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as much as I disliked and criticized Gillard for her arrogance and stupidity and gross incompetence, I nevertheless gave her my tick of approval on the rare occasion I thought she got something right.
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What in particular ?
 
drsmith said:
OSB operational update for September,



In short, another month with no boats. :D

http://newsroom.customs.gov.au/chan...nt-agency-task-force-monthly-update-september
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bunyip said:
I hope the galah takes note – I distinctly recall his confident prediction that Abbot wouldn’t be able to stop the boats! :)
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IFocus said:
I was absolutely wrong about stopping the boats
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bunyip said:
Decent of you to admit it. Now how about publicly praising Abbot for his success in this area? I mean, anyone can criticize all the time, but a person with a balanced viewpoint also gives credit where credit is due.
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Still waiting.
 
Decent of you to admit it. Now how about publicly praising Abbot for his success in this area? I mean, anyone can criticize all the time, but a person with a balanced viewpoint also gives credit where credit is due.
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Again you fail to debate the threat tile " Asylum immigrants - Green Light" again you are determine to personalise the issue and again you play school yard bully determine as a result I should agree with your opinion.

Again I think Abbott is a drop kick and his cabinet 2nd rate, hell will freeze over before that truth under the sun will change.
 
In a puff piece on Bill shorten, Fairfax's chief political correspondent Mark Kenny has od'd on the Labor potion,

And in an interview with Fairfax Media before his first anniversary as Labor leader, Mr Shorten's guarded praise of the Coalition's suite of border protection policies has raised the prospect of a future Labor government adopting the same measures, including turning back boats on the ocean and temporary protection visas.
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http://www.smh.com.au/federal-polit...as-he-goes-to-electorate-20141010-1148xe.html


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IFocus said:
Again you fail to debate the threat tile " Asylum immigrants - Green Light" again you are determine to personalise the issue and again you play school yard bully determine as a result I should agree with your opinion.
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Not at all. I’m saying that your Labor heroes made a huge mistake in giving asylum seekers the green light to come to our country en masse through the help of criminals called people smugglers.
The Abbot government has very effectively put a stop to this practice. You admit you were wrong in thinking that they wouldn’t be able to do so.
Abbot’s actions were necessary and were very much to the benefit of our country, and he should be commended for his achievement. I’m inviting you, or challenging you if you prefer, to be fair-minded enough to give him credit where credit is due. It’s not a matter of trying to bully you into agreeing with my opinion. I don’t give a damn if you agree with me or not. I’m simply saying that if you do agree that Abbot should be commended for stopping the boats, then let’s see you being decent enough to do exactly that.
And if you don’t think he deserves any credit for stopping the boats, if you think he should have just continued with Labor’s open door policy that saw us being swamped by an ever-increasing number of illegal immigrants at huge and unsustainable cost to our economy, then by all means state that opinion and I’ll be happy to tear your argument to shreds.
 
drsmith said:
Labor's Richard Marles turned back by his own party on turn backs,

http://blogs.news.com.au/dailyteleg...s/labor_rejects_boats_policy_it_admits_works/
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I noted that Richard Marles conceded that Labor ‘might’ adopt a turn back the boats policy if they won government. But then he went on to say something about ‘if we got the approval of the Indonesians – that would be a game changer’. (or words to that effect)
So it appears that Labor would adopt basically the same weak-kneed approach responsible for Rudd and Gillard’s failure to stop the boats – they wouldn’t adopt ‘turn back’ unless they got the green light from Indonesia. And Indonesia would never give their approval – they want the boat people gone from Indonesia rather than having them stay there as a constant drain on the Indonesian economy.
Labor under Rudd/Gillard never caught on to one simple fact and apparently they still don’t - we don’t need Indonesia’s permission. They never sought our permission in allowing the boats crewed by Indonesians to set sail for Australia, and there’s no need for us to seek their permission to send the boats back.

The LNP has stopped the boats by adopting a ‘too bad if you’d don’t like it’ attitude towards Indonesia. Unless Labor is willing to adopt the same hard line policy if they get back in to government, then the illegal boat people shemozzle of the Rudd/Gillard era will happen all over again under the next Labor government.
 
Behind closed doors, I suspect Indonesia is happy that this government has been effective in stopping the boats. It after all reduces demand for their soil as a transit country. That we are now effectively managing our borders would also engender a level or respect even if their public commentary is otherwise.

Richard Marles was perhaps speaking his mind or perhaps not. If not, there doesn't seem much point in saying it only to be shot down from within.

All in all, it shows Labor overall still don't have a clue.
 
drsmith said:
Richard Marles was perhaps speaking his mind or perhaps not. If not, there doesn't seem much point in saying it only to be shot down from within.

All in all, it shows Labor overall still don't have a clue.
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That just about sums it up – Labor still don’t have a clue!

Remember when Gillard assembled a ‘panel of experts’ to formulate a strategy for stopping the boats? I wonder how many thousands or hundreds of thousands of dollars that cost!
Her ‘panel of experts’ didn’t include the two people who truly were experts in stopping the boats – John Howard and his Foreign Affairs minister Alexander Downer. No need for a ‘panel of experts’ if she’d consulted those two men – in just one sentence they would have given Gillard advice that would have stopped the boats if she’d implemented it. That advice would have been something along the lines of ‘Turn back the boats and don’t worry about getting permission from the Indonesians – they didn’t get our permission to send the boats to us’.
But Gillard of course was too proud and arrogant to seek advice from the opposition, so the boats continued and rapidly increased in number and now we’re still paying for it and will be for years to come.

With the recent escalation of problems in the Middle East, just imagine the number of illegal boat people we’d be getting by now if Labor was still in power. For this reason alone, we just can’t risk another Labor government in this country.
 
bunyip said:
That just about sums it up – Labor still don’t have a clue!

Remember when Gillard assembled a ‘panel of experts’ to formulate a strategy for stopping the boats? I wonder how many thousands or hundreds of thousands of dollars that cost!
Her ‘panel of experts’ didn’t include the two people who truly were experts in stopping the boats – John Howard and his Foreign Affairs minister Alexander Downer. No need for a ‘panel of experts’ if she’d consulted those two men – in just one sentence they would have given Gillard advice that would have stopped the boats if she’d implemented it. That advice would have been something along the lines of ‘Turn back the boats and don’t worry about getting permission from the Indonesians – they didn’t get our permission to send the boats to us’.
But Gillard of course was too proud and arrogant to seek advice from the opposition, so the boats continued and rapidly increased in number and now we’re still paying for it and will be for years to come.

With the recent escalation of problems in the Middle East, just imagine the number of illegal boat people we’d be getting by now if Labor was still in power. For this reason alone, we just can’t risk another Labor government in this country.
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AMEN and so say all of us.
 
noco said:
Shorten and Marles appears to be at logger heads with each other over the turn back issue.

The Green/Labor Party appear to be hell bent on going to the next election with the old Rudd/Gillard policy....I hope they do because it will political suicide for them.




http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...g-back-the-votes/story-fnihsr9v-1227106334050
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Depends if you want to believe the paper of course


"Voters would remember how Labor under Kevin Rudd scrapped the Howard government’s equally successful border policies and promptly lured more than 50,000 boat people.

That colossal blunder cost 1200 people their lives at sea and cost Australian taxpayers billions."

Then there's this:

http://artsonline.monash.edu.au/the...blications/australian-border-deaths-database/
 
The Italian Government duly launched Mare Nostrum, a policy much like the Gillard government’s, turning its navy into a taxi service.
The results were equally disastrous: illegal immigration to Italy rocketed to 150,000 a year, and drownings soared above 2500.
Shocked, Italy is now about to dismantle Mare Nostrum.

One hundred and fifty thousand illegal boat people a year or even substantially more is a very real possibility if a Shorten government is put into power at the next election. The 12 thousand million dollar cost of the problem created by the Rudd government continues to rise due to the ongoing cost of keeping these people in detention centers until they can be processed, and supporting them on welfare if they’re granted citizenship. But that cost, colossal as it is, would look like small change compared to the cost of the hordes that would soon head our way under another Labor government.
 
The latest OSB update has no boat arrivals during the month of October.

http://newsroom.customs.gov.au/chan...releases/monthly-operational-update-october-2
The number of returns though has declined.

Seven illegal maritime arrival transferees were voluntarily returned to their country of origin after electing to go home from an offshore processing centre””three Iraqis, two Iranians, and two Indians.

Three illegal maritime arrival detainees were voluntarily removed””one Iranian, one Vietnamese and one Sri Lankan.
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http://newsroom.customs.gov.au/chan...oint-agency-task-force-monthly-update-october
 
Ijustnewit said:
I just can't believe what I have just read on the ABC news.
" Tasmania touted as humane , cost effective, productive asylum seeker solution."
What the hell ? We are already the welfare capital of Australia. :confused:



http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-11-...processing-centre/5880104?WT.ac=statenews_tas
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I can’t resist making a flippant remark of ‘better Tassie than my state of Queensland’!.:)
Seriously though, IJN, I completely understand your concerns.
Pity we can’t make this Julian Burnside character live for a year or two in one of the many neighborhoods that have been completely taken over and ruined by Islamists in countries like The Netherlands – maybe then he might open his eyes and have some understanding of the potentially negative outcome of what he’s suggesting by using Tasmania as a dumping ground for illegal Islamic immigrants.
 

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