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banco said:
I know you are not very bright but she is the Australian Human Rights Commissioner. But you're right that criticizing ISIS would be a very bold stand to take for an Australian public servant and would have a really big impact.
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Yes, of course, Australia is so important on the world stage that nothing else that goes on outside our borders need concern us.
Triggs would be more bold if she were able to put the issues on Manus Island into perspective.
 
Perhaps we should be doing the same here in Australian.....No more pussy footing around with the known trouble makers...Send them back to where they came from and do it fast.

Norway deports radical muslims:
Crime rate drops 31%

Oslo, Norway: "The world's largest gang of thugs, murderers, and rapists is masquerading as a religion of peace," says Adrian Stavig, a resident of Oslo.

Beginning this past January, the new Norwegian Prime Minister, Erna Solberg began a program which targets and deports muslims who have ties to radical groups.

While many in America would say this is racist, it's worked in dramatic fashion.
Violent crimes are down more than 31% in Norway.
Perhaps the rest of Europe and the United States could learn a lesson or two about radical Islam here.
Deport the radicals, keep the moderates, and everybody wins.

From Oslo local news:

A record number of people were deported by Norwegian authorities in October, said government sources.
The National Police Immigration Service Norway (Politiets Utlendingsenhet – PU) deported 824 people in October, which is a new record.
The previous record was set in September, the month prior, when 763 people were deported, reported Dagsavisen.
PU believe some of the reasons for the rise in figures are more resources, more staff and a change of “portfolio priorities”. It has also become easier for Norwegian authorities to deport people back to Afghanistan and Nigeria.
Kristin Kvigne, head of PU, said to Dagsavisen: “This month helps us reach our goal for this year.”
Norway’s government has ruled that 7,100 people will be deported in 2014. At the end of October, PU had deported 5,876 people so far this year.
A percentage of those deported in 2014 were asylum seekers who had their application for continued asylum rejected. They were then deported along with their families. The majority of deportees, however, had committed crimes, or had returned illegally to Norway after being deported.
Kvigne said it was important to view the high number of deportations made by PU in the context of falling crime rates across the country.

Not everybody in Norway is happy with the increased deportations.
One academic slammed the new policies:

“Norwegian women must take responsibility for the fact that muslim men find their manner of dress provocative. And since these men believe women are responsible for rape, the women must adapt to the multicultural society around them.” – Dr. Unni Wikan, Professor of Social Anthropology at the University of Oslo
So, Dr Wikan, using your logic, it is the victim's fault they have been raped?
Not in this universe.
You sir may have book smarts, but you sure don't have any common sense.

And there you have it! Kicking out radical mMuslims makes a nation safer and peaceable.
Women can walk around without fear of being raped, people just get along a lot better.


 
Knobby22 said:
Article looks a bit suss.
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noco said:
These links may be of assistance to suspicions.

http://enzaferreri.blogspot.com.au/2014/11/norway-says-enough-deports-record.html#axzz3TOSbX01C

http://speisa.com/modules/articles/...gal-immigrants-next-year-government-says.html
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Noco, as much as I like the story you posted, Norway deports radical muslims: Crime rate drops 31%, I also believe it is a bit sus in that it has taken some actual facts and embellished them.

The links you posted only support the un-embellished facts, which are that:
- Norway has been deporting immigrants/foreigners who are either illegal or have been involved in crime
- The number of deportations has been increasing
- The deportations have saved Norwegian society money (i.e. the cost of keeping them in jail)

Here is another link that supports the above http://www.norwaypost.com/index.php/news/latest-news/30293

However, there does not appear to be any substantiation of the following:

- That the deportation program specifically targets radical muslims
- That most if not all of the people deported are muslims
- That Norway’s crime rate has dropped 31%

Interestingly, a report from the USA Library of Congress (which is presumably trustworthy) says that hundreds of the deported ‘foreigners’ manage to return to the country. This alone casts strong doubt on the claim that Norway’s crime rate has dropped 31% unless one assumes that after their deportation experience these foreigners return to Norway but don’t commit any more crimes. But that is clearly contradicted by the Library of Congress report, viz

Norway: Government Plans to Crack Down on Returning Foreign Convicts
http://www.loc.gov/lawweb/servlet/lloc_news?disp3_l205403508_text

Even though the deportation rate of foreigners convicted of crimes in Norway has been much higher in recent years, statistics that had formerly been withheld by the government indicate "that hundreds of them have managed to return despite being officially barred from re-entry. They're often discovered only when they commit new crimes and are arrested once again, but sometimes not even then."

According to police lawyer Kjell Johan Abrahamsen, the foreign convicts who return to the country face a punishment that is "simply too mild," and re-incarceration in a Norwegian prison does not faze them. Abrahamsen stated, "Norway has nice prisons, and they know that inmates also get paid … around USD 10 a day."
 
If you Australians don't shut up about us shooting people, we will send 10,000 asylum seekers. Great movie script.
 
sptrawler said:
If you Australians don't shut up about us shooting people, we will send 10,000 asylum seekers. Great movie script.
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I can hear the dramatic music. I can imagine some Indonesians might join the fun also.

Let's see the Australian navy stop 1000 boats.
 
Knobby22 said:
I can hear the dramatic music. I can imagine some Indonesians might join the fun also.

Let's see the Australian navy stop 1000 boats.
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We still have plenty to bright orange lifeboats at the ready but it's just outspoken bluster of the type we've heard before.

It's not in Indonesia's or Australia's interests to have people smuggling operations passing through Indonesia.
 
Has Tanya Plibersek pulled the bung on bipartisanship over Andrew Chan and Myuran Sukumaran with the following,

LABOR’s deputy leader Tanya Plibersek says Australia’s hard-line policy on turning back asylum-seeker boats may have impeded negotiation efforts to spare Andrew Chan and Myuran Sukumaran from the death penalty in Indonesia.

Defending Labor’s opposition to the turn-back policy, Ms Plibersek said the government’s position had damaged the relationship between Indonesia and Australia.

She linked the turn-back program to Tony Abbott’s failure last week to secure a phone conversation with President Joko Widodo about the Bali Nine case.

“We certainly have been opposed to turnbacks,” Ms Plibersek told Sky News’s Australian Agenda program.

“Tony Abbott can’t get a phone call returned from the Indonesian President - it has

affected our relationship with Indonesia in the past, it (the turnback policy) has not been good for it.”

The comments from Labor’s foreign affairs spokeswoman come as the two Australian drug couriers remain on an Indonesian island prison awaiting a decision on their execution date.

Last week, Mr Abbott said he his request to speak to President Widodo about the case had not been accommodated after several days’ delay.

“I’m keen to talk to him again but, in the end, I can request, he may or may not accept. That’s the situation,” Mr Abbott said.

When asked if she was making a direct link between the Prime Minister’s unreturned call and the government’s migration policy, Ms Plibersek said: “No, I’m saying the relationship hasn’t been good in recent times.”

Ms Plibersek said Labor remained opposed to turning back asylum seeker boats, and would look at new regional partnerships - such as the abandoned Malaysian solution - if it was elected.

“I am confident that if we are to form government after the next election that we could continue to keep people safe and to make regional arrangements with our neighbours,” she said.

“It is our intention to continue to see as few or no boats coming to Australia as possible, but we also say it is important that we treat people with respect and dignity.”
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http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...-bali-pair-labor/story-fn59nm2j-1227263290290
 
A spokesman for Tanya Plibersek back-pedaling fast,

At the weekend Plibersek linked the boat turnback policy, which is the cornerstone of the government’s anti-people-smuggling measures, with a souring relationship between leaders.

“We certainly have been opposed to turnbacks,” Plibersek told Sky News. “Tony Abbott can’t get a phone call returned from the Indonesian president – it has affected our relationship with Indonesia in the past. It has not been good for it.”

The prime minister, Tony Abbott, has asked to speak to the Indonesian president, Joko Widodo, about the Bali Nine drug traffickers Andrew Chan and Myuran Sukumaran, who are on death row in Indonesia.
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A spokesman for Plibersek said that her statements “were in relation to a different matter” and not in relation to Chan and Sukumaran.

“Labor doesn’t play politics with this highly sensitive matter – it’s too important,” the spokesman said. “Labor has always offered the government every support in efforts to have clemency granted for these two young men.”
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Where's the ABC ?

http://www.theguardian.com/australi...ted-by-coalition-over-boat-turn-back-comments
 
Despite the government's continuing success in this policy area, Labor and the Greens still want the boats to return,

Government's plan to lower protection threshold likely to be stymied in Senate.
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http://www.smh.com.au/federal-polit...-to-be-stymied-in-senate-20150317-1m1ez3.html

Labor has vowed to oppose the lower threshold and will move amendments to several other provisions. These include one that would refuse protection visas to those who do not provide evidence of their identity without a valid explanation. Another change requires asylum seekers to specify all arguments to support their claims from the outset.

Greens senator Sarah Hanson-Young says the legislation will deny refugee protection to those who are thought to have, or who actually have, provided false identity, citizenship or nationality documents.
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sptrawler said:
As per Fairfax, way too focused on bagging the coalition.

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I do think we should push the ABC to carry out a fact check on how they treated the ALP Govt versus the LNP govt.

It's kind of odd that we accept the ABC as a classic exemplar of facts when it comes to the "fact checks", but balk at other things we suspect are political persuasions. :rolleyes:
 

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