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Milne is screaming. But there is one thing Rudd has learned (and Gillard too late), is that if the Greens are for it...it must be bad, and if they are agin it ...it must be good for the rest of us.:D

I wonder why, if everything can be fixed in a month, wasn't it done before?
 
I'm curious Doc, when do you think this will become an important enough issue for the noalition to take some action?

Or is there no political advantage to be had in saving Afgan children from a water grave?

You posted that back in March, funny how easy it was for Labor to fix it, makes a bit of a joke out of Labors position, doesn't it.:xyxthumbs

Maybe as you said there was no political advantage for Labor, back then.:D
 
I wonder why, if everything can be fixed in a month, wasn't it done before?

It is surprising, when all it takes is to grease a few palms, and this is something that Labor is good at. Gillard governed for three years just by bribing Windsor and Oakeshott. How come she didn't realise she had the solution to the boats issue? It would have saved her job. It will probably cost us less than pink batts.:rolleyes:
 
It is surprising, when all it takes is to grease a few palms, and this is something that Labor is good at. Gillard governed for three years just by bribing Windsor and Oakeshott. How come she didn't realise she had the solution to the boats issue? It would have saved her job. It will probably cost us less than pink batts.:rolleyes:

Obviously they were happy with the immigration, as it was.:xyxthumbs

Who knows what the underlying drivers are.:confused:
 
This is possibly in reaction to Rudd's announcement:

RIOTING Iranians on Nauru have taken detention staff hostage in what may be a violent response to Kevin Rudd's PNG asylum seeker solution.

A Nauruan MP took to state television to call for big, strong men to head to the processing camp as Nauruan riot police were overwhelmed by the the number of rioting asylum seekers.

About 300 Nauruans responded to their leaders' call and are preparing to confront the protesting Iranians.

Three interpreters and three medical staff were held for an hour before being released but it was unclear if they had been injured.

Read more:
http://www.news.com.au/national-new...n/story-fncynjr2-1226681915951#/ixzz2ZUFvfro5



And further down the page of that article I found this (bold is mine) - surely the debt levels will be going into overdrive:

Australia will half fund university reforms in Papua New Guinea, the redevelopment of a hospital in Lae and its ongoing costs, and law and order initiatives as well as all resettlement costs for refugees as part of Kevin Rudd's new asylum boat solution .

The sweeteners are expected to cost billions, but the camp at Manus Island is a boatload away from being full and the Defence Force will send personnel to the island next week to help boost capacity.
 
Just out of interest, is their anything stopping an Australian citizen setting up a company in Indonesia that tows back stricken asylum vessels back into Indonesian ports?
 
Just out of interest, is their anything stopping an Australian citizen setting up a company in Indonesia that tows back stricken asylum vessels back into Indonesian ports?

Yes the passengers on the stricken boat, the crew of the stricken boat and probably the Indonesian government.
 

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And at 100 arrivals per day it will be filled in 30 days... Then what?

I purpose Rudd will hope voters will gasp in awe at his grandiose plan and not think about what will happen to the thousands more after Manus Is is at capacity.
This, of course, has now been made redundant in the face of the policy announced today. So clever of him.

Rudd appears to have neutralised Abbott's "a great big tax" and "turn back the boats". An early election looms.

After PNG, Iran and Afghanistan will look like paradise.:D
Exactly. No one is going to want to spend the rest of their life on PNG It's a stroke of brilliance on Rudd's part, I have to admit.

Rudd is only dreaming and probably a wet one at that.

Settle them in PNG !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Rudd has got rocks in his head. He spent 23 hours in the country and thinks it is paradise.
I don't think he thinks any such thing. He will be only too aware that it's one of the most awful places ever, not just physically but in terms of lack of basic law and order, political chicanery etc. He has almost certainly negotiated this deal with PNG with precisely that in mind, i.e. no one in their right mind would be keen to be sent to PNG even temporarily, let alone permanently settled there.
Why would you think he'd be looking for a place to send asylum seekers that would make them happy?
He's looking for a deterrent, not a further encouragement.

After travelling throughout PNG for 18 years 2 and 3 times a year, I would be happy to elaborate on the conditions there and I can tell you it will not be conducive to mid Eastern refugees.
Exactly. And that is why he has cleverly chosen it.

All that will do is encourage a new people smuggling racket from PNG to the Thusrday Islands which is a lot closer from Indonesia to Christmas Island.
They would gain nothing by so doing. It has been made entirely clear that any boat arrivals from today have no chance of being settled in Australia, this being the obvious purpose of all the asylum seekers.

You can also bet your boots Rudd has dangled a big carrot in front of O'Neill and O'Neill is being sucked in with his spin and rhetoric.
And from their point of view, why not? They get money to pursue their own needs, plus Australia stands for the entire cost of building and manning the proposed new detention centre, which will probably also provide employment for PNG people. What's not to like about that?

Rudd has not excercised a great deal of research on his hare brain scheme and is just another stupid policy on the run.
I don't agree. I think he has given this careful thought and has come up with a winning strategy if he can just manage to implement it successfully.

Surely the problems with PNG are a feature and not a bug with this proposed policy? If they were being sent to Canada they would keep coming. If they are being sent to a poor, corrupt, third world country they might as well stay where they are.
And that is exactly the purpose of Rudd's proposition. Makes great sense and will probably tip the final balance his way.

He has been very clever indeed in pulling the rug out from Mr Abbott on both the carbon tax and now how to stop the boats.
 
It is going to be interesting to see how the Labor left see these moves by Rudd.:D

It appears Rudd is selling Labors principles for political gain. Cameron and the unions will be gagging.:D

Rudd is trying to position Labor as 'Liberal lite', that in itself leaves a vacuum for the Greens to fill.:xyxthumbs
 
It appears Rudd is selling Labors principles for political gain. Cameron and the unions will be gagging.:D
What principles are those ? ;)

Labor has prostituted its principles to such a point that they are long since worn out.

Even Craig Thomson's former HSU credit card is in a far better state that what's left of Labor's torn and tattered principles.
 
Exactly sptrawler.

The public would be seeing right through him now, and all before the election, and he wants to make sure they cant throw him out.
No worries......
 
What principles are those ? ;)

Labor has prostituted its principles to such a point that they are long since worn out.

Even Craig Thomson's former HSU credit card is in a far better state that what's left of Labor's torn and tattered principles.

It is just Kev playing 'the ends justifies the means' politics.
But I can't see Labor die hards being very happy with it. Kev is taking them back to the future and they didn't like it the first time round.:D

They will be wondering now why they got rid of Gillard.
Instead they are all pulling on fishnets, lipstick and getting out there for votes.lol
 
More on the riot from the ABC,

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-07-...turbance-at-detention-centre-on-nauru/4832268

Could all this destabilise PNG politically ?

Their government may well be left thinking that it would have been better to take a leaf out of Tony Abbott's book when it comes to crawling into bed with Labor on asylum policy before this is through.
 
More on the riot from the ABC,

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-07-...turbance-at-detention-centre-on-nauru/4832268

Could all this destabilise PNG politically ?

Their government may well be left thinking that it would have been better to take a leaf out of Tony Abbott's book when it comes to crawling into bed with Labor on asylum policy before this is through.

Yes, if they have agreed to take asylum seekers carte blanche, 45,000 would sort them out.lol

Then PNG will be used as a stepping stone for Australian asylum, but it doesn't include a dangerous ocean voyage.

It is just another policy on the run, headline grabbing prank, he's a dick.

Much better to just stop the people leaving their homelands.
 
And that is exactly the purpose of Rudd's proposition. Makes great sense and will probably tip the final balance his way.

He has been very clever indeed in pulling the rug out from Mr Abbott on both the carbon tax and now how to stop the boats.

I was a little shocked. Prime Minister Rudd is a consummate politician.
Mr Abbott will now really be rattled. His favourite saying "Stop the Boats" has now been neutralised.

If Rudd now wins the election he will go down as probably the greatest campaigner Australia has ever produced. Really impressive result after such a short time. His intelligence and drive can't be questioned.

I would however be very nervous about how well he governs over the next term, especially with the talent he has left on the front bench.

It also shows that Gillard really shouldn't have been Prime Minister.
 
It appears Rudd is selling Labors principles for political gain.

I've not read the party manifesto but keeping out low skilled people who could potentially crowd out the hard-working blue collar workers of Australia seems to go to the core of the union/Labour movement, whereas Liberal ideology, in general, supports the free movement of labour across national boundaries, in an effort to discover the most efficient labour rate.
 
Of course, there's JUST NO WAY Kapitan KRudd would ever see this brilliant, new PNG Policy as a totally expedient means to an end (ie - to WIN the election - nothing more, nothing less) then do an amazing backflip sometime shortly AFTER the election if quite possibly (no, make that probably...100%) the :fan

No, he wouldn't dare take us all for chumps, would he..??? He's an honest politician, to be sure.. :confused:
 
Rudd is a manipulative, ruthless, control freak that must win the election, it makes me wonder what was said in that party room when they took him back, that he has backflipped on everything, just prior to the election.

And we all know he is a man of his word -- NOT!!!
That party is still toxic.
 
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