Alcohol itself isn't really the problem, it is more a cultural problem I think. For example in places like Spain or France you can buy 1 litre of red wine for 1 Euro. Yet in those places I don't see the kind of mindless violence like we see here. Same goes for some Asian countries, plenty of grog around for much cheaper prices but very few violent incidences. So what is it about Aussies getting blind then giving someone a hiding or getting into sensless brawls? What about girls glassing other girls in the face? again
p!ssed and agressive behaviour. I've seen chairs get thrown through pub windows and knives get pulled at the cab rank in Manly, and Manly is suppose to be a nice seaside tourist spot.
Anyone who thinks this is a minor thing is deluding themselves, but I don't think the supply of or the price of grog has anything to do with it. Something is culturally wrong here in Australia. The roughest place I ever lived was in the Latrobe Valley in Victoria. I use to go to work on Monday and hear all my work mates bragging about how they gave somebody a good biffing over the weakend, unbelievabe but true, wasn't my kind of place and I was glad to get out of there.
Policeman kicked unconscious during party arrest
Posted March 25, 2012 10:00:14
A police officer has been kicked unconscious during a busy night in which Western Australian Police worked to tame about 10 out-of-control parties in Perth.
In the worst incident, more than 30 police vehicles were sent to a party on Coniston Way in Balga where about 120 young people were fighting and throwing bottles.
One officer was trying to arrest a man when a woman approached him from behind and kicked him unconcious.
The policeman was taken to Sir Charles Gardiner Hospital and the woman was arrested and taken to Mirrabooka Police Station for questioning.
Around the same time, a man was taken to Armadale Hospital with a suspected fractured skull after he was punched at a party in Seville Grove.
It will take more than a generation to get a peaceful, respectful, responsible culture in Australia. The situation is getting worse rather than better. Some of the issue is a soft legal stance on violence, a stupid way of dealing with drugs, ridiculous schooling, bad parenting and multiculturalism (I'm not racist, but like it or not, putting different races and religions together causes conflict. Call me racist if you like, but it would be like telling me I'm sexist for stating the fact that wives are sometimes beaten by husbands or that some women are gold diggers).
The problem there is gangs and then the police response to the situation. There is nothing to say that alcohol was even involved at all in this incident. It could have been of course, but given that we're talking about a gang I'd say it was more likely either other drugs or simply a random act.My son and his girlfriend late at night chatting with friends minding their own business on a party street in the city of Adelaide... when one of the dozen gang members who happened to be walking past gave my sons girlfriend a king hit as he went past.
But someone can smash someone's face in and they'll get a warning and suspended sentence at most. That's the problem. There are bigger penalties for comparatively trivial offences such as those I've listed. There's no actual deterrent to those who like to throw punches, and that is the crux of the problem. Get rid of overly lenient judges, "smart" lawyers and the "slap on the wrist" approach and that will fix the problem.
It will take more than a generation to get a peaceful, respectful, responsible culture in Australia. The situation is getting worse rather than better. Some of the issue is a soft legal stance on violence, a stupid way of dealing with drugs, ridiculous schooling, bad parenting and multiculturalism (I'm not racist, but like it or not, putting different races and religions together causes conflict. Call me racist if you like, but it would be like telling me I'm sexist for stating the fact that wives are sometimes beaten by husbands or that some women are gold diggers).
I didn't try to imply any such thing. I just gave you the definition of the word you used because I doubted that you had any such racist implication in mind. I thought you were perhaps trying to refer to 'gentlefolk' as in well mannered/cultured.I meant gentile as in gentry but you picked up the mistake and tried to infer I was against Jews , no matter, that was yesterday.
Many of the schools try hard but are frustrated by parents who don't support their efforts.All good points. There needs to be a cultural change and it needs to start in the homes and especially in the public school system.
This does actually happen in some instances. I've been involved for many years with a youth mentoring organisation and, until federal government funding was withdrawn last year, kids whose main purpose in life was to disrupt their classrooms, were sent to an alternative 'school' where there was a different approach. It was very successful in engaging these difficult/troubled kids and it's very short sighted of the government to withdraw funding.Private schools can throw out children who don't meet behavioural standards, and public schools should be able to do the same. They should be sent to some sort of 'boot camp' and not be allowed to hang around on the streets forming gangs and causing trouble.
Can you explain why people disposed to getting drunk and violent will no longer be so inclined if they can only buy grog before a certain time and from a bottle shop rather than with their groceries?That said, it's evident that alcohol is a major cause of civil unrest and it should be made harder to get, by means of earlier pub closing hours and taking it out of supermarkets.
Can you explain why people disposed to getting drunk and violent will no longer be so inclined if they can only buy grog before a certain time and from a bottle shop rather than with their groceries?
This does actually happen in some instances. I've been involved for many years with a youth mentoring organisation and, until federal government funding was withdrawn last year, kids whose main purpose in life was to disrupt their classrooms, were sent to an alternative 'school' where there was a different approach. It was very successful in engaging these difficult/troubled kids and it's very short sighted of the government to withdraw funding.
Violent drunks are lazy yobbos and therefore the harder you make it for them to get alcohol the less likely they are to bother. Also when they hang around in groups like at pubs mob mentality is more likely to set in and turn into a violent brawl than if they get drunk in front of their TV set.
It's a massive assumption that violent drunks are lazy yobbos.
The problem there is gangs and then the police response to the situation. There is nothing to say that alcohol was even involved at all in this incident. It could have been of course, but given that we're talking about a gang I'd say it was more likely either other drugs or simply a random act.
I've had rather a lot of involvement in this issue one way and another over the past few years and my ultimate conclusion is that "smart" lawyers, slack judges and the so-called "justice" system are the real problems.
We've had late trading nightclubs etc for decades and yet problems are relatively more recent. Partly they do probably relate to the failed "economic rationalism" which did away with many keepers of community standards (and many jobs) for no real gain in terms of cost to consumers. But a bigger part of it comes down to there simply being no consequence for breaking the law.
If I park my car too long in a legal parking space then I'll be fined for doing so. Fair enough, there's a sign and I've broken the law. Likewise I could be fined if I decided to mow the lawn at 9am on a Sunday or don't properly secure the load in the trailer on the way to the tip. Those are the sorts of crimes that the average person could foreseeably be fined for, mostly due to making simple mistakes.
But someone can smash someone's face in and they'll get a warning and suspended sentence at most. That's the problem. There are bigger penalties for comparatively trivial offences such as those I've listed. There's no actual deterrent to those who like to throw punches, and that is the crux of the problem. Get rid of overly lenient judges, "smart" lawyers and the "slap on the wrist" approach and that will fix the problem.
Reflecting on my own experience here in Hobart the trend is pretty clear.I agree with this too. Most violence I saw was from the 18 to 30 y/o age group on Friday and Saturday nights after their working week. It's the lets get p!ssed it's Friday night crowd, I've worked hard for it, it's my right. Then at 12, 1 AM or 3 AM (or chose your own closing time) when it all closes it's all hell to pay. We need cultural change, Friday night binge drinking is just stupid.
+1. Rumpole, perhaps you could explain how you have concluded that violent drunks are necessarily lazy yobbos?They'll just belt their wife/girlfriend/kids. But at least it it'll be out of sight.
It's a massive assumption that violent drunks are lazy yobbos.
+1. Rumpole, perhaps you could explain how you have concluded that violent drunks are necessarily lazy yobbos?
There are plenty of violent drunks who never go near a pub.
You would need to talk to their families, rather than make illogical assumptions.
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