Perhaps you should go and preach your HUMAN RIGHTS BS to ISIS and many of those radical Islamic lunatics.
Noco's figures? If I want biased and out of context reporting, I'd want it delivered by a pretty blond with cleavage showing like they do on Fox News and other media channels.
I'm not proposing open borders, never did. Don't know what the solution is, just know it's not either we lock them up out of sight like criminals or open and welcome all who crosses the seas. That and we do have international obligations to human rights and all that stuff.
The problem with all these Refugee debates is we put all the blame on the refugees for things they haven't yet had a chance to even try ruining.
So Italian migrants, Jewish refugees from WW2, other European refugees/migrants from WW2, Asian refugees, Irish potato famine refugees, First fleet convicts... they all managed to help contribute to Australia. These were convicts, from different cultures, different religion, no skills or little skills, most with zero money... but they all managed to, the majority of them, grow the country... except for Muslims?
Muslim and Arab refugees come here, so we say, to live off welfare and bomb themselves and us up eventually... that or they breed and their adherence to Allah and Islam is a threat to our multi-cultural society?
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Why are there so many refugees and economic migrants in recent years? Nothing to do with our or our allies' foreign policies?
Heard from experts that the Mexicans crossing into the US in droves soon after NAFTA trade agreement under Clinton flooded Mexico with American produce, sending Mexican farmers broke and those young enough tries to cross the border, work on American farms for low wages so they can send some money home to feed their folks.
Didn't Kerry say something about Climate Change refugees a few months ago? When the crops in poor countries die due to drought or flooding or generally wild weather patterns... chances are their gov't won't be stepping in to help with tax or any relieves.
I guess real tough people would stay and die on the land as God intended, most try to move to higher grounds or better land to start again.
And the dozen or so wars and generally unstable gov't in the ME... inflation, unemployment, death and general discomfort tend to happen when your country and neighbours are constantly at it. Again, people can stay and hope to live through it, or they might think that maybe 15 years of this and things are just heating up is about the right time to get the heck out of the place and let the warriors and peace makers go at it.
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I thought I was trying to help the refugees and Australian in this debate. Can't help anyone if business can't make a buck or two out of it.
Perhaps you should go and preach your HUMAN RIGHTS BS to ISIS and many of those radical Islamic lunatics.
Hanson-Young says public don't want babies born on 'prison island'
So that leaves 17 children in detention here in Australia””those that have come here by boat. We are working with those parents and with the agencies, including a ASIO, to determine how we might how we might get those children out. It is difficult in a number of circumstances because there may be an adverse ASIO assessment against the father, for example, and I have made it very clear that that father will not be released into the community whilst that person poses a national security risk to our country. I think all members in this place would support that stance. In those instances, I have said to the mother, for example, that we will allow her release with the children into the community because we do not have a security concern in relation to them. In some circumstances those parents have taken the decision that the mother and children can be released, and in some circumstances they have decided to remain in detention with the father. We will work through each of those cases.
SHY who prematurely cheered via Twitter that OSB was dead in late 2013 sfter the SBY spying issue broke and who also is only too willing to dismiss deaths at sea as accidents and tragedies that happen is at it again,
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-10-...-transferring-pregnant-asylum-seekers/6856708
Meanwhile, it would seem that some parents are choosing to keep their children in detention.
Part of a response from Peter Dutton in reply to a question from Clive Palmer in QT yesterday,
http://parlinfo.aph.gov.au/parlInfo...dr/9719682d-09af-4772-a03a-a954ad5d7b6a/0000"
Luutzu,
Being immigrant myself, I am probably less radical than noco, my entries in this thread are just motivated by my western europe experience where once muslim immigration reached a significant percentage, it all went to sh#t and both economy, citizens and overall culture were annihilated;
Yet these european countries are countries of migration.But you can not integrate nor cohabit with migrants who have no respect for you or your culture yet agree to parasite it while trying to destroy it;
We should not blame them: as I say only 6 billions to go;
It is natural to try to go and get a better life elsewhere if you can;
Each individual is quite justified to try.
After all, migrants in western europe were a key factor in my wish to migrate myself.
And I am so happy I did it move here, more than ever, but the host countries must serve their own interest, otherwise you just move from a ****ty place to another which become as sh&& as the one you left:
look at Lebanon and the palestinian refugeesl
I am sure we can agree Lebanon got destroyed by its conscience, yet the Palestinian at the time were true refugees, not economic migrants
anyway, you will not change your opinion , maybe the day you have children you may start redirecting your views.
In any case, thanks for all the actors here to have kept polite and decent.
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I just believe the asylum seekers are different.
That's because they are different. They invite themselves into our country without being asked, and in doing so they put strains on our finances for which we are unprepared.
Of course people will say we are a rich country, but with a $40 bn pa Federal deficit and government debts of $700 bn , we are not a rich country any more.
Doc, you are so right as to the reason why there are still a few children in detention camps......The Liberal Party unlike the Labor will not rubber stamp the release of these kids fathers due to the security risk they may impose.
So will the Labor party whinging do gooders please pull their horns in and do some research as to why these kids are still in detention.
That's because they are different. They invite themselves into our country without being asked, and in doing so they put strains on our finances for which we are unprepared.
Of course people will say we are a rich country, but with a $40 bn pa Federal deficit and government debts of $700 bn , we are not a rich country any more.
Yes, what an unholy mess we find ourselves in after 6 years of hard Labor and please don't repeat that crap about the GFC.
Luutzu
very coherent argument
I understand asI could have held the same when I was 18y old and so but my personal experience from living within the estates and cohabiting from 18y old or so till leaving to move to Oz has made me do a U turn.
I hope you are right and the refugees moving in Oz are different: after all, it is more expensive and harder so maybe you have a selection in place, plus are we talking immigrants or refugees?
I am 100% sure arab/muslim/black/yellow/green or red: migrants who came under selection point, with proper process are 150% valuable to this country and I welcome them.
I just believe the asylum seekers are different.
Would be VERY happy to be proven wrong in the future.
All the best for your families, I will slow on this thread as i can not add much more
I don't think they're different in a bad way. Different in that their personal circumstances and experience will mean they'll work harder, put up with a lot more... not out of some greatness or whatever, but out of necessity and out of the fact that they've been given a second chance in life.
Most refugees, and most people, who went through such experience tend to try their best not to stay idle and live off of welfare. And since most refugees are from poor and war-torn countries, they will most likely have parents and relatives back home who needs financial help... So they will work harder to not just take care of their family here, but so they can send some back to support those who weren't so lucky.
I've read a report last year that actually show these stuff.
So the GFC was an illusion was it ?
Got any proof of what you are saying or merely rubber stamping what one of you political idols is supposedly saying? I bet you believe no boats have attempted or managed to arrive either.
The only potential Labor party advocate here doesn't seem to be onside with allowing people in and certainly isn't a whinging do gooder as far as I can ascertain...in fact you two seem rather pally?
So the GFC was an illusion was it ?
I hate to disillusion you because while your statements may well have been true for European and Vietnamese refugees the same is not the case for Middle Eastern refugees as this report shows.
http://www.news.com.au/finance/econ...-report-suggests/story-fnu2pwk8-1227529223781
If there's something I've said to which you disagree then please by all means have the stomach to respond directly....in fact you two seem rather pally?
Rumpy, I am sure you are intelligent enough to understand what really went on during the GFC and how Labor went overboard with erratic spending on roof insulation, overpriced school halls and the $11 billion + wasted on illegal immigrants, cash for clunkers, fuel watch and food watch and lots of other hare brain schemes.
I am not saying there was no GFC, just that it was exaggerated by Labor and they panicked.
Most of us know and understand if Labor had been a lot more practical and used some common sense in planning and forethought instead of thought bubbles on the back of a dinner napkin, then I strongly believe they could have done twice as much with half the money they wasted.
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