Asylum immigrants - Green Light

[luutzu]

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In regard to the undesirables coming from you know where, the truth is that very few Australians want ill bred, lazy, uniform wearing, paternalistic, separatist ar53holes coming in to setup exclusion zone ghettos who are so scared of imaginary skyfairies they would rather watch destruction of humanity than lift a finger and voice to rid themselves of the miserable existence they lead. They aren't escaping, they are coming to fertile fields.

Are the Irish coming again?

Dam it, I thought becoming a corporate tax haven would be enough to pay for those alcohol and... and that dance they do.

 

[orr]

If you think our current border protection policies is that rather than keeping our borders secure, what's your alternative to keep our borders secure ?

That the persecution and torment of those detained is done to political effect is not contested...excepting of fools.
Border security with this regard is a ruse that plays well to same demographic.
It's your right to advocate for Australia's withdrawal for the refugee convention... go ahead.
With $1.25 Billion (or enter your figure) to spend on 1500 odd people, I could come up with plenty of alternatives ... and if anyone couldn't for a small fraction of that amount, they are at the back end of the 'bell curve' .

Feel free to answer the two other points raised with the point above... come on Smith what's the UNHCR really up to???

 

[drsmith]

come on Smith what's the UNHCR really up to???

As you've scoured the last few pages for a response on this specific point, you will have noted a contribution from another poster for you to consider. I have also commented on it in this thread in the past if you care to look.

Secondly, if you are unable or perhaps unwilling to see how an asylum seeker swap can't be done through the UNHCR without encouraging illegal people smuggling as accepting boat arrivals would, I can't help. It's pretty obvious.

Thirdly, when talking cost relativities, you can't ignore the cost relativities of the decisions the previous Labor government took.

You have a certain viewpoint and obviously the results of decisions past don't influence that. Don't however expect others to repeatedly go over these points for your amusement.

 

[basilio]

One of the weirder/nastier/ mindless comments made re asylum seekers was Peter Duttons contribution trying to blame refugee advocates for the despair and self immolation of asylum seekers on Manus Island and Nauru.

Worth a read of just how this went down with some of the people who are supporting asylum seekers left to rot in New Guinea.

Refugees don't self-harm because of me, Peter Dutton, they self-harm because of you
Sarah Smith

Refugee advocates work day and night trying to prevent asylum seekers harming themselves – it is our greatest fear. To be blamed for it is devastating

Thursday 5 May 2016 11.11 AEST
Last modified on Thursday 5 May 2016 12.17 AEST


Peter Dutton, what do you do between the hours of midnight and 5am? Do you sleep? If so, I really must ask – how can you?

Dozens of Australians sit up all night, every single night, comforting asylum seekers on Manus Island and Nauru. You don’t have to, therefore the task falls to the advocates.

Let me tell you what this entails, since your statement blaming advocates for suicide attempts – of actually encouraging self-harm – suggests you are clearly unaware.

It is mind-blowingly hot on Manus and Nauru during the day, so our friends there try to sleep. We, safely onshore, sit tensely in the evenings, watching for the little green light that signals people have come online. When someone doesn’t show up, there is a flurry of frantic calls between advocates; when did you last hear from them? What did they say? Are they in danger of self-harm? Who do you know in the same compound? The result of these calls can be anything from relief upon locating our friend, safe and sound, or that which is becoming more common – they’ve harmed themselves and are in International Health and Medical Services, or have been beaten by guards and thrown into solitary confinement.

We cannot sleep, Mr Dutton. We can close our eyes, but the horrors we are witnessing don’t go away. And on the rare occasions we actually do get to sleep, we know there are no guarantees that our loved ones will be unharmed when we wake.

I will never forget the last night I actually slept for eight hours – it was in September last year, and I woke to discover one of my dearest friends on Manus had stabbed himself in the neck.

He apologised over and over again, he knew he’d broken his promise not to hurt himself, but after three years of incarceration, beatings from the guards and locals, as well as untreated medical conditions, the psychological damage means we cannot expect them to always have control over their behaviours.

He has since tried to drown himself, and I live in constant fear of losing him.

http://www.theguardian.com/commenti...me-peter-dutton-they-self-harm-because-of-you

It's tough stuff to read. Perhaps it is easier not think about these people at all?

 

[orr]

As you've scoured the last few pages for a response on this specific point, you will have noted a contribution from another poster for you to consider. I have also commented on it in this thread in the past if you care to look.

I thought the response so bazaar as to not warrant comment, dear Rumpy. IF that agenda was the aim of some in the UNHCR, just how would a compromised, underfunded, with a bureaucratic structural organisation designed 'by committee' go about its implementation of resettling the burgeoning tens of millions under their umbrella. But if imaginary boogey-men are your thing.....

Secondly, if you are unable or perhaps unwilling to see how an asylum seeker swap can't be done through the UNHCR without encouraging illegal people smuggling as accepting boat arrivals would, I can't help. It's pretty obvious.

I like that, directly lifted from the Col Oliver North Iran-Contra affair play book.

Thirdly, when talking cost relativities, you can't ignore the cost relativities of the decisions the previous Labor government took.

The billions happily poured into this debacle to placate the comfortably racist/sadistic element, they're the ones who's amusement comes about psychologically torturing people to madness and self immolation to political advantage, does have a bearing on my concern for the country. For evil to flourish say nothing and think less and read 'Merde-och'.

 

[Tisme]

Be vigilant

NEWS FLASH FROM DARWIN
The Australian Navy intercepted a boatload of people off the coast of Darwin today.

This placed the Navy in a very awkward position, as the boat was not heading to, but away from Australia towards Indonesia.

Another surprise finding was that they were loaded with Aussies who were all seniors of pension age. Their claim was that they were trying to get to Indonesia so as to be able to return to Australia as illegal immigrants and therefore be entitled to far more benefits than they are receiving as legitimate Australian pensioners.

The Navy, it is believed, gave them food, water and fuel and assisted them on their journey.

We are taking bookings on the next boat, so let me know if you want to come.

 

[qldfrog]

For evil to flourish say nothing and think less and read 'Merde-och'.

Or let Muslim fundamentalism gain hold in your country and see how it quickly develops; A visit to European suburbs is highly recommended.
It is not black /white issue: Murdoch being crap does not mean you must swallow all the BS that is thrown by the other "the world is one" side; this is what is missing in this debate: luutzu and others inc.
But it is so much easier to play the educated smartass vs the rabid racists (actually wrong word as most muslim arabs are of white skin) bogans;
trouble is when you wake up, it is too late so in the face of truth and facts, you keep digging in : "I could not have been wrong all these years ...as did/does the left in Europe".It is too late there, not yet in Australia
Anyway, some people still believe there is no clash of civilisation there after 1600y of fighting...

 

[moXJO]

Sweden was mentioned by someone before as to what we should aspire to.
They have Nazi holding marches and the left (I think it's the RF) are stabbing those on opposing sides and destroying houses of those suspected of being right wing. Sure it swings both ways. The right wing groups are strengthening throughout EU.
Luckily Australia has always kept fairly centered. But the more the left pushes the more organized right wing hate groups are getting.


https://youtu.be/U1MYMVfyHi0

Open door policy is creating more problems then it's solving.

 

[drsmith]

The April OSB monthly update shows another month with no successful people smuggling operations by boat.

http://newsroom.border.gov.au/chann...s/releases/monthly-operational-update-april-2

http://newsroom.border.gov.au/chann...n-sovereign-borders-monthly-update-april-2016

12 asylum seekers on a boat which reached the Cocos Islands last week were returned to Sri-Lanka.

 

[moXJO]

The billions happily poured into this debacle to placate the comfortably racist/sadistic element, they're the ones who's amusement comes about psychologically torturing people to madness and self immolation to political advantage, does have a bearing on my concern for the country. For evil to flourish say nothing and think less and read 'Merde-och'.

Do they have an option to go to another country?

 

[noco]

The so called united Labor Party are all over the place with their "TURN BACK THE BOATS" policy....They are split right down the middle and you can bet your boots if there is hung parliament and Labor align themselves with the Greens the pressure will on to open the boarders to people smugglers again.

Even Albanese has defied his fearless leader.

Can you trust Labor......no!!

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/fed...s/news-story/9d8f892803f8ace7eeac1863cfcd88b5

The Immigration Minister revealed the move as a Labor candidate in Melbourne broke ranks on her party’s asylum policy, joining five MPs and another Labor candidate in opposing turnbacks.

Mr Dutton said the growing dissent from within Labor could force Bill Shorten to abandon the policy if he won the election as opposition candidate Sophie Ismail spoke out against turnbacks. Ms Ismail, who is battling to win back the seat of Melbourne for Labor from Greens MP Adam Bandt, said she had concerns about turnbacks. “I don’t think they should be on the table,” she said.

“When people arrive by boat, and 90 per cent of them are genuine refugees, turning them back to places not signed up to the refugee convention is a problem.”

The comments forced the Opposition Leader, as well as senior frontbencher Penny Wong, to quickly declare that Labor continued to back turnbacks. Mr Shorten said the issue of making sure vulnerable people were not exploited by criminal syndicates was a difficult one, but Labor’s policy was clear.

“We will not put the people-smugglers back into business,” he said. “We will not allow policy which sees the mass drowning of vulnerable people seeking to come to this country.”

Lets make a mental of all this.

 

[qldfrog]

and we may avoid that

 

[drsmith]

Tanya Plibersek is hoping Labor won't win government,

The deputy leader said turning back an asylum-seeker boat, as the government did last week, was something the party hoped it would “never have to do”.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/fed...k/news-story/14faf70668fa7553543bf56a2f7631b6

 

[drsmith]

Anthony Albanese on Lateline last night,

http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/content/2015/s4458973.htm

Dear oh dear!

 

[noco]

IMMIGRATION POEM







I cross ocean, poor and broke.
Take bus, see employment folk.

Nice man treat me good in there.
Say I need to see welfare.


Welfare say, 'You come no more, we send cash right to your door. "

Welfare checks - they make you wealthy! Medicare - it keep you healthy!

By and by, I get plenty money.
Thanks to you, you Aussie dummy!

Write to friends in motherland.
Tell them 'come fast as you can. "

They come in turbans and Toyota trucks,
And buy big house with welfare bucks!

They come here, we live together.
More welfare checks, it gets better!
<U>
Fourteen families, they moving in,
But neighbor's patience wearing thin.
Finally, Aussie guy moves away.
Now I buy his house, then I say,

'Find more immigrants for house to rent. "
And in the yard I put a tent.





Everything is very good,
And soon we own the neighborhood.



We have hobby, it's called breeding. Welfare pay for baby feeding.
Kids need dentist? Wives need pills? We get free! We got no bills!
Australians crazy! They work all year, to keep the welfare running here.
We think Australia darn good place.
Too darn good for Aussie race!
If they no like us, they can scram. Got lots of room in Afghanistan!


PLEASE SEND THIS TO EVERY Australian, US & UK TAXPAYER YOU KNOW

 

[luutzu]

IMMIGRATION POEM







I cross ocean, poor and broke.
Take bus, see employment folk.

Nice man treat me good in there.
Say I need to see welfare.


Welfare say, 'You come no more, we send cash right to your door. "

Welfare checks - they make you wealthy! Medicare - it keep you healthy!

By and by, I get plenty money.
Thanks to you, you Aussie dummy!

Write to friends in motherland.
Tell them 'come fast as you can. "

They come in turbans and Toyota trucks,
And buy big house with welfare bucks!

They come here, we live together.
More welfare checks, it gets better!
<U>
Fourteen families, they moving in,
But neighbor's patience wearing thin.
Finally, Aussie guy moves away.
Now I buy his house, then I say,

'Find more immigrants for house to rent. "
And in the yard I put a tent.





Everything is very good,
And soon we own the neighborhood.



We have hobby, it's called breeding. Welfare pay for baby feeding.
Kids need dentist? Wives need pills? We get free! We got no bills!
Australians crazy! They work all year, to keep the welfare running here.
We think Australia darn good place.
Too darn good for Aussie race!
If they no like us, they can scram. Got lots of room in Afghanistan!


PLEASE SEND THIS TO EVERY Australian, US & UK TAXPAYER YOU KNOW

Which generation of Aussie do we send this to noco?

Probably the third or fourth and after ey?

Yes, Australia set these programmes up just to serve immigrants. Ever wonder if some twisted idiot thought one way to make it easier to cut gov't obligations to the poor is to do these kind of stuff?

 

[Tisme]

Which generation of Aussie do we send this to noco?

Probably the third or fourth and after ey?

Yes, Australia set these programmes up just to serve immigrants. Ever wonder if some twisted idiot thought one way to make it easier to cut gov't obligations to the poor is to do these kind of stuff?

Given the lack of verbs and cohesive lines I would suggest it was written by an Asian?

 

[noco]

Which generation of Aussie do we send this to noco?

Probably the third or fourth and after ey?

Yes, Australia set these programmes up just to serve immigrants. Ever wonder if some twisted idiot thought one way to make it easier to cut gov't obligations to the poor is to do these kind of stuff?

I would suggest it refers to the 50,000 illegals allowed to enter under Rudd/Gillard/Rudd....The greatest mistake any government has ever made in the Australian history.

The English, Italian and German immigrants who entered legally after WW11 were all good people who were expert in their trades, conscientious and assimilated with our way of life.....They did not set up their own religious ghettos and they abided by our Australian laws...They were never a burden on the social security system as we are seeing to day from those who entered 2008/2013....The same thing could be said of those Vietnamese people...There were never any terrorists threats like we are seeing here in the past 3 or 4 years.

How do I know these things?....I worked and in some cases lived with them on out of town construction sites.

So please don't question me about the current situation which is costing the tax payer $27 million each year just to keep those in detention with free medical and dental care.....free board and lodgings...free cigarettes and free phones.

 

[luutzu]

Given the lack of verbs and cohesive lines I would suggest it was written by an Asian?

Oi. Not all Asians have my writing skills (written ability? writing ability?)

I think the poet up there was trying to speak in the imagined voice of the immigrant McG.

 

[luutzu]

I would suggest it refers to the 50,000 illegals allowed to enter under Rudd/Gillard/Rudd....The greatest mistake any government has ever made in the Australian history.

The English, Italian and German immigrants who entered legally after WW11 were all good people who were expert in their trades, conscientious and assimilated with our way of life.....They did not set up their own religious ghettos and they abided by our Australian laws...They were never a burden on the social security system as we are seeing to day from those who entered 2008/2013....The same thing could be said of those Vietnamese people...There were never any terrorists threats like we are seeing here in the past 3 or 4 years.

How do I know these things?....I worked and in some cases lived with them on out of town construction sites.

So please don't question me about the current situation which is costing the tax payer $27 million each year just to keep those in detention with free medical and dental care.....free board and lodgings...free cigarettes and free phones.

Why is it that all lazy, no good, ripping the system and screwing the daughters type are always the latest batch of arrivals?

We could understand if it's the First Fleet, or the Irish, but all of the groups are seen as no good immigrants when they first arrive? Coincident or what?

I think I miss a couple emoji somewhere