Asylum immigrants - Green Light

[luutzu]

Maybe a very bright orange light at least for future refugees.

No doubt this will be popular in the electorate so it's likely to get bi-partisan support.

Leaked government document outlines tougher migration program, increased monitoring of refugees

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-02-04/leaked-document-outlines-changes-to-migration/7140952

Election campaigning already.

 

[dutchie]

Election campaigning already.

Yes, you can't keep the ABC quiet for too long.

 

[luutzu]

Yes, you can't keep the ABC quiet for too long.

Good one.

But no, it's not "leaked".

Sent out to appease some of its electorate. Look how tough and how hard we work to secure the country against Refugees... we'll screen them like nuts, once they're cleared to come into our land and live among us, we'll be watching them too - just in case they lied to us and turn Jihad.

I thought we're all being watched? And Muslims more watched than others already.

 

[drsmith]

Something more for the self proclaimed moral preachers to consider including the ABC (again), a church group and those state premiers who think that responsibility for national security ends at the state boundary.

https://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/30761258/nauru-deportation-within-days-says-immigration-chief/

The above covers a range of issues including some recently referred to in this thread.

The head of the Immigration Department has warned a campaign by premiers and refugee advocates to stop 267 asylum seekers being returned to Nauru is counter-productive and undermines authorities’ efforts to quietly let them stay.

People with cancer and terminal illnesses among those facing deportation, with Immigration Department Secretary Michael Pezzullo saying the first returns could take place within days.

Mr Pezzullo also rejected claims that a five-year-old boy was raped while in detention in Nauru, saying details of how it was reported were a “figment”.

During 90 minutes of questions, Mr Pezzullo also revealed the Federal Police had been called in to investigate the leaking of a Cabinet submission that flagged making it harder for refugees to gain permanent residency.

The Government has been under pressure from refugee campaigners and churches not to return to Nauru 267 asylum seekers brought to Australia for medical treatment following a High Court case last week which ruled the offshore detention of boat people was lawful. Thirty-seven babies born in Australia are among those facing deportation.

Over the weekend, Victorian Premier Daniel Andrews, NSW Premier Mike Baird, Queensland’s Annastacia Palaszczuk and ACT Chief Minister Andrew Barr offered to resettle the asylum seekers.

The Government has said decisions on returning people will be made on a case-by-case basis but Malcolm Turnbull has stressed he won’t water down the hard line stance because of the risk of re-starting the people smuggling trade.

Mr Pezzullo told Senate Estimates that no amount of “moral lecturing” would see the policy change but indicated the Department would exercise discretion and compassion “quietly”.

“There is no compassion in giving people false hope,” he said.

“For those transferees and refugees temporarily in Australia for medical treatment or accompanying those in need of treatment, they will be returned to Nauru and Papua New Guinea as the case applies at the conclusion of their treatment.

“Avoidance of fanfare and gesture is crucial lest others be encouraged to the game opportunities to get to Australia or stay here.

“Yielding to emotional gestures in this area of public administration simply reduces the margin for discretionary action which is able to be employed by those who are actually charged with dealing with the problem.”

Mr Pezzullo denied he was specifically referring to the premiers in his comments, saying that was for others to judge.

Asked about an ABC news report last week that alleged a five-year-old boy was raped while in detention, Mr Pezzullo said it was wrong.

“It’s a figment,” he said.

Departmental First Assistant Secretary Cheryl-Anne Moy told Estimates that she checked with the doctor in the report, Karen Zwi. She said Dr Zwi had never told the ABC the victim was five years old and did not know how it came to be reported that way.

Ms Moy said on cross-checking showed the victim was actually at least twice as old as reported, and the perpetrator was another asylum seeker child two years older. The assault involved “skin-to-skin contact”.

She said the department had been aware of the assault after it was reported by the boy’s parents, it had been investigated and the boy had been brought to NSW for treatment.

Mr Pezzullo said the Federal Police had been asked to investigate the leaking of a Cabinet document to the ABC and Fairfax Media on plans to toughen the humanitarian migration program.

Among the proposals were removing direct access to permanent residency and greater monitoring of new arrivals.

The document highlighted how the perpetrators of recent terror attacks in Australia had been refugees or dependants of new arrivals and lessons learnt from integrating Lebanese Muslims after the wave of migration in the 1970s and 80s. It flags concerns some of the 12,000 Syrian refugees to be resettled here may have violent tendencies.

Mr Pezzullo said draft and finished versions of the document had not been sent to Immigration Minister Peter Dutton’s office.

Australian Border Force Commissioner Roman Quaedvlieg said the success of Operation Sovereign Borders had seen people smugglers slash the price of passage to Australia in a desperate hunt for customers. Intelligence indicated fares had dropped from $US10,000 to $US2000 per person.

 

[dutchie]

Something more for the self proclaimed moral preachers to consider including the ABC (again), a church group and those state premiers who think that responsibility for national security ends at the state boundary.

https://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/30761258/nauru-deportation-within-days-says-immigration-chief/

The above covers a range of issues including some recently referred to in this thread.

Asked about an ABC news report last week that alleged a five-year-old boy was raped while in detention, Mr Pezzullo said it was wrong.

“It’s a figment,” he said.

Departmental First Assistant Secretary Cheryl-Anne Moy told Estimates that she checked with the doctor in the report, Karen Zwi. She said Dr Zwi had never told the ABC the victim was five years old and did not know how it came to be reported that way.


The ABC can make its own version of the news as long it's anti- coalition.

 

[drsmith]

The ABC can make its own version of the news as long it's anti- coalition.

The Abbott government didn't fit in with the ABC's moral compass.

The Turnbull government does (for now) but border security is one specific policy area that does not.

With the specific issue above, the ABC has acknowledged its error (again).

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-02-...-reporting-nauru-child-sexual-assault/7150320

That like before won't see a reset in moral compass.

 

[luutzu]

Shocking numbers that sum up Syrian Civil War

http://www.news.com.au/world/middle-east/shocking-numbers-that-sum-up-syrian-civil-war/news-story/0361e487c319253b7703d7cc881cb2c8


THE NUMBERS
● More than 270,000 killed
● Life expectancy reduced by 20 years
● Four million Syrians are external refugees
● Nearly seven million are displaced inside the country
● Four out of five Syrians live in poverty
● Unemployment has risen to nearly 60 per cent
● Four million children are missing out on formal schooling
● More than 80 per cent of country’s electricity has been cut
● More than $US200 billion in damage and lost revenue
● Thirteen million in need of assistance
● Largest current refugee crisis in the world


Might want to take a look at the video in that link. Same as those photos of Europe after WW2.

Two generations of Syrians are pretty much destroyed. The Third generation might slowly get back on their feet and be lucky if they have enough to eat. The fourth can go to school again.

 

[Tisme]

The Abbott government didn't fit in with the ABC's moral compass.

The Turnbull government does (for now) but border security is one specific policy area that does not.

With the specific issue above, the ABC has acknowledged its error (again).

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-02-...-reporting-nauru-child-sexual-assault/7150320

That like before won't see a reset in moral compass.

I don't agree with your assessment that the ABC shows a bias towards any particular political faction...castor oil tastes bad and always comes with protest. However I do take umbrage with the talking heads on their Breakfast show, especially the pompous Virginia and her inflated sense of self worth.

Everyone is aware that that Mark Scott's DNA is rooted deeply in the Liberal Party? He was (and probably still is) a Liberal Party adviser and served as chief of staff in the Griener Govt?

Insofar as the 5 yearold rape, I don't see any back down from the ABC on that being evidenced by an attending Doctor, merely the report confused two children? Apparently adult "skin on (child) skin" molestation is not of concern to the Federal govt, but gravitas to State govts. But eh, they are third world kids ...who gives a sh1te.

 

[noco]

Shocking numbers that sum up Syrian Civil War

http://www.news.com.au/world/middle-east/shocking-numbers-that-sum-up-syrian-civil-war/news-story/0361e487c319253b7703d7cc881cb2c8


THE NUMBERS
● More than 270,000 killed
● Life expectancy reduced by 20 years
● Four million Syrians are external refugees
● Nearly seven million are displaced inside the country
● Four out of five Syrians live in poverty
● Unemployment has risen to nearly 60 per cent
● Four million children are missing out on formal schooling
● More than 80 per cent of country’s electricity has been cut
● More than $US200 billion in damage and lost revenue
● Thirteen million in need of assistance
● Largest current refugee crisis in the world


Might want to take a look at the video in that link. Same as those photos of Europe after WW2.

Two generations of Syrians are pretty much destroyed. The Third generation might slowly get back on their feet and be lucky if they have enough to eat. The fourth can go to school again.

Is it not true the whole problem in Syria is all about religion.....Muslims fighting Muslims.....Suunies V Shiite for dominance....ISIS interference.....intervention by Russia and the West

And when it all settles down and they sort themselves out the West will come in and invest $billions to rebuild the destruction they created....There will be plenty of work in Syria in the years to come.

What do you think?

 

[luutzu]

Is it not true the whole problem in Syria is all about religion.....Muslims fighting Muslims.....Suunies V Shiite for dominance....ISIS interference.....intervention by Russia and the West

And when it all settles down and they sort themselves out the West will come in and invest $billions to rebuild the destruction they created....There will be plenty of work in Syria in the years to come.

What do you think?

Yea, I have read a few headlines calling this Syrian war a "Civil War" - as in, Syrian versus Syrian, brothers against brothers. That's just journalist not reading the very recent history of their subject matter.

I'm sure that if a foreign power were to send their special ops into Australia and armed a few groups within Australia, they'll want to Reclaim Australia against the UN-backed and Leftist Reds that's ruining the place too.

Don't get me wrong, Assad and his regime are not comparable to Australia and its mostly bought but paid for by the plebs gov't. But fact is, you give enough guns and training to any minor group within any society and there will be "civil war" to liberate something.

I'm pretty sure those dead Syrians and those Syrians living in poverty and daily sorties run would rather the West and Russia not play Chess on their land with their idiots and tyrants. They probably were very happy with the old home they got rather than knocked it down to maybe rebuild later.

 

[Tisme]

They probably were very happy with the old home they got rather than knocked it down to maybe rebuild later.

I'll be interested to see if the refugees are welcomed back or shunned by their own kind when the conflict ends and peace prevails.

 

[drsmith]

I don't agree with your assessment that the ABC shows a bias towards any particular political faction...castor oil tastes bad and always comes with protest. However I do take umbrage with the talking heads on their Breakfast show, especially the pompous Virginia and her inflated sense of self worth.

Everyone is aware that that Mark Scott's DNA is rooted deeply in the Liberal Party? He was (and probably still is) a Liberal Party adviser and served as chief of staff in the Griener Govt?

Insofar as the 5 yearold rape, I don't see any back down from the ABC on that being evidenced by an attending Doctor, merely the report confused two children? Apparently adult "skin on (child) skin" molestation is not of concern to the Federal govt, but gravitas to State govts. But eh, they are third world kids ...who gives a sh1te.

In their desire to report negatively on the current government's border protection policies, they get facts wrong. This is a lack of due diligence in the accuracy of their reporting driven by their bias. For a taxpayer funded broadcaster, it's very poor indeed.

As for your good self, still waiting for a solution that rates appropriately on your prevention index.

 

[drsmith]

Shocking numbers that sum up Syrian Civil War

That in this thread is presumably a reference to push factors.

That was also Kevin Rudd's line.

 

[Tisme]

In their desire to report negatively on the current government's border protection policies, they get facts wrong. This is a lack of due diligence in the accuracy of their reporting driven by their bias. For a taxpayer funded broadcaster, it's very poor indeed.

As for your good self, still waiting for a solution that rates appropriately on your prevention index.

I disagree they report negatively and you are yet to provide any proofs of bias against your beloved Liberal Party.

In regards to the tease, well lets roll out the counter for any knew members who might have children or grand children:

I am still worried that we are yet to see a demonstrable regret by you and your cohort in promoting lascivious material to minors, while denouncing my concern for people like you.... you know.... displaying zip morality. Danger, Danger Will Robinson !!!!!!

I obviously cause you grief, evidenced by your continued attempts to needle me with a pathetic line about refugee prevention indices; this pleases me ....no really, it pleases me to know you feel anger and therefore are not a total sociopath, so no excuse for your lack of moral fibre when it comes to children and obviously people in distress. Your posts are forever on the net my son.

 

[drsmith]

I disagree they report negatively and you are yet to provide any proofs of bias against your beloved Liberal Party.

In regards to the tease, well lets roll out the counter for any knew members who might have children or grand children:

I am still worried that we are yet to see a demonstrable regret by you and your cohort in promoting lascivious material to minors, while denouncing my concern for people like you.... you know.... displaying zip morality. Danger, Danger Will Robinson !!!!!!

I obviously cause you grief, evidenced by your continued attempts to needle me with a pathetic line about refugee prevention indices; this pleases me ....no really, it pleases me to know you feel anger and therefore are not a total sociopath, so no excuse for your lack of moral fibre when it comes to children and obviously people in distress. Your posts are forever on the net my son.

Don't forget that prevention index was your line.

 

[orr]

Something more for the self proclaimed moral preachers to consider including the ABC (again), a church group and those state premiers who think that responsibility for national security ends at the state boundary.

https://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/30761258/nauru-deportation-within-days-says-immigration-chief/

The above covers a range of issues including some recently referred to in this thread.

Is that Pezzullo that's mentioned; is that the same Pezzullo? of Australian Boarder Force(ABF) who wants Jack booted goon squads marching the suburbs demanding to 'ze your paperz' in those 'oh so fetching' black uniforms in the infamous 'Operation Fortitude' farce.

And why this report today?

'The paediatrician Karen Zwi who risked jail by speaking to the ABC is not backing away from her allegation that this was rape and the child of about 15 suffered serious mental health problems as a result. Yet Pezzullo – and the government he serves – are making it clear he will eventually be sent back to the camp where he was attacked.'

The Moss Review, released on the evening of Malcolm Frasers Funeral, was to my knowledge 'undisgust' in this thread to this point. Pages 23 to 42 make for good reading.
https://www.border.gov.au/Reportsan...ies/review-conditions-circumstances-nauru.pdf

 

[drsmith]

Is that Pezzullo that's mentioned; is that the same Pezzullo? of Australian Boarder Force(ABF) who wants Jack booted goon squads marching the suburbs demanding to 'ze your paperz' in those 'oh so fetching' black uniforms in the infamous 'Operation Fortitude' farce.

Was the ABC right or was it wrong ?

 

[drsmith]

The OSB monthly update for January shows another month with no boats.

http://newsroom.border.gov.au/chann...releases/monthly-operational-update-january-4

 

[noco]

The OSB monthly update for January shows another month with no boats.

http://newsroom.border.gov.au/chann...releases/monthly-operational-update-january-4

The LUG party won't like that one bit.

 

[basilio]

Has anyone wondered how the medical staff for Papua New-Guinea were found ? Like what type of people would apply for and be employed to work as doctors ect in what is effectively a prison camp ?

It seems that if you want to fill the positions you have to take anyone with a pulse and medical story and hold your nose tightly

Doctor Max Mehta, on US child sex abuse charge, worked on Christmas Island

Several medical practitioners with question marks against their record have been employed in Australian immigration detention centres
Dr Mehta
Mehta, who was charged in Texas over allegations he groomed a 15-year-old deaf girl for sex in an online chat room, was hired by IHMS. Photograph: Supplied

Paul Farrell and Melissa Davey

Thursday 27 November 2014 13.13 AEDT

A radiologist wanted in the United States on a child sex charge was hired by the detention health care contractor on Christmas Island to provide medical care for asylum seekers.

A Guardian Australia investigation has uncovered several other instances of medical practitioners with question marks against their record employed in onshore and offshore detention centres.

http://www.theguardian.com/australi...s-sex-child-charge-worked-on-christmas-island