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drsmith said:
The problem with that point of view is it's the taxes of Australian citizens that you want to share and our lifestyle that you wish to compromise to satisfy your soft heart.
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How does it compromise our lifestyle?

The point is that what is happening now isn't working for anyone, be they tax payers or asylum seekers. There will always be asylum seekers and as a signatory to the Convention Relating to the Status of Refugees, Australia has a responsibility to them. This will have a cost and will result in some asylum seekers being granted the right to remain in Australia.

Processing them excessively slowly costs more in the long run and requires more infrastructure to house them in the meantime. All I’m saying is they should be processed quickly, fairly and transparently and there should be a better means of entry into Australia for genuine asylum seekers that doesn’t involve risking their life excessively and that doesn’t involve expensive naval operations. Hopefully then you can stem the flow of boats, save money and be fairer to genuine asylum seekers.
 
doctorj said:
All I’m saying is they should be processed quickly, fairly and transparently and there should be a better means of entry into Australia for genuine asylum seekers that doesn’t involve risking their life excessively and that doesn’t involve expensive naval operations. Hopefully then you can stem the flow of boats, save money and be fairer to genuine asylum seekers.
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Return immediately to the country of origin any asylum seeker that comes by boat or otherwise via the services of a people smuggler and let them use the proper processes that are allready in place.
 
drsmith said:
Return immediately to the country of origin any asylum seeker that comes by boat or otherwise via the services of a people smuggler and let them use the proper processes that are allready in place.
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If they are a genuine asylum seeker, then they are often running from persecution or other forms of peril that don't offer them the luxury of hanging around for lengthy, bureaucratic and under resourced procedures. They want to get away from whatever peril they face quickly.

Not all asylum seekers are genuine, which is why there needs to be a process in place. But for those that are genuine, then there’s often a damn good reason they’re running and I doubt even the most steadfast opponents would want to see those people’s lives placed in danger.
 
doctorj said:
The point is that what is happening now isn't working for anyone, be they tax payers or asylum seekers.
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Correct. Because the Labor government dismantled a system that was working.

Processing them excessively slowly costs more in the long run and requires more infrastructure to house them in the meantime. All I’m saying is they should be processed quickly, fairly and transparently and there should be a better means of entry into Australia for genuine asylum seekers that doesn’t involve risking their life excessively and that doesn’t involve expensive naval operations.
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What you are ignoring is that the Department of Immigration (especially in these cost cutting times) can only process so many people in any given time. Accordingly, the processing of these boat arrivals means that those who have been patiently waiting for years in UNHCR camps - including those who have enormous need for refuge but lack the funds to pay the people smugglers - are pushed further back down the list.

If you think that's fair, I'm glad you're not running the country.
 
Julia said:
What you are ignoring is that the Department of Immigration (especially in these cost cutting times) can only process so many people in any given time.
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Sure, but then the process needs looking at. You can’t escape the fact that these are real people, some (many? I don’t know) of which have genuine reasons to do what they’ve done. Some compassion would not go astray.

Julia said:
Accordingly, the processing of these boat arrivals means that those who have been patiently waiting for years in UNHCR camps - including those who have enormous need for refuge but lack the funds to pay the people smugglers - are pushed further back down the list.

If you think that's fair, I'm glad you're not running the country.
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The people in the UNHCR camps are also a problem, I agree. But I don’t think it’s right to talk about fairness when the only response to a problem that is both urgent and serious is one that takes years.
 
doctorj said:
If they are a genuine asylum seeker, then they are often running from persecution or other forms of peril that don't offer them the luxury of hanging around for lengthy, bureaucratic and under resourced procedures. They want to get away from whatever peril they face quickly.

Not all asylum seekers are genuine, which is why there needs to be a process in place. But for those that are genuine, then there’s often a damn good reason they’re running and I doubt even the most steadfast opponents would want to see those people’s lives placed in danger.
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I didn't think we'd agree. ;)
 
This is surely one boat that should not be allowed into Australia - and how many other criminals and violent people have already arrived and being kept at our expense?

These people are not fleeing violence - more likely they are wanting to bring it with them (bold is mine):

ARREST warrants on charges of attempted murder and robbery have been issued for 14 asylum seekers on a pirated fishing boat which is thought to be headed for Australia.

Sri Lankan police have also called in Interpol in the hunt for the group that bound the hands of crew, cut one man's throat and then tossed at least two deckhands into the sea south of Sri Lanka.
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Read more:
Warrant issued to arrest asylum pirates
 
sails said:
This is surely one boat that should not be allowed into Australia - and how many other criminals and violent people have already arrived and being kept at our expense?

These people are not fleeing violence - more likely they are wanting to bring it with them (bold is mine):



Read more:
Warrant issued to arrest asylum pirates
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All this will be when they land in Australia is:-

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So, we can send them back.

Fourteen asylum seekers who allegedly hijacked a ship off the Sri Lankan coast in a bid to reach Australia have been found and sent home, the Department of Immigration says.
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And from our territory.

Fourteen of them were returned to Sri Lanka from the Cocos Islands on a charter flight on Saturday afternoon.
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http://www.skynews.com.au/national/article.aspx?id=810139

It will be interesting to see what the opposition makes of this.
 
Nauru knows that it has the Australian government over a barrel. They can demand whatever they like now.
 

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