Asylum immigrants - Green Light

[StumpyPhantom]

Errr happen in the WA parliament last week and there is no calls for an election by the opposition I have never heard of this before except when it comes to bills on supply.

This is the constitutional move from light to shade, from written to unwritten. See the link below:

http://australianpolitics.com/conventions

2.The Westminster system requires that the ministry must command the support – “confidence” – of the lower house, the House of Representatives. This convention is reinforced by the requirement of Section 53 that all appropriation bills must originate in the House of Representatives. Without the ability to secure “supply” from the House of Representatives, a ministry is obliged to resign or call an election. This last occurred in 1941 when the House of Representatives voted to reduce the size of the government’s budget by one pound. The then Prime Minister, Arthur Fadden, resigned and the ALP’s John Curtin was commissioned to form a government.

So the Australian Constitution has the written code about 'supply', but it is the underlying 'confidence' issue which attaches to every other failed bill which is the unwritten convention.

But the siliest thing about all this of course is that a 'convention' requires one to act honourably and resign of one's own volition. Yeah right!

Or the Governor-General has to step in and use her reserve powers to sack you.
Yeah right!

 

[Julia]

Oh Julia - he plays soccer for Sydney United

I think you mean football (AFL) - where he finished with the Western Bulldogs - the PMs beloved team.

Thank you both for enlightening me. I'm happy to remain ignorant when it comes to any version of this activity.

Gillard is up to no good with this panel of so called experts and she may well have a lot of influence to get an outcome to suit herself.

It's like the cliche which suggests one should never ask a question without first knowing the answer.
She has put together this trio, knowing they will deliver her the result she wants.
How utterly transparent she is.

She has manipulated the Thomson saga, the Slipper case, the carbon dioxide tax, the independants, KRudd, Harry Jenkins ( ex speaker), the tent embassy saga, the AWU rort involving Wilson and now the asylum seekers.

True. However, we are yet to be assured the Libs have not got dirty hands via Mal Brough's actions in the Slipper affair. I so hope that turns out not to be the case. Have always had a lot of time for Mr Brough.

 

[Julia]

Goodness, that's a pretty hard hitting video. The outrage against the government seems to be growing by the day.

 

[drsmith]

Goodness, that's a pretty hard hitting video. The outrage against the government seems to be growing by the day.

The author(s) is(are) not a fan of the current government to say the least.

https://www.aussiestockforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25027&p=715370&viewfull=1#post715370

Some of them are very simply very good at getting the point across.

 

[sails]

I stumbled across this tonight and found it very disturbing. Written by a user "True Muslim" from Ryde, Australia.

yes we need muslim refugees, australia is a tasteless, cultureless and white stale milk s***hole which muslim cultural diversity will change forever, and we will start with stoning politicians and women of course, especially women who don’t hide their faces in shame of being muslim and belonging to Islam, we will stone them daily as we do in our holy lands and make australia a brotherhood and as holy like our wonderful Arab spring we enjoy in the east, not Sodom and Gomorrah debauchery s*** hole it is today. So keep up the push to further the cause of our holy righteous ways and end this ridiculous campaign to stop us entering this land we pilgrims come with a purpose, to further the cause of Islam etched in Aussie blood. We need a brotherhood in australia women are useless and should hide their faces and cower in shame, tremble in the presence of men and humble themselves to our needs and demands as well as keep the house clean, do the washing and keep their pussies clean so they don’t smell like other muslim women who never take off their full body covers, not even to wash, they should be stoned when we can identify them from all the other faceless women in Islam

http://www.topix.com/world/australi...eminent-panel-on-boats-policy-a-waste-of-time

 

[drsmith]

Andrew Bolt points out the blatent hypocrisy of Andrew Wilkie.

http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/...s/wilkie_was_against_it_before_he_was_for_it/

Then of course, there was pokies.

 

[Calliope]

It should be obvious to even Blind Freddy that there is no solution to the Boat Problem. If the three Wise men have any integrity they will tell Julia that while Australia is an attractive destination the boats will keep coming and coming and coming.

The only answer is to make it an unattractive haven for opportunist queue jumpers. All the weeping and wailing and gnashing of teeth in Parliament assures us that this will not happen. Ergo we cannot decide who comes to this country and how they come! That will be decided in Afghanistan, Iran, Iraq, Sri Lanka, Pakistan, Indonesia and Malaysia, all Muslim countries except Sri Lanka the source of Tamil Tiger remnants.

When parliament resumes Julia will have to come clean and tell us to lump it.:bowdown:

 

[drsmith]

Alexander Downer also made the following point on Andrew Bolt's show this morning although he referred to Julia Gillards own words about the state of the current parliament.

 

[dutchie]

The person who is currently the leader of the Labor party should be begging the LNP to let them go back to the system that worked before they dismantled it in 2007.

She and Rudd are both responsible for not having a policy, for the cause of the current problem and for the loss of life.

 

[johenmo]

It should be obvious to even Blind Freddy that...while Australia is an attractive destination the boats will keep coming and coming and coming.

Don't always agree with your posts but this sums it up. If one is desperate and can find a way to "jump the queue" then one will try it. I don't blame them for that - I would do it too. Especially if I had a dodgy past.

 

[Julia]

Alexander Downer also made the following point on Andrew Bolt's show this morning although he referred to Julia Gillards own words about the state of the current parliament.

Wow! That's putting it plainly. Really well done and an indication of the level of anger out there.

 

[Calliope]

The person who is currently the leader of the Labor party should be begging the LNP to let them go back to the system that worked before they dismantled it in 2007.

She and Rudd are both responsible for not having a policy, for the cause of the current problem and for the loss of life.

The only policies that Labor and the Coalition have is to try to deter them without upsetting them. It doesn't work. It's been tried with fruit bats. Either we get tough or we give up.

 

[drsmith]

Wow! That's putting it plainly. Really well done and an indication of the level of anger out there.

This one too is rather cutting.


Today's effort.

 

[drsmith]

The Government and Opposition could be in agreement on offshore processing in 5-seconds if Julia Gillard's expert asylum-seeker panel comes to the party,

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...panel-advises-pm/story-fn9hm1gu-1226413480558

 

[Knobby22]

Anyone watch Insiders?
It appears that the Libs aren't that confident that their plan will work very well so even if they get Labor agreement, they are going to trot out Labor incompetance as the reason it fails. Interesting times. Worth a watch on iview to see a detailed discussion on this issue.

Greens come out very badly. I agree with a statement made on the show that Adam Bandt will now have no hope in retaining his seat as the assumption that it was green voters who voted him in is wrong. It was people sending a protest vote on both the Labor and Lib parties (this also helped the independants). This was why I voted him last election in that seat, as a protest, he has not a hope in hell in getting a vote from me now.

 

[drsmith]

they are going to trot out Labor incompetance as the reason it fails.

There's something of a track record there.

This was why I voted him last election in that seat, as a protest,

From frying pan into the fire.

 

[dutchie]

I think I can trump Gillard's "experts". I have a group of even wiser experts. Its called the electorate.

They have already made their decision - bring back Howard's Pacific Solution.

The committee has had years of experience and is free of charge to the Australian taxpayer.

(This committee also has expertise in the Carbon Tax issue and has made their decision to get rid of it.)

But Gillard refuses to listen to this committee because its not what she wants to hear but she will one day soon and she will get a big headache!

 

[Julia]

The Government and Opposition could be in agreement on offshore processing in 5-seconds if Julia Gillard's expert asylum-seeker panel comes to the party,

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...panel-advises-pm/story-fn9hm1gu-1226413480558

That's a misleading headline to the article which actually says:

PRIME Minister Julia Gillard says she will take seriously advice from an expert panel

She can perfectly well 'take seriously' the advice offered by her carefully chosen panel, but in the unlikely event they fail to come up with what she expects, she can equally well reject it.
Consider the Henry tax review. They took that 'seriously' and failed to act on it.

Her words mean zilch.

"The Insiders" today was another carefully chosen panel of Labor fans who could be depended upon to make all the expected comments about the carbon tax.
The ABC redeems itself with programs like the Four Corners People Smuggling episode, but then reverts to type with efforts like today which made no pretence at being balanced, especially the contribution from Ms Kelly.

 

[drsmith]

That's a misleading headline to the article which actually says:


She can perfectly well 'take seriously' the advice offered by her carefully chosen panel, but in the unlikely event they fail to come up with what she expects, she can equally well reject it.
Consider the Henry tax review. They took that 'seriously' and failed to act on it.

Her words mean zilch.

"The Insiders" today was another carefully chosen panel of Labor fans who could be depended upon to make all the expected comments about the carbon tax.
The ABC redeems itself with programs like the Four Corners People Smuggling episode, but then reverts to type with efforts like today which made no pretence at being balanced, especially the contribution from Ms Kelly.

My post on that article was a bit tounge in cheek.

She won't back down on Malaysia regardless. The panel is just to buy time and maintain pressure on the Opposition. Her tactic is to either get the Opposition to back down or continue to try and justify the current situation which in terms of increased numbers being accepted, satisfies the Greens.

If the Opposition did back down and it went pear shaped, she can sheet some of the blame on them. This is one reason I suspect why Tony Abbott doesn't want a bar of it.

 

[noco]

My post on that article was a bit tounge in cheek.

She won't back down on Malaysia regardless. The panel is just to buy time and maintain pressure on the Opposition. Her tactic is to either get the Opposition to back down or continue to try and justify the current situation which in terms of increased numbers being accepted, satisfies the Greens.

If the Opposition did back down and it went pear shaped, she can sheet some of the blame on them. This is one reason I suspect why Tony Abbott doesn't want a bar of it.

Yes I agree. The thing that concerns me is, if she did relent and went back to the Pacific solution, she would go out of her way to make it fail in some way or another.

Let the voters decide. Bring on an election.