival times of the various boats and this one noting "overdue" in the arrival time.

Cheers
Country Lad

That's a classic Country Lad, maybe they could have an on screen map showing the location of the various vessels on the way.
Then the Navy and customs wouldn't have to search, they could sit and watch the screen.

 

[drsmith]

The following, if genuine, is very interesting,

http://www.michaelsmithnews.com/201...ts-almost-100-laptopipad-owners.html#comments

 

[Julia]

The link goes to Michael's conversation with Sharon where she describes the laptop bags the passengers are carrying and their designer clothing but I can't see a link to the actual photos they're all so excited about.
Can you help with this, drsmith? I'm now curious to know what is so dramatic that one of the following posts asserts these photos have just won Tony Abbott the election.

 

[sails]

The link goes to Michael's conversation with Sharon where she describes the laptop bags the passengers are carrying and their designer clothing but I can't see a link to the actual photos they're all so excited about.
Can you help with this, drsmith? I'm now curious to know what is so dramatic that one of the following posts asserts these photos have just won Tony Abbott the election.

Julia - try this link: http://www.michaelsmithnews.com/201...stmas-island-cenotaph-on-anzac-day-2013-.html

Maybe an overly exuberant poster made that remark? But then I have only skimmed some of it so might have missed something.

The thing I find frustrating is that labor have obviously known for a long time that most of the arrivals were not genuine refugees fleeing persecution and yet they have let this continue at massive cost to the taxpayer for nearly six years before pulling this rushed PNG stunt just before an election. How any thinking Aussie could trust them for another term is beyond me!

 

[pixel]

How any thinking Aussie could trust them for another term is beyond me!

You mean RIGHT thinking Aussie, don't you.
I reckon there are lots of LEFT thinking ones that don't like the unholy Abbot-Bishop alliance either.

 

[drsmith]

The link goes to Michael's conversation with Sharon where she describes the laptop bags the passengers are carrying and their designer clothing but I can't see a link to the actual photos they're all so excited about.
Can you help with this, drsmith? I'm now curious to know what is so dramatic that one of the following posts asserts these photos have just won Tony Abbott the election.

The photos are on another of Michael's posts.

The main thing is that it would appear the boats are still coming thick and fast with three arriving today at the port carrying about 70 each. The extent to which these are previous boats announced over the weekend remains to be seen, but only one of those was around that number with the other two much less.

The arrival announcements on Jason Clare's Home Affairs site can be a few days late as noted last week.

 

[sails]

You mean RIGHT thinking Aussie, don't you.
I reckon there are lots of LEFT thinking ones that don't like the unholy Abbot-Bishop alliance either.

Rudd has shown his lack of management skills for nearly three years with so many debacles including budget blow-outs and opening the borders which unbelievably created the very problem he is now trying to fix at massive expense.

Abbott and Bishop haven't had their go yet so it's not time to write them off yet!! At least the coalition have a good track record at balancing the budget and securing our borders.

 

[drsmith]

I wouldn't expect Kev's PNG solution to fall over by some sudden revelation or event.

It will more likely be death by a series of stumbles.

 

[sails]

Whistleblower claims asylum seekers in Manus Island centre have been raped and abused with full knowledge of staff

Mr St George has described repeated instances of sexual abuse between asylum seekers in the single male compound.

He says victims are knowingly left in the same compound as their abusers because there are no facilities to separate them.

"There was nothing that could be done for these young men who were considered vulnerable, which in many cases is just a euphemism for men who have been raped," he said.

"They just had to stay where they were."

In Australia, the facility couldn't even serve as a dog kennel. The owners would be jailed.
Rod St George, speaking to Dateline
He says attempted suicides and self-harm are now an "almost daily" occurrence at the centre.

Read more: http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-07-23/whistleblower-claims-manus-island-detainees-raped/4839198

 

[sptrawler]

Whistleblower claims asylum seekers in Manus Island centre have been raped and abused with full knowledge of staff




Read more: http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-07-23/whistleblower-claims-manus-island-detainees-raped/4839198

What amazes me is Labor has encouraged the influx of these people. Rather than promote the orderly immigration of genuine people.
One has to wonder if there wasn't some ulterior motive.
When they can do 180 deg backflip, a month out from an election and do what they said was morally repulsive.

 

[Calliope]

I don't think Rudd will be sending anyone to Manus anytime soon. These thugs can burn the facilities faster then we can erect them. The illegals are arriving much faster than we can ever accommodate them at Manus. As for turning a blind eye homosexual assaults... homosexuality is a crime in PNG as is rape.

The Manus scheme is going nowhere.

Department of Immigration staff turned a blind eye to a series of rapes and assaults at the Manus Island detention centre, a whistleblower has claimed.

The startling allegations, broadcast on SBS TV’s Dateline program on Tuesday night, also include claims that detainees have been stockpiling weapons and are “quite open that there will come a time where they will break out and people will be killed”.

Former G4S guard Rod St George, who worked as a compliance manager before resigning in mid-April, told Dateline that asylum seekers have been sexually abused and tortured by other asylum seekers…

A department spokeswoman said ... the department was aware of an allegation of sexual assault on the island but could not comment due to the sensitive nature of the incident.

As Australia prepares to send all asylum seekers to Papua New Guinea for processing and resettlement, and massively expand facilities at Manus Island, Mr St George said the Manus facilities – if they were in Australia – “couldn’t even serve as a dog kennel. The owners would be jailed"…

Mr St George alleged six men were sexually abused in the men-only tent section of the camp. Because there are no separate secure areas, he said, the victims were left in the same facilities as their attackers.

 

[drsmith]

Indonesia and PNG don't mind stepping in to our domestic politics, especially when there's a pot of Australian taxpayer's money at stake.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-07-...tion-to-stop-misrepresenting-aid-deal/4841552

Nothing new on Jason Clare's Home affairs site since the weekend, but according to Michael Smith's site (Sharon), two boats have been escorted into Christmas Island today, one estimated to be carrying 100 to 150 and the other around 80.

The latest Maritime Safety Information current at 240700 UTC JUL 13 as listed on Michael Smith's site also makes for sobering reading,

A WOODEN ASYLUM SEEKER VESSEL WITH 70 POB HAS BEEN REPORTED TAKING ON WATER IN POSITION 09-08.38S 106-02.30E AT 240400UTC

SRI LANKAN FISHING VESSEL SAVIN PUTHA WITH 65 POB REPORTED DISABLED AND ADRIFT IN POSITION 04-40N 084-40E AT 231105 UTC.

REFUGEE VESSEL REPORTED IN DIFFICULTY IN POSITION 08-13.80 S 105-06.80 E AT 231534 UTC. VESSEL BELIEVED TO HAVE 130 POB. NO FURTHER INFORMATION KNOWN.

AN ASYLUM SEEKER VESSEL WITH 100 POB HAS BEEN REPORTED TO BE SUFFERING MECHANICAL DIFFICULTIES AND TAKING WATER IN POSITION 09 03.99S 104 54.22E AT 240610UTC.

http://www.michaelsmithnews.com/201...rent-distress-1610-eastern-standard-time.html

 

[sails]

Manus camp cleared out for Rudd plan

All asylum seekers on Manus Island are being brought to the Australian mainland or Christmas Island to enable the remote detention centre to be used exclusively for those subject to Kevin Rudd's hardline "

Officials believe it would be a recipe for trouble if the Manus Island centre had two classes of detainees - those who may have a chance of being resettled in Australia and those who do not.

As of yesterday, there were 130 single male asylum seekers at Manus Island, down from more than 200 a week ago. They are expected to be brought to Australia within the next few days.

Read more: http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/-/wa/18123523/manus-camp-cleared-out-for-rudd-plan/

 

[sptrawler]

Indonesia and PNG don't mind stepping in to our domestic politics, especially when there's a pot of Australian taxpayer's money at stake.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-07-...tion-to-stop-misrepresenting-aid-deal/4841552

Seems like we are bribing all our nieghbors, fistfull of dollars to Indonesia, for Bam Bang to say don't turn back the boats.
Now a bucket load of dollars, to allow Rudd to use PNG, in his the advertising campaign.