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Dannyboy, that article just shows the type of people they are, unbelievable.
No respect, no care for anyone else.
Hitting 3 other people during the night before killing this child.

How do people come to this angry state of mind.

Now he is crying in the dock.
 
Tink said:
Dannyboy, that article just shows the type of people they are, unbelievable.
No respect, no care for anyone else.
Hitting 3 other people during the night before killing this child.

How do people come to this angry state of mind.

Now he is crying in the dock.
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Yeah, it's crazy.

Did you hear the parents of the accused as they were walking away from the court house yesterday???
"Please, we are going through a difficult time"
REALLY???
What about the victims family, imagine what they are going through? What your bogan son did to them.

What irks/bugs/pi$$es me off, is that the accused will go for a lessor charge of manslaughter - get 20-25 years, minus good behaviour and be out in 15, maybe less. Meanwhile, a family is missing a young man who did nothing wrong. Wrong time, wrong place. Gone forever.

I really wish that life meant life or there was the option of capital punishment.
 
The lack of an effective justice system has a lot to do with all of this.

If a punch meant prison then you can be pretty sure that there would be no need for this thread. It's the joke of a "justice" system that allows this behaviour to continue.

It's a sad reality that people can be fined $1300 if their heater emits too much smoke and in other places can be fined for watering the garden at the wrong time. But smash someone's face in and you'll get a slap on the wrist at most. Even simply parking on a city street for too long, whilst paying to do so, seems to be viewed more harshly than unprovoked violence these days. :2twocents
 
McLovin said:
No, bugger the right of the majority of those stopped by sniffer dogs who are not carrying drugs and have to go through the humilation of being searched and questioned in public.
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The slide down the slippery slope continues. How long until this sort of rubbish is implemented state wide?

NSW Police will be able to deploy drug sniffer dogs on Kings Cross streets and across the entire metropolitan rail network without a warrant as part of the state government's response to the fatal assault on teenager Thomas Kelly in Kings Cross.

...

"What will it mean for people on the trains? I think if you were to talk to most passengers on the trains, they're quite happy to share a carriage with somebody who is not drug affected or carrying drugs or in the process of going to pick up drugs," he said.
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Why would I care if someone is on the way to pick up drugs or carrying drugs anymore than I would care if someone is on the way to the pub or carrying a bottle of wine.:rolleyes:

Similarly, why would I care if someone is affected by drugs anymore than someone who is affected by alcohol.

The nanny state is approaching a police state.


http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/sniffer-dogs-and-id-scanners-for-kings-cross-20120918-26415.html
 
Oh well, if you have nothing to worry about, you wont care will you?

I am thankful they are out there keeping our public transport and wherever else safe, nothing worse seeing these half brained twits hassling the elderly, the young and all in between -- seeing these people with fear in their faces when approached is enough.
They have the right to travel in peace.
 
McLovin said:
I will care as long a the polce are able to search me without a warrant while I go about my daily business.
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Are they not already allowed to do this if they have 'reasonable cause' to suspect you are carrying something undesirable?

One of Barry O'Farrell's brainwaves is apparently that anyone wishing to enter a King's Cross drinking establishment should have to present their driver's licence to the bouncers determining the desirability or otherwise of the patrons. I can understand such patrons taking a pretty dim view of being credentialled by these dubious characters.
 
Julia said:
Are they not already allowed to do this if they have 'reasonable cause' to suspect you are carrying something undesirable?
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Yes. But in the Cross the "probable cause" part will no longer apply in relation to unreliable sniffer dogs. So you could be walking from the shops back to your apartment on a Sunday night and you may have to run the gauntlet of police with dogs. While I object on principle, given the overwhelming failure of these dogs, as highlighted by an ombudsman's report, and their tendency to provide false positives (73% of those stopped and searched were in fact not carrying drugs!!) it is even more objectionable. It's only a matter of time, IMO, until this is rolled out across the state and we have mobile random drug sniffing dogs on the streets.:rolleyes:

I should also make the point that the majority of these drug detection dogs can only detect cannabis. Apparently the training required to make a dog able to smell more serious drugs is prohibitively expensive for this sort of work.

Julia said:
One of Barry O'Farrell's brainwaves is apparently that anyone wishing to enter a King's Cross drinking establishment should have to present their driver's licence to the bouncers determining the desirability or otherwise of the patrons. I can understand such patrons taking a pretty dim view of being credentialled by these dubious characters.
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Ridiculous, isn't it! Most of the bouncers in the X are thugs, with bikie affiliations. Hardly who you want to be handing over anything with your address details on it. Not only that but it will all go into a massive database so that if you get kicked out of one pub then your license will remain on file so that you can't get into other establishments.
 
Tink said:
Talking about policing -- what a fabulous job the police, the CCTV, and the public have done regarding the ABC worker, Jill.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-09-27/man-charged-with-rape-murder-of-jill-meagher/4284826

I can see the push for more CCTV's being the next call.
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MrBurns said:
Just posted on that before I saw yours but I completely agree the more cameras out there the better, I don't really care about privacy in public places, there isn't any anyway.
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If you want to completely stop crime why not just microchip everyone with a gps tracker?? :rolleyes:
 
Tink said:
Oh well, if you have nothing to worry about, you wont care will you?
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what a slippery slope with that sort of argument...

all thatll happen is this, the people who have something to hide wont be going to those clubs/pubs in the cross with the ID check, more will gravitate to oxford street and surrey, which is a shame cos its mainly westy bogans in the cross expect for a few clubs, so we can sorta get away from them atm when the 'M crowd' comes into the city.
 
Yes, dutchie, makes me very angry as that could very easily have been my own son, minding his own business with his friends.

Something has to change....
 
Mandatory sentencing would fix it real quick.

It would upset a few, but it would fix the situation that there are no real consequences for breaking the law and therefore no real reason to obey it unless you want to.

Same goes for a few other crimes, arson comes immediately to mind as one that needs harsh punishment.:2twocents
 
Smurf1976 said:
Mandatory sentencing would fix it real quick.

It would upset a few, but it would fix the situation that there are no real consequences for breaking the law and therefore no real reason to obey it unless you want to.

Same goes for a few other crimes, arson comes immediately to mind as one that needs harsh punishment.:2twocents
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The death penalty has been proven to not be a deterent, so I doubt mandatory sentencing will do much except clog up the gaols and appease talkback radio. The proven best deterent to any crime is increasing the chance of being caught and convicted, not increasing the sentence. Generally, in these incidents the perpetrators are not hardened criminals, they're just boozed up idiots who don't think about the consequences of their actions. For the overwhelming majority knowing they have directly caused someone to lose their life is a far greater sentence than any court could impose.

Mandatory sentencing also has the unintended consequence of making the prosecution the defacto judiciary. There is a reasonable argument to be made about the seperation of powers.
 
Well here is hoping Smurf
RIP David

Thought I would share this poem that was sent...

If I could take back time

I am young fit and healthy
Been working hard all year
... It’s New Years Eve 2013
Time to celebrate … drink beer

Going out for pizza
Just me mates and me
See a group of lads out front
My fists want to fly free

I give one a hip n shoulder
See if he will fight
Gotta impress my bro’s
It’s been a quiet night

Walking away what a pussy
It’s too late for me to stop
I bring my bro’s into a fray
Three punches I watch him drop

Alpha males that is us
One KO’d one broken jaw
Gotta get out of here quick
Or we might face the law

When sober the next day
We hear the news in shock
The guy I hit has just died
His head hit concrete like a rock

If only I can turn back time
I’d breeze past them like a snail
Leave the poor kid get a pizza
Instead I face years in jail
 

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