Asylum immigrants - Green Light

[drsmith]

Immigration Minister Peter Dutton in a media conference on asylum seeker boats and detention updates the progress of OSB as follows,

•Two boats have been turned back in recent weeks

•Over the life of Operation Sovereign Borders 25 boats with 698 people have been turned back

•At the moment there are only 29 children in immigration detention

•It's been 600 days since the last boat arrival

I did see a media report recently of a boat containing 6 passengers and 2 crew being turned back to Indonesia.

 

[Tisme]

Immigration Minister Peter Dutton in a media conference on asylum seeker boats and detention updates the progress of OSB as follows,



I did see a media report recently of a boat containing 6 passengers and 2 crew being turned back to Indonesia.

I wonder how many get through undetected.

 

[drsmith]

I wonder how many get through undetected.

Not as many as used to ring the marine taxi service that operated under Labor from 12 NM off Indonesia.

You really are clutching at straws now.

 

[drsmith]

The OSB monthly update for February shows another month with no boats.

http://newsroom.border.gov.au/chann...eleases/monthly-operational-update-february-2

 

[dutchie]

There's a light starting to flicker in the UK


Send warships to tow Med migrants back, says the PM: David Cameron calls for EU to follow the lead of Australia to help stem the human tide

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ralia-help-stem-human-tide.html#ixzz43Dhmsc5d

 

[luutzu]

There's a light starting to flicker in the UK


Send warships to tow Med migrants back, says the PM: David Cameron calls for EU to follow the lead of Australia to help stem the human tide

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ralia-help-stem-human-tide.html#ixzz43Dhmsc5d

Wow man...

Whatever happen to, I don't know, maybe don't start wars and take out dictators we don't like and regime change and things like that.

But I wouldn't worry too much... I have heard it a few months back that there are plans and some failed attempt to deflate those rafts along Libya's wide coasts.

I guess that cost too much so they decided to remove Italy's rescue efforts and hope that people die on their way across the ocean and that'll stop them.

It's a very sadistic way to solve problems we kinda have a hand in... but ey, as long as there are scapegoats and multinational corporations get to not pay tax and get bailed out and no one seem to really care about that's a major cause of their economic decline...

Anywho... dam poor people and refugees... why be poor for? Making the country poor by them being poor. It's not like domestic policies make them poor and foreign policies turn their somewhat liveable homes into demolition sites they somehow figured it's better to risk it at sea

 

[SirRumpole]

Wow man...

Anywho... dam poor people and refugees... why be poor for? Making the country poor by them being poor. It's not like domestic policies make them poor and foreign policies turn their somewhat liveable homes into demolition sites they somehow figured it's better to risk it at sea

It seems they want to tow back boats to Turkey and Libya.

People who get to Turkey and Libya from Syria should not be in danger anymore so they are no longer refugees.

They are country picking just like the people trying to get to Australia via Indonesia. That's where the people smugglers operate from.

 

[luutzu]

It seems they want to tow back boats to Turkey and Libya.

People who get to Turkey and Libya from Syria should not be in danger anymore so they are no longer refugees.

They are country picking just like the people trying to get to Australia via Indonesia. That's where the people smugglers operate from.

Libya is still one big mess, it hasn't gotten any better since Qaddafi was overthrown some 3 [?] years ago.

Turkey just suffered some 5 terrorist bombings, killing some 220 people past five weeks or so.

Of course they're country shopping. The neighbouring countries are either at war or about to go to war or all their refugee camps are full.

Of course there are people smugglers. Supply/Demand, free market stuff.

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We should really stop making ourselves victims of come heinous crime or being suckers or weaklings if we don't stand tough on refugees and welfare chasers and all that.

These are human beings. Their cities are destroyed. So we can point to law and order, point to crimes committed by a handful of "their people" against our generosity and ignore our international and humanitarian obligations.

I've said it many times before, we the people are having our democracy, our national resources stolen from us... all done legally and with perfect English by clean shaven well-dressed people in big mansions and jetsetters. And we the people either don't believe it, or are too afraid to do anything about it... and instead turn against the poor and the needy and blame them for ruining our country and taking our jobs.

To turn our back on refugees is to turn our back on victims of war. In wanting to build walls or turn back the boats without asking because "we know" they're economic parasites or potential terrorists, we not only sold our soul, we're giving our gov't permission to wage war and destroy lives on our behalf for "our security".

Didn't we in the West turn back the Jewish refugees during WW2? What happen to those that were turned back?


History is not something that's in the past. We're living it.

 

[SirRumpole]

How cynical is this ?


About 90 asylum seeker children in Australia to be returned to Nauru, Peter Dutton confirms






Immigration Minister Peter Dutton has confirmed dozens of children will be returned to Nauru, one day after announcing there were no children in mainland detention.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-04-...e-returned-to-nauru-peter-dutton-says/7297320
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[Tisme]

How cynical is this ?


About 90 asylum seeker children in Australia to be returned to Nauru, Peter Dutton confirms






Immigration Minister Peter Dutton has confirmed dozens of children will be returned to Nauru, one day after announcing there were no children in mainland detention.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-04-...e-returned-to-nauru-peter-dutton-says/7297320
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I think he hailed it as a great day. History will label him appropriately

 

[drsmith]

The greatest history lesson here is to compromise border security allowing people smugglers a trade and that's now largely reflected in Labor's spoken policy position.

This is still being played out here in Europe. I would suggest however that ideologically, it's still a lesson Labor has failed to learn.

 

[noco]

I think he hailed it as a great day. History will label him appropriately

Under Labor there was 8,469 children in onshore detention........90 is now peanuts in comparison.....Those who have been sent back to Nauru are with their dubious parents...Those kids parents may well be undesirable immigrants who most likely cannot be identified.

 

[Tisme]

Under Labor there was 8,469 children in onshore detention........90 is now peanuts in comparison.....Those who have been sent back to Nauru are with their dubious parents...Those kids parents may well be undesirable immigrants who most likely cannot be identified.

What's Labor got to do with the decisions the govt makes on the lives of 90 children? You want to start blaming Billy Hughes for Malcolm Turnbull's lack of political nous?

Where were you when all those 10 pound poms and their gang violent skinhead sons were invading Australia back in the day?

 

[moXJO]

What's Labor got to do with the decisions the govt makes on the lives of 90 children? You want to start blaming Billy Hughes for Malcolm Turnbull's lack of political nous?

Where were you when all those 10 pound poms and their gang violent skinhead sons were invading Australia back in the day?

Because labor caused the problem in the first place. Rudd was stupid enough to dismantle what was in place. All those deaths under labor were because of that decision.

 

[Tisme]

Because labor caused the problem in the first place. Rudd was stupid enough to dismantle what was in place. All those deaths under labor were because of that decision.

You are predicating the action on it being a desirable one. Ultimately it's the govt's decision and the fella who signed off on it. The previous govt was elected by the will of the people, so is this one. 50% of people don't necessarily agree with the proposition that things were done wrong.

Situations present themselves everyday and it's all well and good looking to blame someone, but that is not governing, it's abrogating responsibility and the reason this govt is on the nose = it doesn't know how to not be the opposition and throwing mud.....it's not my fault mummy

 

[noco]

You are predicating the action on it being a desirable one. Ultimately it's the govt's decision and the fella who signed off on it. The previous govt was elected by the will of the people, so is this one. 50% of people don't necessarily agree with the proposition that things were done wrong.

Situations present themselves everyday and it's all well and good looking to blame someone, but that is not governing, it's abrogating responsibility and the reason this govt is on the nose = it doesn't know how to not be the opposition and throwing mud.....it's not my fault mummy

There are some 40,000 illegals waiting in Indonesia right now hoping there will be a change of government back to Labor.
The invasion will start again if that happens and Labor will open the flood gates....More deaths at sea...more children in detention......More Muslim radicals.

 

[Tisme]

There are some 40,000 illegals waiting in Indonesia right now hoping there will be a change of government back to Labor.
The invasion will start again if that happens and Labor will open the flood gates....More deaths at sea...more children in detention......More Muslim radicals.

Perhaps it will and they will be accountable as a result. If that is what the voters want via the ballot box that is what we will get. It's not my cup of tea, but nor is dispassionate cruelty.

The Catholics tried to blow up the House of Lords with gunpowder, but we still let them in, even be half arsed Prime Minister and immigration minister on the few occasions .

 

[sptrawler]

Perhaps it will and they will be accountable as a result. If that is what the voters want via the ballot box that is what we will get. It's not my cup of tea, but nor is dispassionate cruelty.

The Catholics tried to blow up the House of Lords with gunpowder, but we still let them in, even be half arsed Prime Minister and immigration minister on the few occasions .

I agree with you, the voters will get what they want, but it may not be what they expect.

Labor will open the doors and there is nothing wrong with that per say, however a population of 50million may not be the elixir that they expect.

The increase in population regardless of skills, may end up in a race to the 3rd world economy, rather than a shot in the arm for service industries.
Labor IMO seems to have this mantra, of bring them in and the economy will grow to support them. I'm of the belief the economy will collapse under the increased welfare burden.

Just increasing our market size via population growth, doesn't in itself increase our viability as a first world economy, unless there is a corresponding increase in intellectual asset and productivity.
If not we will just keep borrowing more money to support our welfare systems.

I guess we won't get any sensible debate on welfare affordability, until ex public servants and politicians pensions are affected, then Labor will really take it on board.imo

 

[luutzu]

I agree with you, the voters will get what they want, but it may not be what they expect.

Labor will open the doors and there is nothing wrong with that per say, however a population of 50million may not be the elixir that they expect.

The increase in population regardless of skills, may end up in a race to the 3rd world economy, rather than a shot in the arm for service industries.
Labor IMO seems to have this mantra, of bring them in and the economy will grow to support them. I'm of the belief the economy will collapse under the increased welfare burden.

Just increasing our market size via population growth, doesn't in itself increase our viability as a first world economy, unless there is a corresponding increase in intellectual asset and productivity.
If not we will just keep borrowing more money to support our welfare systems.

I guess we won't get any sensible debate on welfare affordability, until ex public servants and politicians pensions are affected, then Labor will really take it on board.imo

Welcome back Homer.

When did voters ever get what they want?

Most voters are poor, looks to be getting poorer. Don't think voters wanted to be in that position but it "just happen".

 

[sptrawler]

Welcome back Homer.

When did voters ever get what they want?

Most voters are poor, looks to be getting poorer. Don't think voters wanted to be in that position but it "just happen".

Like I said, they get what they want , but it might not be what they expect.

The media pushed for Abbott to be rolled, because he wasn't receptive to them, the public opinion polls supported this, now we have Turnbull.

Turnbull now finds himself with the same problem Abbott had, all the facts regarding tax and welfare, and none of them palatable.

So the media now want Shorten and Labor, just have to convince Joe Average.

The roller coater will only stop, when someone calls it as it is and stops pandering to the press. Hang on Hockey tried that and it blew up in his face.

Best we just let everything reach rock bottom, then get a bit of desire and hunger back into the equation.

It's funny really, if we hadn't allowed this massive capital expenditure on increasing raw material extraction, would some other country like Brazil or Argentina now have the problem instead of us?