Asylum immigrants - Green Light

[SirRumpole]

I heard Peter Costello on TV this morning say it is the right thing to say they neither confirm or deny when it comes to security operational matters which makes sense to me.

A few rag-tag refugees on a boat is NOT a national security matter., and saying it is is a load of bull$hite.

If they are allowed to hide behind National Security on this issue then they can also get away with a lot of other stuff that has little relevance to NS. Abbott, Bishop and what's his face who now has authority over the refugee situation needs to be hauled over the coals on people smuggler payments, because it could be an illegal act.

 

[noco]

Forget about roping in Labor and just consider this on it merits. Doing a CBA to justify human trafficking is not what's going here. We have our elected govt paying to smuggle people from and the Indo region into a south east Asian country. This is the insulting disregard for sovereign rights stuff that starts international conflicts, no matter how barbaric or inhumane the other nation is. We are supposed to be a first world country with and educated mature society that uses it's noodle.

Stop blaming Labor and the Greens for something the LNP is in charge of....it weakens your arguments Noco.

Weakens what argument...There is no argument with me.

You cannot deny the fact if was the Green/Labor socialist Rudd/Gillard/Rudd government with there open border policy who were the creators of the problem we have been faced with since 2008.

Accept the facts.

 

[noco]

A few rag-tag refugees on a boat is NOT a national security matter., and saying it is is a load of bull$hite.

If they are allowed to hide behind National Security on this issue then they can also get away with a lot of other stuff that has little relevance to NS. Abbott, Bishop and what's his face who now has authority over the refugee situation needs to be hauled over the coals on people smuggler payments, because it could be an illegal act.

What proof do you have of those payments?

After all it was hear say from an unreliable source and besides that, that boat was headed for New Zealand.

 

[orr]

One hypothetical point I would like to make is, if the Government did pay out the alleged US$30,000, would it not encourage other people smugglers to do the same and why would the Government suddenly decide to make these payments when it has not been necessary in the past.

...I said maybe.

And as it will prove that your questioned 'maybe' is, and is proven to be fact, for those just a little more enlightened than your self it will be seen that you are being 'played'. The LNP's modus is to work the on the fears and ignorance of the 'illiterati'. You are but the clay that is formed by others hands ...... flailing in a traction-less void destained to leave your children poorer angry and more resentful yourself.

The redistribution that is more concerning to those on the 'gravy train' is that of justice and the rule of law. Singtel/Optus investments in Burma comes to mind. You want less Rohingya on boats get less people to sign up with Optus. Or go over there and beat the Rohiingya to death on the ground yourself. Or is it to hard to joint the dots.

for the usual suspect choking on his own hubris;
No better way to operate is a taxi service than getting a fare out and back... didn't see that under Rudd

 

[Macquack]

After all it was hear say from an unreliable source and besides that, that boat was headed for New Zealand.

Well, if that boat was heading for New Zealand then they should have called it the "Endeavour".

Because, zero asylum seekers have ever reached New Zealand by boat.

BTW, if you are going to be politically correct, stop calling me "comrade".

 

[IFocus]

Fascinating

So Abbott is paying the crew to turn back....allegedly

So payment may be a pull factor, illegal, morally bankrupt etc.

This government is not about up holding any of the above valves as we well know.

Abbott will say any thing but the truth or any thing intelligent or factual.......listen to question time.

But supply and demand drive the people smugglers so anyone wanting to jump on a boat to Oz is going to think x 2 knowing Abbott will out bid them on the price.

Of course as with every other aspect of this bunch of morons ethics and morality are in suspension due to low intellectual ability it might just work.

Slow clap.........wonderful to be an Australian

 

[noco]

Well, if that boat was heading for New Zealand then they should have called it the "Endeavour".

Because, zero asylum seekers have ever reached New Zealand by boat.

BTW, if you are going to be politically correct, stop calling me "comrade".

I thought calling someone a comrade meant you are a friend but when I looked up the Oxford dictionary it interpreted an an associate or companion in some activity. Comradeship was used in the army during WW1 and WW2 so why take exception to it?

Sorry if you felt a bit sensitive about old mate.

 

[drsmith]

Fascinating

So Abbott is paying the crew to turn back....allegedly

So payment may be a pull factor, illegal, morally bankrupt etc.

This government is not about up holding any of the above valves as we well know.

Abbott will say any thing but the truth or any thing intelligent or factual.......listen to question time.

But supply and demand drive the people smugglers so anyone wanting to jump on a boat to Oz is going to think x 2 knowing Abbott will out bid them on the price.

Of course as with every other aspect of this bunch of morons ethics and morality are in suspension due to low intellectual ability it might just work.

Slow clap.........wonderful to be an Australian

I thought at some point that you'd get back to whinging about more than the secrecy.

The people smugglers product is for the passengers, not the crew.

The passengers didn't get here which still leaves the people smugglers with no product to sell.

 

[Macquack]

I thought at some point that you'd get back to whinging about more than the secrecy.

The people smugglers product is for the passengers, not the crew.

The passengers didn't get here which still leaves the people smugglers with no product to sell.

They can diversify and sell crash test dummies to the Australian government.

 

[drsmith]

They can diversify and sell crash test dummies to the Australian government.

We can take them directly to Canberra from the boat.

They would improve the Labor front bench at no cost.

 

[luutzu]

We can take them directly to Canberra from the boat.

They would improve the Labor front bench at no cost.

Be kind - they're running away from corrupt, out of touch plutocrats in their homeland and you want them to be sitting next to Joe (get a good high paid job to get a house; or be a politician, stay at "the wife's" place and have taxpayers foot the mortgage) Hockey and Captain Kangaroo?

 

[banco]

I have very little doubt that the crew of that boat were paid to return to Indonesia.

While it's obviously wrong as a matter of principal to engage in such a way with what is a criminal activity, Indonesia has never done enough to prevent this criminal activity from its shores and Labor, the Greens and the UNHCR seem to think it's OK to encourage such criminal activity as a means of global wealth redistribution.

LOL saying it's wrong as a matter of principle and then going on to defend it. You are a master of apparatchik-speak.

 

[noco]

All you lefties should take a Bex, a cocacola, a cold shower and lay down for a while.

You are all getting too excited in the hope that you can hang one on Abbott.

Best you wait and see what eventuates before jumping to conclusion.

It is also a good diversion away from the Bill Shorten saga with his rorting in the AWU.

 

[dutchie]

All you lefties should take a Bex, a cocacola, a cold shower and lay down for a while.

You are all getting too excited in the hope that you can hang one on Abbott.

Best you wait and see what eventuates before jumping to conclusion.

It is also a good diversion away from the Bill Shorten saga with his rorting in the AWU.

Just like Insiders this morning.

Shorten not guilty of anything but Abbott Abbott Abbott.

So one-eyed.

 

[luutzu]

All you lefties should take a Bex, a cocacola, a cold shower and lay down for a while.

You are all getting too excited in the hope that you can hang one on Abbott.

Best you wait and see what eventuates before jumping to conclusion.

It is also a good diversion away from the Bill Shorten saga with his rorting in the AWU.

I'm not much for Shorten or Labor either but while we're not jumping to conclusions, maybe wait until after the hearing before finding Shorten guilty.

Abbott on the other hand... didn't he pretty much admit to paying the smugglers? "By hook and by crook"?

I mean, I appreciate the alleged bribery, if was done, was done to save Australians and all that... but we're a nation of law and if you're going to do wrong, wait until it's permitted by law first. Don't go around bragging about doing right and wrong as needed to protect the family. He's Prime Minister Tony Abbott, not Tony Sopranos.

 

[drsmith]

LOL saying it's wrong as a matter of principle and then going on to defend it. You are a master of apparatchik-speak.

What I've done is put that element into its broader context.

If you don't agree, you can offer an alternative context.

 

[So_Cynical]

that boat was headed for New Zealand.

You might want to have a look at a map.

 

[drsmith]

You might want to have a look at a map.

There were earlier media reports that the destination was indeed New Zealand.

Crew and passengers however were transferred to another wooden boat for the return journey to Indonesia raising questions about the seaworthiness of the original craft.

A Fairfax article has them being on an Australian customs boat for 4 days prior to the transfer. There I'd imagine that any discussions with the crew could have been held in private.

Meanwhile, Julie Bishop has fired a shot back at Indonesia,

"I look forward to hearing the full results of Indonesia's investigation of the people smuggling crimes committed in Indonesia, including any breaches of passport and visa laws, and establishing whether the captains and crews of these boats are part of people-smuggling syndicates or are paid by them."

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-06-...eker-stance-amid-call-for-bribe-probe/6545312

 

[noco]

You might want to have a look at a map.

Why would I want to look a map?.....The people smugglers stated it themselves...They were heading for New Zealand.

 

[SirRumpole]

Best you wait and see what eventuates before jumping to conclusion.

It is also a good diversion away from the Bill Shorten saga with his rorting in the AWU.

I bet you can't see that your statements above are self contradictory.