You have been on holidays and have not been cognitive enough to realise that this has already been discussed. SBY is making a BIG DEAL out of nothing as there is an election looming (Indonesia) and he is down in the polls. Money for trade will overcome all petty objections that are being thrown around by the incumbent government. Quite amazing how they did not have the resources to the South to stop the boats but the moment Aussie assets turn up on their territorial water borders there is a formidable flotilla of RED AND WHITE flags flying??
Monkey poo flinging chest beating at it's best
OMG ... now you understand what the sovereign borders policy is all about !
SBY is not up for re-election. Whoever replaces him is unlikely to be as friendly towards up as he has been. Former Indonesian leaders have been standoffish at the least and openly hostile at worst. It will take us a long time to dig ourselves out of this mess.
SBY is not up for re-election. Whoever replaces him is unlikely to be as friendly towards up as he has been. Former Indonesian leaders have been standoffish at the least and openly hostile at worst. It will take us a long time to dig ourselves out of this mess.
Sovereign borders is a lot of measures rolled into one. I agree with TPV's and offshore processing, but not with naval guerilla tactics.
Yes. we aren't flavour of the month over there with the Corby mess and the boats issue. If the navy stuffs up again we could be in real trouble. I am sure they are acting very carefully these days.
We and they will miss SBY, he has been their best leader ever imo.
I used to work there in Suharto's day.
Thanks,
If I have the time and energy to plumb the depths of this thread, I'll look it up.
I don't know about energy but you obviously have plenty of time to waste. After lying dormant for 18 months you have bombarded the forum with 84 posts in 10 days with no evidence of any research at all.
You don't appear to appreciate the difference between people killed on the high seas and deaths in Australian custody.
Assigning all blame to Labor for drownings at sea and none to Morrison for a death in his custody is one eyed.
Why do Labor supporters continue to perpetrate this myth? Less than 40% were settled in Australia.People have said that John Howard "cleaned out" the detention centres. Did these people simply disappear ? Where did they go ? The fact is that the majority of them were allowed to stay in Australia. That's a pretty "open door" result.
68 per cent of the asylum seekers were deemed genuine refugees and less than 40 per cent of asylum seekers sent to Nauru received resettlement in Australia. A 2006 report by the Australian Human Rights Commission showed that of the 1509 asylum seekers sent to Nauru by that time, 586 were granted Australian resettlement (39%), 360 resettled in New Zealand (24%), 19 resettled in Sweden (1.2%), 10 in Canada (<1%) and 4 in Norway (<1%). A total of 482 asylum seekers (32%) were deemed not genuine refugees and sent home.[21]
Why do Labor supporters continue to perpetrate this myth? Less than 40% were settled in Australia.
Here's the most detailed set of numbers I can find:
If you prefer, a majority of asylum seekers were resettled in Australia and New Zealand, ie they were found to be genuine refugees.
I wonder why no governments (or oppositions) seem concerned about the 4,000 per annum asylum seekers who arrive here by air ?
http://www.arts.monash.edu.au/mapping-population/--documents/asylum-seekers-onshore-fact-sheet.pdf
People arriving by air have a paper trail. They have a passport that reveals their country of origin. Much easier to process than people arriving by boat with no paperwork.
I accept the bit about paper trail, but the sheer numbers must place a heavy burden on the taxpayer for processing.
I accept the bit about paper trail, but the sheer numbers must place a heavy burden on the taxpayer for processing.
The fact that they have arrived by plane with paper work (ID), it is impossible for them to claim any social security from the Governent so how can they be a burden on the tax payer?....... They would either have to find work illegally or be sponsered by a relative or friend and stay under cover for the rest of their lives.
If they tried to claim social security in the way of a pension or the dole they would have to provide their details and once they do that, "BINGO" they will be caught. They would have to provide to the government deatils of where they live and their bank details.....do you think the air arrivals who over stay their visa are likely to reveal all this?
So your argument in this case has been shot down in flames.
This thread covers many of the historical issues in some depth as they occurred.Thanks,
If I have the time and energy to plumb the depths of this thread, I'll look it up.
This thread covers many of the historical issues in some depth as they occurred.
Time spent reading is infinitely more rewarding than time spent to ultimately see this fellow when looking in the mirror.
So what are you saying ? Boat arrivals =BAD, Air arrivals=GOOD ?
They fly here then apply for asylum. That's where the processing comes in. Presumably they get benefits while their case is assessed. Burden on taxpayer.
There is a story in the Age today of a "15 year old boy detained in an Australian detention centre for years..." "...his older brother was kidnapped by the Taliban and used as a mine detector until he was killed. The boys parents, rather than see thier othervson meet this fate, sold everything they owned and smuggled him to Pakistan and arranged for him to travel from Indonesia by boat to Australia. This boy later attended high school here and was celebrated as a hero by the entire school..."
Diana Greentee, Hurstbridge adds, his story is onevof many tales of courage and heartbreak.
I accept the bit about paper trail, but the sheer numbers must place a heavy burden on the taxpayer for processing.
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