Asylum immigrants - Green Light

[bunyip]

Sorry....couldn't resist.

News flash....
The Australian Navy intercepted a boatload of people off the coast of Darwin today

This placed the Navy in an awkward position, as the boat was not heading to,
but away from Australia, towards Indonesia.

Another surprise finding was that the boat was loaded with

Aussies who were all seniors of pension age.

Their claim was that they were trying to get to Indonesia so as to be able to
return to Australia as illegal immigrants and therefore be entitled to far more
benefits than they were receiving as legitimate Australian pensioners.

The Navy it is believed gave them food, water and fuel and assisted them on their journey.

We are booking on the next boat out.

Let me know if you want to come.

ALL THE BEST AND REMEMBER YOU HAVE TO BE OVER 65 !

 

[Tisme]

I thought our constitution permit freedom of religion.

.

Only if it's in the majority community good.


"4.23 In recent years, the High Court has demonstrated a general trend towards
greater awareness of human rights in a number of recent decisions.
Despite this, the wording of s. 116, nonetheless, remains limited in scope.
Alone, it does not amount to a constitutional guarantee of the right to
freedom of religion and belief.
24
Extending the scope of Section 116
4.24 In recent years, there have been suggestions that the negative protections
in the Constitution should be supplemented by legislation to achieve
greater positive protection. The High Court has not proved eager to
extend interpretations of s. 116 in this way. Examining cases in which it
has considered s. 116, Michael Hogan argued that:
25
All the indications are that s. 116 imposes scarcely any restraint on
a determined Commonwealth Government and offers virtually no
guarantee of religious freedom or equality to the churches.
26
and that,
Religious freedom has a value in the Commonwealth constitution
only in so far as the practise of such freedom does not offend
against the accustomed community rights of other Australians.
That this is the exact opposite of what could be expected from a
provision guaranteeing religious freedom against the ‘tyranny of
the majority’ has not concerned the High Court.
27
4.25 Similarly, Stephen McLeish argued that s. 116 needs to be made more
coherent, particularly by developing a reading which pays greater
attention to civil rights rather than legislative power.
28
4.26 Some academics have argued that the most obvious addition would be to
extend the operation of s. 116 to the States. "
http://www.aph.gov.au/parliamentary...es_committees?url=jfadt/religion/relchap4.pdf

 

[SirRumpole]

and that,
Religious freedom has a value in the Commonwealth constitution
only in so far as the practise of such freedom does not offend
against the accustomed community rights of other Australians.
That this is the exact opposite of what could be expected from a
provision guaranteeing religious freedom against the ‘tyranny of
the majority’ has not concerned the High Court.

All very sensible. After all satanism could be regarded as a religion, and we don't really want people to have the right to practise human sacrifice and similar do we ?

 

[Calliope]

The only present day religion, that I know of, that supports human sacrifices to an imaginary god is Islamism...in fact they shout "Abu Akbar" when doing the killing.

 

[Tisme]

The only present day religion, that I know of, that supports human sacrifices to an imaginary god is Islamism...in fact they shout "Abu Akbar" when doing the killing.

Apart from Gary Ablett Snr, are their unimagined Gods?! I've been looking for a real life deity, but been making do with his facebook interface instead https://www.facebook.com/TheGoodLordAbove

I was also wondering how many of those young Islamists who have gone off to the middle east for mass murder adventure have actually been spirited away by the west to places unknown, the ones who seem to slip through customs with ease and nobody gets the blame.

 

[bunyip]

I thought our constitution permit freedom of religion.

Only if it's in the majority community good.

Only a brain dead idiot would consider the poisonous dictatorship of Islam to be in the majority community good.

 

[bunyip]

Apart from Gary Ablett Snr, are their unimagined Gods?!

Tisme

Is there any chance that you could write coherently?
If you can't, maybe you should get help from someone who can.
Perhaps it would help if you proof read your posts before sending.

 

[luutzu]

Only if it's in the majority community good.


"4.23 In recent years, the High Court has demonstrated a general trend towards
greater awareness of human rights in a number of recent decisions.
Despite this, the wording of s. 116, nonetheless, remains limited in scope.
Alone, it does not amount to a constitutional guarantee of the right to
freedom of religion and belief.
24
Extending the scope of Section 116
4.24 In recent years, there have been suggestions that the negative protections
in the Constitution should be supplemented by legislation to achieve
greater positive protection. The High Court has not proved eager to
extend interpretations of s. 116 in this way. Examining cases in which it
has considered s. 116, Michael Hogan argued that:
25
All the indications are that s. 116 imposes scarcely any restraint on
a determined Commonwealth Government and offers virtually no
guarantee of religious freedom or equality to the churches.
26
and that,
Religious freedom has a value in the Commonwealth constitution
only in so far as the practise of such freedom does not offend
against the accustomed community rights of other Australians.
That this is the exact opposite of what could be expected from a
provision guaranteeing religious freedom against the ‘tyranny of
the majority’ has not concerned the High Court.
27
4.25 Similarly, Stephen McLeish argued that s. 116 needs to be made more
coherent, particularly by developing a reading which pays greater
attention to civil rights rather than legislative power.
28
4.26 Some academics have argued that the most obvious addition would be to
extend the operation of s. 116 to the States. "
http://www.aph.gov.au/parliamentary...es_committees?url=jfadt/religion/relchap4.pdf

I think that's fair enough. Reasonable.

 

[luutzu]

Only a brain dead idiot would consider the poisonous dictatorship of Islam to be in the majority community good.

I think we all agree that dictatorship of anyone, from any source, is never good. Hence, one of the best thing in our system of gov't is the separation of powers - absolute power abuse absolutely and all that.

But to think that Islam is tyrannical, harsh and unforgiving while other religion are more enlightened... that's not really thinking at all. That's those feelings in the gut one feels after having digested propaganda and opinions masquerading as News.

 

[Tisme]

Tisme

Is there any chance that you could write coherently?
If you can't, maybe you should get help from someone who can.
Perhaps it would help if you proof read your posts before sending.

You want me to dumb it down? You posted about an imaginary God, I was asking about the God that isn't imaginary.....

 

[bunyip]

You want me to dumb it down?

No thanks - it already looks dumb enough due to your use of the word 'their' when you should have used the word 'there'.

You posted about an imaginary God, I was asking about the God that isn't imaginary.....

No I did not, but if you think I did then please quote the post number you're referring to.

 

[Tisme]

No thanks - it already looks dumb enough due to your use of the word 'their' when you should have used the word 'there'.



No I did not, but if you think I did then please quote the post number you're referring to.

Fair point, my bad about the OP (actually Calliope). The there/their brain farts you can live with I'm sure

 

[bunyip]

Fair point, my bad about the OP (actually Calliope). The there/their brain farts you can live with I'm sure

Yes, I’m sure I can live with that.....if those are the worst crimes you commit then you can’t be a bad bloke. Couldn’t resist having a dig at you though.....I’m sure you’ll do the same to me if or when the opportunity presents itself.

 

[bunyip]

But to think that Islam is tyrannical, harsh and unforgiving while other religion are more enlightened... that's not really thinking at all.

The people who are ‘not really thinking at all’ are the ones who are in denial about the problems that Islam has caused in every single country in which it's gained a foothold.

 

[drsmith]

Asylum seekers on Manus Island have been quick to test the resolve of the new immigration minister,

"Take us to Australia please or we will die here.

"Please hear us Mr Peter Dutton. We know you are different, not cruel."

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-polit...utton-to-show-compassion-20150115-12qtor.html

 

[luutzu]

The people who are ‘not really thinking at all’ are the ones who are in denial about the problems that Islam has caused in every single country in which it's gained a foothold.

The world was at peace before Islam, and it is only after Islam that the world had known war and conflicts and all that terrorist stuff. Right?

I mean, the Roman love every barbarians it imposed its will on, love the Gauls so much Caesar sent about 1/3 of them to their maker early.

The Christian kingdoms of Europe... all love and no poverty or any such things before the Muslims arrived.


Must be nice to see things that way. Simple, straight forward, good is what we do evil is what they do.

 

[bunyip]

The world was at peace before Islam, and it is only after Islam that the world had known war and conflicts and all that terrorist stuff. Right?

I mean, the Roman love every barbarians it imposed its will on, love the Gauls so much Caesar sent about 1/3 of them to their maker early.

The Christian kingdoms of Europe... all love and no poverty or any such things before the Muslims arrived.


Must be nice to see things that way. Simple, straight forward, good is what we do evil is what they do.

As usual, you distort things by implying that people said or think things that they didn’t actually say or think. You do it all the time on this forum. Nobody on here has suggested there was peace in the world before Islam. Nobody on here has said the Romans were nice people.
We’re not talking about what any other mob did prior to now, we’re talking about what effect the scourge of Islam is having on the world right now.
If you want to deny that Islam is causing serious problems right now in every single country in which it’s established a foothold, and is starting to cause serious problems right here in Australia, then you’re a naive fool who needs to take your head out of the sand and get in touch with reality.

 

[bunyip]

The comments below are said to be from the Wall Street Journal following the terrorist attacks in France.
There's a lot of truth in them no matter where they're from.



The Shoe Bomber was a Muslim
The Beltway Snipers were Muslims
The Fort Hood Shooter was a Muslim
The underwear Bomber was a Muslim
The U-S.S. Cole Bombers were Muslims
The Madrid Train Bombers were Muslims
The Bafi Nightclub Bombers were Muslims
The London Subway Bombers were Muslims
The Moscow Theatre Attackers were Muslims
The Boston Marathon Bombers were Muslims
The Pan-Am flight #93 Bombers were Muslims
The Air France Entebbe Hijackers were Muslims
The Iranian Embassy Takeover, was by Muslims
The Beirut U.S. Embassy bombers were Muslims
The Libyan U.S. Embassy Attack was by Muslims
The Buenos Aires Suicide Bombers were Muslims
The Israeli Olympic Team Attackers were Muslims
The Kenyan U.S, Embassy Bombers were Muslims
The Saudi, Khobar Towers Bombers were Muslims
The Beirut Marine Barracks bombers were Muslims
The Besian Russian School Attackers were Muslims
The first World Trade Center Bombers were Muslims
The Bombay & Mumbai India Attackers were Muslims
The Achille Lauro Cruise Ship Hijackers were Muslims
The September 11th 2001 Airline Hijackers were Muslims'


Think of it:

Buddhists living with Hindus = No Problem
Hindus living with Christians = No Problem
Hindus living with Jews = No Problem
Christians living with Shintos = No Problem
Shintos living with Confucians = No Problem
Confusians living with Baha'is = No Problem
Baha'is living with Jews = No Problem
Jews living with Atheists = No Problem
Atheists living with Buddhists = No Problem
Buddhists living with Sikhs = No Problem
Sikhs living with Hindus = No Problem
Hindus living with Baha'is = No Problem
Baha'is living with Christians = No Problem
Christians living with Jews = No Problem
Jews living with Buddhists = No Problem
Buddhists living with Shintos = No Problem
Shintos living with Atheists = No Problem
Atheists living with Confucians = No Problem
Confusians living with Hindus = No Problem

Muslims living with Hindus = Problem
Muslims living with Buddhists = Problem
Muslims living with Christians = Problem
Muslims living with Jews = Problem
Muslims living with Sikhs = Problem
Muslims living with Baha'is = Problem
Muslims living with Shintos = Problem
Muslims living with Atheists = Problem
MUSLIMS LIVING WITH MUSLIMS = BIG PROBLEM

**********SO THIS LED TO *****************

They’re not happy in Gaza
They're not happy in Egypt
They're not happy in Libya
They're not happy in Morocco
They're not happy in Iran
They're not happy in Iraq
They're not happy in Yemen
They're not happy in Afghanistan
They're not happy in Pakistan
They're not happy in Syria
They're not happy in Lebanon
They're not happy in Nigeria
They're not happy in Kenya
They're not happy in Sudan

******** So, where are they happy? **********

They're happy in Australia
They're happy in England
They're happy in Belgium
They're happy in France
They're happy in Italy
They're happy in Germany
They're happy in Sweden
They're happy in the USA & Canada
They're happy in Norway & India
They're happy in almost every country that is not Islamic!




And who do they blame....

Not Islam...
Not their leadership...
Not themselves...
THEY BLAME THE COUNTRIES THEY ARE HAPPY IN!!

And they want to change the countries they're happy in, to be like the countries

they came from where they were unhappy!


Islamic Jihad: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
ISIS : AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Al-Qaeda: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Taliban: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Hamas: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Hezbollah: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Boko Haram: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Al-Nusra: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Abu Sayyaf: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Al-Badr: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Muslim Brotherhood: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Lashkar-e-Taiba: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Palestine Liberation Front: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Ansaru: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Jemaah Islamiyah: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Abdullah Azzam Brigades: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
CAIR: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
AND A LOT MORE !!!!!!!

Just an observation.......

 

[SirRumpole]

Just an observation.......

You must read the same stuff noco does



Yep, there are a lot of bad Muslim people around. May be some good ones too, I don't know I rarely meet any.

Why we have to supply prayer rooms at airports though I don't really know. It's not our fault they have to pray 5 times a day. Maybe they should work their travel arrangements around their religious observances.

 

[luutzu]

As usual, you distort things by implying that people said or think things that they didn’t actually say or think. You do it all the time on this forum. Nobody on here has suggested there was peace in the world before Islam. Nobody on here has said the Romans were nice people.
We’re not talking about what any other mob did prior to now, we’re talking about what effect the scourge of Islam is having on the world right now.
If you want to deny that Islam is causing serious problems right now in every single country in which it’s established a foothold, and is starting to cause serious problems right here in Australia, then you’re a naive fool who needs to take your head out of the sand and get in touch with reality.

Wars and conflicts happen. It happen because each side's interests does not align.

To put religion as the cause of the current conflict in the Middle East is a bit too naive and way too much ignorance of current affairs and historical context.

Take our debates. Are we debating on opposite sides because you're an Australian and I am not? You're a Catholic and White (i'm assuming) and I am not? Maybe we're not agreeing because we have different perspective, read different books and see the world differently... race or religion or age... these factors are also different between you and I, but are they the cause of our debates?

So why is it that when a Muslim does something (bad) it's Islam, but when a Muslim does not do bad, or do some good, it's not Islam but it's... Western value influencing those Muslims?


And I did not put words in your mouth. You really got to think things through and understand the implications of what you're saying. I just flesh out what you're implying.


So Muslims causes terror and unemployment and bad stuff wherever they go... Firstly, you got statistics to back that up? No. But for argument's sake let say that that's true. How do you know it's not other factors about these nasty Muslims that cause the terror, what made you think it's all just Islam?

Let say you're a Catholic. Are all your actions based on the teachings of the Bible and Jesus Christ? Or the Pope?
Do you dislike Muslims because Jesus told you or it's written somewhere or some priests lecture it?


As I've said before, I'm not denying that the terrorists we're talking about are not motivated or influenced by Islam to some extend... but If you look a bit closer, maybe the part of Islam that motivates and drove them to acts of terror against us is not that Islam is evil and tell all its followers to kill, but that the terrorists see their religion, their faith and their "brothers" being insulted and whatever other injustices they see or perceived... and from that they wage war (Jihad, Holy War) on us - their enemies.


The Zionist Jews have done it against British interests in Palestine - are we to say Judaism is evil and what not? The Christian American rebels commit terrorism against the Brits during the revolutionary war... these current Arab Muslims are waging war against us and our interests... maybe Islam is not the cause, but one of the tools and weapons they could use.

So kick Islam and treat all your fellow Australians of Islamic faith if it makes you feel safe... I'm sure better minds in charge of our security know the difference.