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Julia said:
Nauru knows that it has the Australian government over a barrel. They can demand whatever they like now.
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Well Julia, in fairness to the Labor Party, I can't believe Nauru had not raised that issue before accepting the asylum seekers deal.

Surely there would have been certain conditions agreed to in writing before accepting Australia's proposal. I find it a bit rude on behalf of the Nauran government to be demanding such a payment after the deal was made.

But there again as Doc states, Labor never seem to get it right.

Sounds like Nauru are money hungry.
 
noco said:
Well Julia, in fairness to the Labor Party, I can't believe Nauru had not raised that issue before accepting the asylum seekers deal.

Surely there would have been certain conditions agreed to in writing before accepting Australia's proposal. I find it a bit rude on behalf of the Nauran government to be demanding such a payment after the deal was made.

But there again as Doc states, Labor never seem to get it right.

Sounds like Nauru are money hungry.
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Money hungry? It was understood by everyone that Narau was only offering to take the refugees in return for cash.
 
drsmith said:
and Labor is lurching towards the panic button.

http://www.radioaustralia.net.au/in...o-remove-mainland-from-migration-zone/1038428
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From the above link, Labor's hypocrisy reaches new levels:

Immigration Minister Chris Bowen plans to introduce the legislation tomorrow, having discussed the move with caucus colleagues this morning.

In 2006 as an opposition MP, Mr Bowen described the Howard government's plan as a "hypocritical and illogical bill" with no redeeming features.

"If it is passed today, it will be a stain on our national character," Mr Bowen said then.

"The people who will be disadvantaged by this bill are in fear of their lives and we should never turn our back on them."

Mr Bowen said at the time that if the legislation was passed, an incoming Labor government would repeal it
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A government dying of shame comes to mind.
 
Here's with Mr Bowen with his new formulation on ABC news radio this morning.

Let me make a couple of points, Marius. Firstly, I’ve changed my mind and this is a change in the Labor Party position, that’s very clear, based on the evidence, based on trying to save people’s lives.

If I have a choice between saving somebody’s life and being entirely consistent with something I said in 2006, well, I’ll go for saving the life, thanks very much.
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What about the cost of your party's folly in both money and lives Mr Bowen ?

This is Labor's shame. Beyond the spoils of office, it doesn't care.

http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/polit...tober-31-2012-20121031-28ind.html?reload=true
 
Labor's problem,

More than 5700 asylum seekers have now arrived since August 13, the cut-off date from when the government has warned people could be sent for offshore processing.

That compares with 4300 over the same period before the cut-off - with the difference alone going close to filling the quota for asylum seekers on Nauru.
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http://www.watoday.com.au/opinion/p...ise-since-offshore-policy-20121030-28hqh.html

and to help pay for this mess, Labor is resorting, by stealth, to raiding lost bank accounts.

11.47am: Interesting little story developing.

When Mr Hockey complained about government on the run this morning (see our brief post at 10.10am) he was speaking to one of the savings measures from the recent mid year economic forecasts - a measure allowing the Australian Taxation Office to hoover up lost super accounts.

The relevant legislation hit the House in the conveyor belt of government bills this morning.

Mr Hockey raised some issues with the measure - that it not only hoovered up lost super accounts, it also scooped up lost bank and insurance accounts.

The Greens have raised an eyebrow, and are wanting an inquiry.

Independent Rob Oakeshott also raised an eyebrow after Mr Hockey's contribution.

Interesting to see how it plays out. It's a significant measure, worth about $500 million to the government in the surplus year 2012-13.
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http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/polit...tober-31-2012-20121031-28ind.html?reload=true

Mu bolds.
 
noco said:
Doc, the media have gone very quiet on the arrivals but were quick with news on the 170 on a hunger strike on Nauru.
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It would seem that as the boats have become that frequent, an individual boat arrival is not in itself as newsworthy as it was.

Part of it at least would be would be business considerations I imagine. Once something becomes routine, it's less likely to sell newspapers or online subscriptions.
 
drsmith said:
Part of it at least would be would be business considerations I imagine. Once something becomes routine, it's less likely to sell newspapers or online subscriptions.
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Also just a sense amongst most people, I think, of exhaustion and helplessness on the topic.
We all know the government has completely and utterly stuffed up and has no idea how to get out of their own mess. The boats will continue arriving until there is a change of government and something is actually done to change the situation.
 
Julia said:
The boats will continue arriving until there is a change of government and something is actually done to change the situation.
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I'm not confident that anything can be done to stop them arriving now. Although Labor broke a working system, I think a changing world might have caused it to fail by now anyway.

I really can't see the Indonesians agreeing to a turn back the boats policy, and if the government of the day ignores this and there is an incident or tragedy ....

Is this what you think needs to be done, Julia, or are you thinking of another way that the situation could be changed?
 
Ferret said:
I'm not confident that anything can be done to stop them arriving now. Although Labor broke a working system, I think a changing world might have caused it to fail by now anyway.
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You might be right. But the government has really not created much of a disincentive. They are only slowly and reluctantly implementing the Houston recommendations and won't adopt e.g. TPV's.

I really can't see the Indonesians agreeing to a turn back the boats policy, and if the government of the day ignores this and there is an incident or tragedy ....
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We can't blame the Indonesians. They have too many asylum seekers to deal with. It would have to be in their interests if as many as possible hop on a boat and head for Australia.

Is this what you think needs to be done, Julia, or are you thinking of another way that the situation could be changed?
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I don't know, Ferret. But Mr Abbott's longer term political survival depends on him being able to do what he has said he can do. He has rubbished the government for failing, continually claiming the Coalition will 'stop the boats'. If this turns out to be just another stupid slogan, he won't last long.

If it were me (and I'm very glad it's not) I'd be putting the main focus on being prepared to fund processing centres in Indonesia.
 

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