Asylum immigrants - Green Light

[So_Cynical]

There were earlier media reports that the destination was indeed New Zealand.

Seriously you guys - they could say their destination was Argentina, doesn't change the fact that its impossible for a refugee boat to reach NZ from Indo without crossing Aust territorial waters.

Its a bit of a worry that you insist on pursuing this fantasy.
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[noco]

Seriously you guys - they could say their destination was Argentina, doesn't change the fact that its impossible for a refugee boat to reach NZ from Indo without crossing Aust territorial waters.

Its a bit of a worry that you insist on pursuing this fantasy.
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I don't think you would make a very good sailor.

I would say the sea route to New Zealand would have been via the northern part of Australia......That southern ocean route is treacherous to sailing.

Even sailing via the northern route those people smugglers would have to be seen as super optimistic.

 

[drsmith]

Seriously you guys - they could say their destination was Argentina, doesn't change the fact that its impossible for a refugee boat to reach NZ from Indo without crossing Aust territorial waters.

Its a bit of a worry that you insist on pursuing this fantasy.
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It might help when reading posts if you extend your attention span beyond one sentence.

 

[sptrawler]

The way Australia is going economically, as Margret Thatcher once said, it will be self resolving.

They won't be coming here, when it is a third world country.

 

[drsmith]

They're not getting here now unlike Labor's record of 50,000 boat arrivals, 1,200 deaths at sea, paying some $500 million for the trip and costing us $11 billion.

 

[luutzu]

They're not getting here now unlike Labor's record of 50,000 boat arrivals, 1,200 deaths at sea, paying some $500 million for the trip and costing us $11 billion.

Must take a lot of love to excuse things away this much. Love or hatred for the other side.

You're kidding yourself thinking you're doing your country or your people any favour by being this partisan.

 

[trainspotter]

Well drsmith I do believe that is the Ace on the table. Abbott, Bishop and Dutton REFUSE to answer questions about that Ex gratia "payment"

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-06-...bishop-dutton-refuse-discuss-payments/6547224

Prime Minister Tony Abbott and his Cabinet ministers have refused to answer questions in Parliament about whether Australian authorities paid people smugglers to take an asylum seeker boat back to Indonesia.

Crew members and passengers of a boat, which was intercepted last month, said officials gave the smugglers thousands of dollars to turn around.

My bolds

 

[trainspotter]

Must take a lot of love to excuse things away this much. Love or hatred for the other side.

You're kidding yourself thinking you're doing your country or your people any favour by being this partisan.

Love thy fellow man ... but not in my country. Indonesia is dumping the refuse of Asia under the "guise" of asylum seekers into our country on leaky boats under the guidance/sanction of the Indo Navy and you want to say yes to the dress?

We have been caught spying on WiDODO and Bang Bang (can they come up with an original name next time) and now we are expected to take the homeless refugees into our fold of society? Sure .... and Indonesia needs to protect their borders and STOP the illegal boats in their Sovereign waters instead of guiding safe passage to our homeland.

 

[drsmith]

Well drsmith I do believe that is the Ace on the table. Abbott, Bishop and Dutton REFUSE to answer questions about that Ex gratia "payment"

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-06-...bishop-dutton-refuse-discuss-payments/6547224

The last part of that article is quiet interesting,

The Intelligence Services Act states that "a staff member or agent of an agency is not subject to any civil or criminal liability for any act done outside Australia if the act is done in the proper performance of a function of the agency"

In particular, the Australian Secret Intelligence Service (ASIS) — a supporting agency for Operation Sovereign Borders — is known to engage in the "disruption" of people smuggling syndicates.

In 2012, ASIS director-general Nick Warner confirmed the service's involvement in a rare public speech.

"ASIS has contributed intelligence and expertise leading to many significant, and unheralded, successes in recent years which have disrupted people smuggling syndicates and their operations," he said.

University of Sydney international law expert Professor Tim Stephens said the law would give agents immunity from prosecution.

"When military agencies are engaged in combat or security agencies are engaged in intelligence and other actives offshore, they are subject to certain privileges , immunities, protection under Australian law to facilitate that kind of activity," he told the ABC's 7.30 program.

Not inconsistent with the above, it now also seems Labor's attack on the government over this has just blown up in its own face,

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-polit...-former-labor-government-20150615-ghotbt.html

Interestingly, after going hard for the past few days, the broader story is no longer top of the pops on the ABC.

 

[trainspotter]

The last part of that article is quiet interesting,

Not inconsistent with the above, it now also seems Labor's attack on the government over this has just blown up in its own face,

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-polit...-former-labor-government-20150615-ghotbt.html

Interestingly, after going hard for the past few days, the broader story is no longer top of the pops on the ABC.

Seems like the Labor machine must have forgotten they also had their hand in the cookie jar?

A spokeswoman for Labor’s immigration spokesman Richard Marles said: “We never paid a people-smuggler to turn back a boat.’’
But, she said “it is unlawful for the Government or the opposition to divulge security or intelligence information’’ - the same line Labor has been attacking the Government for.

http://www.news.com.au/national/lab...es-to-stop-boats/story-fncynjr2-1227399834451

 

[Tisme]

So Jason Bourne has been splashing around the dosh to the smugglers. Damned spys

 

[noco]

Seems like the Labor machine must have forgotten they also had their hand in the cookie jar?



http://www.news.com.au/national/lab...es-to-stop-boats/story-fncynjr2-1227399834451

And some more on the subject from the Australian......Labor tried to bucket the government yesterday on paying people smugglers but silence today they blown apart with hypocrisy....It has all come back to bite them on the backside.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opi...le-smuggler-cash/story-fn8qlm5e-1227400170908

That a handful of cash might be useful for information or cooperation is neither surprising nor abhorrent when lives, safety and national security are at stake.

Yet when Labor cranked up its faux outrage the usual suspects in the media, and especially at the ABC, jumped to their tune demanding detailed denials from the government and amplifying any implied criticism from Indonesia.

They never seem to be able to consider these issues from the perspective of Australia’s interests or are capable of even canvassing Jakarta’s hypocrisy or indolence.

The media even applauded Labor’s tactics of devoting all of question time to the issue yesterday — when surely it was obvious this was a case of political self-harm when the opposition was drawing attention to the government’s strongest success and Labor’s greatest public policy shame.

Now Labor won’t deny payments going to people associated with people-smuggling when it was in office — credit to ABC 7.30’s Sabra Lane for first getting this important point on the record and The Australian’s Cameron Stewart and Rowan Callick for reporting how Labor has used cash in similar operations when it was in government.

Now it is Labor who won’t confirm or deny what security agencies do in border protection operations.

Now it is Labor that has no answers.

Quelle surprise.

I wonder how quickly the opposition can hose down the media fury it’s been egging on for five days.

 

[Tisme]

Wouldn't that be a turnup if the payments actually happened under Labor's watch


http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2015/06/16/australia-s-boat-payment-policy-four-years-old.html

 

[Tisme]

Apparently it cost us $450k per person per year to detain a wannabe migrant on the prison islands.

I was looking at the various dot gov dot au sites regarding the number of "illegal" boat people let into the country and allowed to stay and I'm confused at the difference between the statistical data compared to some of the posted figures here.

Can those that throwing figures around provide a valid gov link to substantiate the number please? I have tried. but maybe looking in the wrong places.

I can see the 13 thousand per annum quota for offshore processed that still occurs, the 50k illegals is eluding me

 

[drsmith]

And some more on the subject from the Australian......Labor tried to bucket the government yesterday on paying people smugglers but silence today they blown apart with hypocrisy....It has all come back to bite them on the backside.

Or Bill Shorten.

He could have been set up on this from within.

 

[drsmith]

Wouldn't that be a turnup if the payments actually happened under Labor's watch

http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2015/06/16/australia-s-boat-payment-policy-four-years-old.html

It took a while but the ABC too is finally on the ball on that.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-06-...to-say-if-labor-paid-people-smugglers/6550268

 

[trainspotter]

It took a while but the ABC too is finally on the ball on that.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-06-...to-say-if-labor-paid-people-smugglers/6550268

Our home is girt by sea; Our land abounds in nature's gifts etc etc .... you get the drift.

Not only the ABC has questioned the ethics?

And, as Mr Shorten's face took on that green patina suggesting seasickness, there was this: "We don't know who paid what to where. When it comes to national security, there is bipartisan on that."

By which he meant no one talked about operational matters; and certainly not what ASIS might have done with great wads of secret cash when Labor was in power.

Which, he almost certainly saw by then, left him a pretext short of justification for demanding to know what the Coalition's secret operatives had been up to on the ocean.

And so the subject was allowed to sink without trace, as often happens when politicians find themselves at sea clutching at nothing more than a pot or a kettle.

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-polit...n-vain-for-secret-asylum-20150616-ghpfu9.html

 

[Tisme]

Of course to agree to Labor doing it would be tantamount to the LNP doing it too, so neither of them did it..... did they

 

[drsmith]

Apparently it cost us $450k per person per year to detain a wannabe migrant on the prison islands.

I was looking at the various dot gov dot au sites regarding the number of "illegal" boat people let into the country and allowed to stay and I'm confused at the difference between the statistical data compared to some of the posted figures here.

Can those that throwing figures around provide a valid gov link to substantiate the number please? I have tried. but maybe looking in the wrong places.

I can see the 13 thousand per annum quota for offshore processed that still occurs, the 50k illegals is eluding me

If you can't find the figures on the number of boat arrivals during Labor's time in office, you're not looking hard enough. Denial isn't prevention.

I used to compile a weekly tally in this thread and at its worst, we were averaging about 1,000 boat arrivals per week. The numbers are a lot simpler to add up now.

As for some more detail on the most recent turnback, the following article is quiet interesting,

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-06-...il-boat-turnback-and-alleged-payments/6551472

 

[Tisme]

So no .gov figures available?