Asylum immigrants - Green Light

[Julia]

Actually Bowen is probably the only Labor person I think is genuine. He appears to be trying to present a honest dialogue, whenever he is interviewed.

I also think he's competent and if he were in a leadership position in Labor, rather than being obliged to follow the party line, he'd be capable of getting them back onto a sensible track. Bring back Lindsay Tanner to work with him.

From the article below " The man says he made up to $40,000 per boat he smuggled but he has now stopped organising boat departures and instead handles the money transfers."
Boy am I in the wrong business !!

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-07-...ent-policies-wont-halt-asylum-seekers/4829144

I had to laugh listening to that yesterday. The ABC were breathlessly thrilled about having finally captured a people smuggler's views on tape. For people who can't be bothered listening to it, the main focus of the reporting was that the smuggler said none of the currently proposed measures by either side of politics here would stop the boats, the incentive to escape 'murder and persecution 'or other similar miseries, were just too great.

It didn't seem to occur to the triumphant ABC that the person has a high stake in the continuing success of their operations and that he is pretty obviously going to say whatever preserves his position.

If a few more boats sank I doubt the enthusiasm to keep trying would be unaffected.

 

[Calliope]

Rudd has the situation in hand. The threat of resettlement in PNG will stop the boats in their tracks. No welfare in PNG.
And now Indonesia is going to refuse transit visas to Iranians. Krudd rules.

http://www.news.com.au/breaking-new...d-in-third-world/story-e6frfku9-1226681741330

 

[sails]

Rudd has the situation in hand. The threat of resettlement in PNG will stop the boats in their tracks. No welfare in PNG.
And now Indonesia is going to refuse transit visas to Iranians. Krudd rules.

http://www.news.com.au/breaking-new...d-in-third-world/story-e6frfku9-1226681741330

Labor's previous attempts at off-shore processing didnt seem to work too well. I wonder what they will do when this one is full?

Or is just more desperate smoke and mirrors with the election imminent now?

 

[sptrawler]

If this article is accurate, it is starting to look like policy on the run again. I wonder what this will end up costing us?

http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/-/newshome/18061108/asylum-boat-nears-dampier-platform/

An extract: My Bolds

Papua New Guinea plan


Papua New Guinea will become the primary refugee processing hub for the region with an increased capacity to accommodate 3000 asylum seekers under a plan expected to be announced today.

Manus Island MP Ronnie Knight said he was informed of the plan by PNG Prime Minister Peter O’Neill this morning.

“Yes, the PM informed me today,” Mr Knight said.

“There is currently capacity for 600, but the PM will announce this to be expanded to 3000, and Manus to be the primary regional centre for the whole of the Pacific.”Speculation of an expanded processing centre regime in PNG has been rife since Australian Prime Minister Kevin Rudd made a lightning 21-hour visit to Port Moresby earlier in the week.

Last night, Mr O’Neill’s staff denied he was was flying to Brisbane on Friday to meet with Mr Rudd.

However, the PNG consulate in Brisbane said today Mr O’Neill is expected to land there around 4pm Perth time, where he will meet Mr Rudd.

Mr Knight said he was happy with the plan, but there needed to be changes to the way the program is run.

“My terms are I want the Royal Australian Navy to take over Lombrum Naval Base and protect my waters from illegal fishing.

“I also want the Momote airport expanded and made international.”

He said he also wanted locals employed in security roles, “not like now where G4S is flying in mainlanders.

“This is not going down well with locals,” he said.

There are currently 215 asylum seekers housed on Manus’ Lombrum naval base.

Since November, they have been housed in tents in conditions that have been heavily criticised by the United Nations refugee agency and rights groups.

Two weeks ago, a PNG court dismissed a constitutional challenge brought by the opposition against the Manus Island detention centre.

 

[Calliope]

Or is just more desperate smoke and mirrors with the election imminent now?

Of course, but as PM he can appear to be doing something. He can make deals with Indonesian and PNG leaders, whereas Abbott and Morrison have been reduced to repetitive slogans. I have little doubt that if Rudd can sell the idea that he has the boat issue in hand, he will call an early election, but he will only call it if he thinks it is winnable.

Australia's future Governance hangs in the balance on the boat issue.

 

[Julia]

Of course, but as PM he can appear to be doing something. He can make deals with Indonesian and PNG leaders, whereas Abbott and Morrison have been reduced to repetitive slogans. I have little doubt that if Rudd can sell the idea that he has the boat issue in hand, he will call an early election, but he will only call it if he thinks it is winnable.

But can he sell the idea on the basis of just 3000 places in a detention centre that is not yet even on the drawing board? How long will it take to build? What happens in the meantime? Haven't there been around 25,000 arrivals in the last year?
I can't see the electorate finding an as yet thought bubble of 3000 detention places terribly convincing.

The winners here are Indonesia and PNG, who must be laughing with great pleasure about how they can dictate to Australia.

And if Rudd announces that he will organise globally for changes to the Refugee Convention, I don't think too many people are silly enough to believe that he can just rock (maybe zip?) over to NY, dictate his preferred changes to a secretary, and the members of the UN (many of whom represent disadvantaged countries who would be horrified at any change to the status quo) will just smile gratefully and wave it through.

 

[sails]

But can he sell the idea on the basis of just 3000 places in a detention centre that is not yet even on the drawing board? How long will it take to build? What happens in the meantime? Haven't there been around 25,000 arrivals in the last year?
I can't see the electorate finding an as yet thought bubble of 3000 detention places terribly convincing.

The winners here are Indonesia and PNG, who must be laughing with great pleasure about how they can dictate to Australia.

And if Rudd announces that he will organise globally for changes to the Refugee Convention, I don't think too many people are silly enough to believe that he can just rock (maybe zip?) over to NY, dictate his preferred changes to a secretary, and the members of the UN (many of whom represent disadvantaged countries who would be horrified at any change to the status quo) will just smile gratefully and wave it through.

And at 100 arrivals per day it will be filled in 30 days... Then what?

I purpose Rudd will hope voters will gasp in awe at his grandiose plan and not think about what will happen to the thousands more after Manus Is is at capacity.

 

[basilio]

Kevin Rudd has just announced that no new boat arrivals will be settled in Australia. They will be settled in New Guinea. Be interesting to see how the Greens and much of the Labour Party receive this piece of news.

Kevin Rudd to send asylum seekers on boats to Papua New Guinea

Date
July 19, 2013 - 4:55PM


Rudd's asylum pitch

LIVE COVERAGE: Kevin Rudd announces the government's proposed asylum policy reforms in Brisbane. Live analysis from the Canberra press gallery.


Any asylum seeker who arrives by boat without a visa will have no chance of being resettled in Australia as a refugee, Prime Minister Kevin Rudd has announced.

Mr Rudd declared his much-anticipated asylum seeker policy, with the major change being a new resettlement arrangement between Australia and Papua New Guinea.

At a Brisbane press conference, flanked by Papua New Guinea's Prime Minister Peter O'Neill and Immigration Minister Tony Burke, Mr Rudd declared he would "combat the scourge of people smuggling".

''Today we're announcing a new resettlement arrangement between Australia and Papua New Guinea. I understand this is a very hard-line decision,'' Mr Rudd said.
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In the strongest line a modern Labor prime minister has taken against people smugglers, Mr Rudd said: ''As of today asylum seekers who come here by boat without a visa will never be settled in Australia.''

Under the new arrangement signed with PNG – the Regional Settlement Arrangement - unauthorised arrivals will be sent to PNG for assessment and if found to be a refugee will be settled there.

Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/federal-po...-new-guinea-20130719-2q9fa.html#ixzz2ZTN5gFDQ


Calliope you are dead right.. If implemented this will stop people smuggling dead in their tracks.

 

[Calliope]

Calliope you are dead right.. If implemented this will stop people smuggling dead in their tracks.

Rudd appears to have neutralised Abbott's "a great big tax" and "turn back the boats". An early election looms.

After PNG, Iran and Afghanistan will look like paradise.

 

[banco]

But can he sell the idea on the basis of just 3000 places in a detention centre that is not yet even on the drawing board? How long will it take to build? What happens in the meantime? Haven't there been around 25,000 arrivals in the last year?
I can't see the electorate finding an as yet thought bubble of 3000 detention places terribly convincing.

The winners here are Indonesia and PNG, who must be laughing with great pleasure about how they can dictate to Australia.

And if Rudd announces that he will organise globally for changes to the Refugee Convention, I don't think too many people are silly enough to believe that he can just rock (maybe zip?) over to NY, dictate his preferred changes to a secretary, and the members of the UN (many of whom represent disadvantaged countries who would be horrified at any change to the status quo) will just smile gratefully and wave it through.

Before with offshore processing you might go to Nauru or somewhere and then come to Australia after a couple of years. If best case scenario you are determined to be a refugee you get to resettle in a ****hole like PNG you'd think very carefully about getting on the boat. You might never fill up the detention center in PNG such will be the deterrent.

 

[noco]

Rudd appears to have neutralised Abbott's "a great big tax" and "turn back the boats". An early election looms.

After PNG, Iran and Afghanistan will look like paradise.

Rudd is only dreaming and probably a wet one at that.

Settle them in PNG !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Rudd has got rocks in his head. He spent 23 hours in the country and thinks it is paradise. After travelling throughout PNG for 18 years 2 and 3 times a year, I would be happy to elaborate on the conditions there and I can tell you it will not be conducive to mid Eastern refugees.

All that will do is encourage a new people smuggling racket from PNG to the Thusrday Islands which is a lot closer from Indonesia to Christmas Island.

You can also bet your boots Rudd has dangled a big carrot in front of O'Neill and O'Neill is being sucked in with his spin and rhetoric.

Rudd has not excercised a great deal of research on his hare brain scheme and is just another stupid policy on the run.

But then again, it looks like he is doing something which the naive will fall for it over and over again.

 

[sptrawler]

And at 100 arrivals per day it will be filled in 30 days... Then what?

I purpose Rudd will hope voters will gasp in awe at his grandiose plan and not think about what will happen to the thousands more after Manus Is is at capacity.

If as the article says, the catchment area is the Pacific Ocean, it will fill in no time.

 

[sails]

From the Age by David Flitton:

By the numbers, shifting the asylum seeker problem to Papua New Guinea simply fails to add up.

The nation already has a substantial headache with refugees – about 9000 people have fled across the border from Indonesian West Papua and remain, in the cold parlance of the United Nations, ''in need of durable solutions''.

Currently, national legislation does not provide an adequate framework to deal with asylum-seekers and refugees in PNG

and

The UN concluded in its most recent periodic review, ''Currently, national legislation does not provide an adequate framework to deal with asylum-seekers and refugees in PNG.''

Kevin Rudd has decided otherwise.

Read full article: Numbers don't lie: PNG solution flawed

 

[banco]

Surely the problems with PNG are a feature and not a bug with this proposed policy? If they were being sent to Canada they would keep coming. If they are being sent to a poor, corrupt, third world country they might as well stay where they are.

 

[sptrawler]

Surely the problems with PNG are a feature and not a bug with this proposed policy? If they were being sent to Canada they would keep coming. If they are being sent to a poor, corrupt, third world country they might as well stay where they are.

I wonder when this will be challenged by the lawyers?

 

[noco]

From the Age by David Flitton:



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Read full article: Numbers don't lie: PNG solution flawed

Well that says it all Sails on what I would have elaborated on from experience within PNG.

 

[medicowallet]

Oh I await for the arthritis in the thumbs of those idealistic teens who will tweet "Rudd the racist, insensitive, cruel immoral" on Q&A next week.

Or am I dreaming?

lol

MW

 

[Calliope]

You can also bet your boots Rudd has dangled a big carrot in front of O'Neill and O'Neill is being sucked in with his spin and rhetoric. .

I think that the only reasonable solution to the boats issue was to buy the Indonesian or PNG governments. It will take big bucks but that won't worry Ruddy. The Cargo Cult is still very strong in PNG. It is a bit of a worry that when the people smugglers relocate to PNG, that they might start smuggling the locals in too. However that's down the track.

 

[So_Cynical]

If Kev was confident, he would have already called a date. Even he isn't sure his BS can cut it.

Perhaps (like Paul so many years ago) he wants to do Tony slowly.
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[Calliope]

Oh I await for the arthritis in the thumbs of those idealistic teens who will tweet "Rudd the racist, insensitive, cruel immoral" on Q&A next week.

Or am I dreaming?

lol

MW

Milne is screaming. But there is one thing Rudd has learned (and Gillard too late), is that if the Greens are for it...it must be bad, and if they are agin it ...it must be good for the rest of us.