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luutzu said:
Upto 700 asylum seekers from Libya drowned when ship capsized. Bringing total of drowning to 1500 so far this year. Last year 3000 drowned crossing the Mediterranean from North Africa.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/hundreds-feared-dead-after-migrant-boat-capsizes-in-mediterranean/article24018773/
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Yes it's not good, much better to get people where they came from, to treat them nicely.
Rather than have to get get people in other, countries to take them in .

Why is it that the world has to accept refugees? Rather than punish the oppressor?

That even goes down to individual level, a murderer says 20 years is an excessive punishment, the victim serves eternity.
Weird, these days the more we excuse bad behaviour, the more we encourage it.:2twocents
 
sptrawler said:
Yes it's not good, much better to get people where they came from, to treat them nicely.
Rather than have to get get people in other, countries to take them in .

Why is it that the world has to accept refugees? Rather than punish the oppressor?

That even goes down to individual level, a murderer says 20 years is an excessive punishment, the victim serves eternity.
Weird, these days the more we excuse bad behaviour, the more we encourage it.:2twocents
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Candidly speaking, I believe the West should have left Gadaffi and Saddam Husien to run Libya and Iraq under a dictatorship instead of imposing democracy.....In fact the West should have stayed out of the middle East altogether....Let the Shiites, the Sunnis and the Kurds sort out their own problems...Dictatorship works better in those countries.
Maybe there would not have been so many drownings in the Mediterranean.
I am not so sure about Bin Laddin.
 
noco said:
Candidly speaking, I believe the West should have left Gadaffi and Saddam Husien to run Libya and Iraq under a dictatorship instead of imposing democracy.....In fact the West should have stayed out of the middle East altogether....Let the Shiites, the Sunnis and the Kurds sort out their own problems...Dictatorship works better in those countries.
Maybe there would not have been so many drownings in the Mediterranean.
I am not so sure about Bin Laddin.
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The West was quite happy to let Gaddafi and Hussein run Libya and Iraq as long as they (we) got the oil.

The West had little role in the overthrow of Gaddafi. Saddam bought about his own downfall when he attacked Kuwait thereby threatening Western oil supplies.

What the West should not have done in the first place was sell weapons to ME countries, but instead should have imposed a blockade so that other countries could not get weapons in either. The excess of weapons in the area is the reason that there are so many troubles.
 
noco said:
Candidly speaking, I believe the West should have left Gadaffi and Saddam Husien to run Libya and Iraq under a dictatorship instead of imposing democracy.....In fact the West should have stayed out of the middle East altogether....Let the Shiites, the Sunnis and the Kurds sort out their own problems...Dictatorship works better in those countries.
Maybe there would not have been so many drownings in the Mediterranean.
I am not so sure about Bin Laddin.
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Here's an interesting series of interview with former CIA Analyst and Case Officer, turned torture leaker and then put under house arrest for 30months.

Only 3 of the 8 parts interview released so far, but definitely another perspective to the US/Western roles in the ME.

Traces how he have always thought his country, the US, is that shining city on the hill... got recruited into the CIA, see that it do bad things but always do it for good reasons... or at least do it for the national interest and that's how it ought to be and he's fine with that... then I'm guessing it went beyond that and his conscience, which he said always has sociopathic tendency, can't handle it.

There's a funny part where he said this Kuwaiti guy came up to him and said that the US is only in Kuwait for its own national interests... and he's like, why else would we be here. And why else would you want us here if not for your national interest.

In part 2 and 3 he talks about Saddam and Kuwait... how Saddam interpret a US ambassador's meeting with him as a greenlight for him to take over Kuwait when in fact the US is only OK with him taking over a small oilfield near the border with Kuwait - that CIA/US expects it, would be fine with it... but Saddam thought he got the all clear for the entire state and there we go - all the freedom and liberty that follow with Desert Storm.

 
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SirRumpole said:
The West was quite happy to let Gaddafi and Hussein run Libya and Iraq as long as they (we) got the oil.

The West had little role in the overthrow of Gaddafi. Saddam bought about his own downfall when he attacked Kuwait thereby threatening Western oil supplies.

What the West should not have done in the first place was sell weapons to ME countries, but instead should have imposed a blockade so that other countries could not get weapons in either. The excess of weapons in the area is the reason that there are so many troubles.
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The overthrow of Gadaffi....both the UK and France had intensive bombing campaigns ,and when it was all over Obama bragged that he was responsible for the overthrow of Gadaffi.
What a mess there is in Libya now...the richest country in Africa is now a basket case.
The best advice to the west is to stay out of adventures that they do not understand .Plenty of refugees around now.
 
SirRumpole said:
The West was quite happy to let Gaddafi and Hussein run Libya and Iraq as long as they (we) got the oil.

The West had little role in the overthrow of Gaddafi. Saddam bought about his own downfall when he attacked Kuwait thereby threatening Western oil supplies.

What the West should not have done in the first place was sell weapons to ME countries, but instead should have imposed a blockade so that other countries could not get weapons in either. The excess of weapons in the area is the reason that there are so many troubles.
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I thought the US bomb key military installations, weaken Gaddafi's armed forces and that led to his lynching.

Saw some doco a while back and it said that under Susan Rice/W Bush, Gaddafi was about to be brought back from the cold. That they have negotiated whereby he would agree to pay $1billion to the victims of that plane bombing etc.... but he did that and then do something else the US didn't like so there he goes.

With Saddam, the US has always been OK with him in power because he represent a balancing force against Iranian/Shiite dominance in the region. But he decided maybe he can sell his oil to a new exchange headed by Russia/China instead of the current USDollar exchange system the "international community" favours. So that's not very democratic.


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Back to the refugees crisis on the Mediterranean... they're not all terrorists or terrorists to be, just civilians trying to escape one big bloody war zone that's been going on for at least 13 years and doesn't look like it's going to get better anytime soon.

If we're in their shoes, and Australia is overrun by the new imperial China, most of us would be call "terrorists" in the People's Daily and the others would all want to get on a boat and head to New Zealand and Tasmania too.
 
Read the headlines and it seem there's no refugees or asylum seeker issues, just "migrant" issues. There's no need to say it's illegal of course, the read can assume that decent, law-abiding "migrants" would be travelling by planes.

It's like, what wars? What humanitarian crises? Just a migration issue with lots of illegal "migrants" drowning and the EU will now review this "migrant" problem.

Guess them migrants should have gotten in line and wait for legal migration like, say, those with $USD350,000+ in their account, a university degree and wanting to migrate because the job prospect in the home country isn't as sweet.
 
The fact that OSB is still well and truly alive and stopping the boats is getting to the child senator,

She later told ABC: "The minister is torturing this little child and I don't use those words lightly. We know that the detention has caused these issues for her. Her mental health has deteriorated."

Mr Dutton responded with venom.

"That's a repugnant statement, even beneath Sarah Hanson-Young, particularly given that 1200 people died at sea while the Greens were in government with Labor."
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http://www.smh.com.au/federal-polit...aims-hes-torturing-child-20150423-1mrdxb.html
 
From the article above,

"It [turning back boats] will never be in the party platform, but the platform needs to be broad enough for it to be able to happen. Hopefully, we never have to do it."
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Soft as putty.

The only hardness there is the stare from the left,

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The April OSB update has no boats, no arrivals by boat and another 12 voluntary returns to country of origin from Regional Processing Centres for the month taking this total since OSB commenced on 18 September 2013 to 512.

http://newsroom.customs.gov.au/chan...s/releases/monthly-operational-update-april-3

http://newsroom.customs.gov.au/chan...ration-sovereign-borders-monthly-update-april
 
Another rally cry from the chain mail brigade :D Who gave these people a tin star to uphold the social conscience of Australia? Apparently we even won the war in France ...go figure :cool:

I too lament the good old days when we had good old fashioned British disdain and hatred for anything darker than a whiter shade of pale. When we freely called wogs wops and dagos, when abos where good at asking for a shilling and a Rothmans' Pilter, when takeaway food was fish and chips sometimes gentrified with vinegar, when a singlet wearing real man could keep the trouble and strife in tow by threats of violence, when women themselves were seconds to men, there is just so much of a good thing that has been taken away because of these unwelcomed migrants ... we should have stuck with the turn style that only allowed the bog Oirish and the Londeners in, and of course the Scots for their shop steward prowess.

MY BLOODY OATH!


Below is a letter passed onto me by another "True Blue Aussie".

After you have read the letter and say "My Bloody Oath" then you are truly an Australian.

Letter to the Editor and every Australian, by the True Blue Aussie.

So many letter writers have explained how this land is made up of immigrants.

Maybe we should turn to our history books and point out to people why today's Australian is not willing to accept the new kind of immigrant any longer.


Back in 1900 (after federation) when there was a rush from all areas of Europe to come to Australia, people had to get off a ship and stand in a long line in Sydney, Melbourne, Adelaide, Perth and be documented.


Some would even get down on their hands and knees and kiss the ground.


They made a pledge to uphold the laws and support their new country in good and bad times.


They made learning English a primary rule in their new Australian households and some even changed their names to blend in with their new home.


They had waved good bye to their birth place to give their children a new life and did everything in their power to help their children assimilate into one culture.


Nothing was handed to them. No free lunches, no welfare, no labour laws to protect them. All they had were the skills, craftsmanship and desire they had brought with them to trade for a future of prosperity.


Most of their children came of age when World War II broke out.


Australians fought alongside men whose parents had come straight over from Germany, Italy, France, Japan, Czechoslovakia, Russia, Sweden, Poland and so many other places.


None of these first generation Australians ever gave any thought about what country their parents had come from.


They were Australians fighting Hitler, Mussolini and the Emperor of Japan. They were defending the Freedom as one people.


When we liberated France, no-one in those villages was looking for the Ukrainian-Australian or the German-Australian or the Irish-Australian.


The people of France saw only Australians. And we carried one flag that represented our country.


Not one of those immigrant sons would have thought about picking up another country's flag and waving it to represent who they were.


It would have been a disgrace to their parents who had sacrificed so much to be here. These immigrants truly knew what it meant to be an Australian.


Here we are in 2015 with a new kind of immigrant who wants the same rights and privileges, but not to learn or speak English. They want to achieve it by playing with a different set of rules, one that includes an Australian passport and a guarantee of being faithful to their mother country.


That's not what being an Australian is all about.


Australians have been very open-hearted and open-minded regarding immigrants, whether they were fleeing poverty, dictatorship, persecution, or whatever else makes us think of those aforementioned immigrants who truly did ADOPT our country, our flag, our morals and our customs, and left their wars, hatred, and divisions behind.


I believe that the immigrants who landed in Australia in the early 1900s deserve better than that for the toil, hard work and sacrifice.


I think they would be appalled that they are being used as an example by those waving foreign country flags, fighting foreign battles on our soil, making Australians change to suit their religions and cultures, and wanting to change our country's fabric by claiming discrimination when we do not give in to their demands.


It's about time we get real and stand up for our forefathers rights, we are AUSTRALIANS!


Lest we forget it!!!


NO MORE POLITICAL CORRECTNESS. NO MORE not saying CHRISTMAS in our stores and in our schools. I eat pork, I drink beer and I want my Australia back!


Hope this letter is read by millions of people all across Australia and Aussies living overseas.


PS Please pass this on to everyone you know to help ensure our country is not taken over by radical non-Australians!!!


KEEP THIS LETTER MOVING!!
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Tisme said:
Another rally cry from the chain mail brigade :D Who gave these people a tin star to uphold the social conscience of Australia? Apparently we even won the war in France ...go figure :cool:

I too lament the good old days when we had good old fashioned British disdain and hatred for anything darker than a whiter shade of pale. When we freely called wogs wops and dagos, when abos where good at asking for a shilling and a Rothmans' Pilter, when takeaway food was fish and chips sometimes gentrified with vinegar, when a singlet wearing real man could keep the trouble and strife in tow by threats of violence, when women themselves were seconds to men, there is just so much of a good thing that has been taken away because of these unwelcomed migrants ... we should have stuck with the turn style that only allowed the bog Oirish and the Londeners in, and of course the Scots for their shop steward prowess.
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Never let a batch of neophytes go by without oiling them up with some rose tinted crypto fascist tosh(beautiful irony considering the writer mangled references). The last thing you want is to expose them to some hard arsed actual history. Thinking will beget thinking, and god knows where that would lead...

And as I write here it's noted that the Philippines are looking to their moral and treaty obligations as to the poor wretch's of the Bay of Bengal.... no doubt that Abbott will see this as a crack in the damned.
 
Don't get too carried away gentlemen.

Just because I haven't posted for a while doesn't mean I'm not watching.
 
sptrawler said:
Doc, I found this article interesting, apparently everyone else has been turning the boats back.:D

And we were told Abbott was the only one doing it.:eek:

Shows, not everything you read, is fact.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-05-...ns-hold-crisis-meeting-over-migration/6482426
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What's also interesting in relation to that is this,

The sudden crackdown on Bay of Bengal illegal migrants by Thai authorities 20 days ago stopped dead the people-smuggling boats leaving Bangladesh and Myanmar.

In the first three months of this year, people traffickers were moving 25,000 people through the Bay of Bengal towards Thailand and Malaysia, the UN’s refugee agency estimated.

“Since May 1, there’s no more boats leaving,” said a refugees relief agency official in Bangkok. “A $US250 million industry has been interrupted.”

The Thai Navy for a decade has been quietly pushing boatloads of Rohingya asylum-seekers away from the Andaman coast, often with acute brutality, but recently with additional fuel, food and water and a benign wave towards Malaysia.

The Thais call this “helping them on”.

Southern Thailand is also the hub of a cruel trade in illegal migrants, transiting illegal work-seekers and refugees from origin countries to Malaysia…

At the same time, the Malaysians made clear they would accept no more Rohingyas as asylum-seekers ”” more than 45,000 are registered as refugees and asylum-seekers. There is another 12,300 Myanmarese Muslims of other ethnicities.
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http://blogs.news.com.au/dailyteleg...m_1200_deaths_and_the_high_risk_of_terrorism/

The full article from The Australian is behind a pay wall.

My bolds.
 

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