Freedom of speech and protest

[luutzu]

Muslim terrorists do what they do in the name of their religion, which sort of negates your statement above.

Yea, and Trump, Bush Jr., Obama, every other warmongers also bomb and destroy cities in the name of their religion and their people too.

Should the American people be blamed for those war crimes?

How about all the Jewish people of the world? Should they also be blamed for the genocidal, racist bs Israel and its King Yahoo claims to be doing in the name of the Jewish faith?

There's an American of Jewish descent who recently condemn his idiot nephew for his full-throated support for Trump and this Muslim ban, the "war" on "immigrants", excusing the separation of children from their parents.

The man said that if the US were to do the same thing his screwed up nephew is proposing and supporting to brown nose his way to power, his entire family would have been wiped out by the Nazi 100 years ago.

Aren't one of the Western value that thing about individualism?

 

[cynic]

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Try applying the same set of rules and generalisation we're applying to the Muslims. We're not going to like what we see in "ourselves".

So by all mean call out the terrorists, just don't think that they're terrorist because a religion or a culture tells them so.

On those last two paragraphs, I am in partial agreement.

However, I do believe that the unabated practice of that most popular of all religions, namely HolierThanThouism, to be the more likely precursor to the emergence of zealous extremism.

 

[Tisme]

You tell me, and then tell me if they are going around killing innocent people on the streets or planning terrorist attacks.

Or just plain vandalism:

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018...coordinated-fire-bomb-rampage-across-multiple

 

[wayneL]

Any weak idiot can trample on the weak and the despised. What takes cajones is standing up for them because it is the right thing to do.

Emotive and not what was mooted Grasshopper. Additionally "the right thing to do" has hierarchial imperitives, sans hyterical appeals to emotion, in a msturely conducted debate.

What is right for Yusaf the beheader from Syria, might not be the right thing for Janey the 16yo white girl from Balmain.

Let's have a *sober discussion my orthoptarian friend.

 

[luutzu]

On those last two paragraphs, I am in partial agreement.

However, I do believe that the unabated practice of that most popular of all religions, namely HolierThanThouism, to be the more likely precursor to the emergence of zealous extremism.

I don't think I'm better than anybody else. Though I probably am better than a lot of people. See, not very extreme at all. Very middle of the road awesomeness.

 

[luutzu]

Emotive and not what was mooted Grasshopper. Additionally "the right thing to do" has hierarchial imperitives, sans hyterical appeals to emotion, in a msturely conducted debate.

What is right for Yusaf the beheader from Syria, might not be the right thing for Janey the 16yo white girl from Balmain.

Let's have a *sober discussion my orthoptarian friend.

Judge, or not judge, people for their crimes and not the crimes of others. How's that for doing the right thing?

 

[SirRumpole]

Judge, or not judge, people for their crimes and not the crimes of others. How's that for doing the right thing?

It's the ideology that is the problem, not the people themselves, but unfortunately they are bound to that ideology by intimidation and threats of reprisal from unknown lunatics, and that makes their ideology incompatible with a democracy where people have the right to leave a religion if they believe that it's not for them.

 

[wayneL]

Judge, or not judge, people for their crimes and not the crimes of others. How's that for doing the right thing?

Pretty much what Ive been advocating all along. So let's investigate those who wish to enter, for both criminal history and cultural congruency.

 

[luutzu]

It's the ideology that is the problem, not the people themselves, but unfortunately they are bound to that ideology by intimidation and threats of reprisal from unknown lunatics, and that makes their ideology incompatible with a democracy where people have the right to leave a religion if they believe that it's not for them.

A person close to me know of a friend who was very happy when she finally rediscovered her Jewish roots. Married a very religious guy... then soon enough regretted it. Her life was threatened when she wanted a divorce from both himself and his faith.

So there's a few nutjob in every religion. Sometime there are just nutjob without any religion attached too.

Anyway, we've been through this. There's just too much misinformation out there. Some of them by former "victims" of the faith too. Like what's her name?

 

[luutzu]

Pretty much what Ive been advocating all along. So let's investigate those who wish to enter, for both criminal history and cultural congruency.

Maybe because you've never tried to enter Australia from a poor country, but trust me, even a tourist or a foreign student wanting to come over to a country like Australia have to go through a bunch of health, security, financial checks.

So forget about being a refugee or permanent resident. "Extreme vetting" is just some bs Trump made up to sound like he's "strong" and "tough".

Btw, he just got his third wife's parents over under the family-reunion rule he so hated because it allow "those people" to bring their entire family over and drain the money and out of the country.

Back to topic... cultural congruence would be passed with flying colours if it tests how much they want to come over, live, grow, improve the country.

If it's to test how quickly they are prepared to be White, Christian and abandoning their Allah... well that's the same test those idiots clerics back home also uses, just reverse the colour and adopting the crescent instead of the cross.

 

[wayneL]

Well unless there's a revolution you'll get the Dystopia you advocate.

Lets see how that turns out.. Hint, watch Europe.

 

[Tisme]

Well unless there's a revolution you'll get the Dystopia you advocate.

Lets see how that turns out.. Hint, watch Europe.

Well if you believe in Jebus, this is stage setting for the for the Tribulation

 

[luutzu]

Well unless there's a revolution you'll get the Dystopia you advocate.

Lets see how that turns out.. Hint, watch Europe.

Europe, like much of the West, and pretty much every nation state and imperial hasbeen and wannabes.. are in decline - if we judge its wealth or decline based on the living standards of its plebs rather than its lords and barons... they're in decline not because of refugees, illegal immigrants and whatever ethnic minority that's currently on the radar.

They decline because the social system got hijacked; public treasury spent abroad massacring savages for the business aka. national, interest aren't bringing the returns they used to.

i.e. those in charge take the taxpayers' cash, spent it on subjugating natives abroad, send in the entrepreneurs to exploit and most of it remain abroad.

The kind of imperialism where you create banana republics were somewhat, slightly, effective when the capitalists have some sense of love for their race; taxes were somewhat collected because the offshore havens weren't yet established.

Nowadays, the state send its (poor's) blood and its (working poor's) treasure abroad... and the only thing that comes back are the few illegals whose country got so properly liberated they can't live there anymore.

 

[Wysiwyg]

Europe, like much of the West, and pretty much every nation state and imperial hasbeen and wannabes.. are in decline - if we judge its wealth or decline based on the living standards of its plebs rather than its lords and barons... they're in decline not because of refugees, illegal immigrants and whatever ethnic minority that's currently on the radar.

They decline because the social system got hijacked; public treasury spent abroad massacring savages for the business aka. national, interest aren't bringing the returns they used to.

i.e. those in charge take the taxpayers' cash, spent it on subjugating natives abroad, send in the entrepreneurs to exploit and most of it remain abroad.

The kind of imperialism where you create banana republics were somewhat, slightly, effective when the capitalists have some sense of love for their race; taxes were somewhat collected because the offshore havens weren't yet established.

Nowadays, the state send its (poor's) blood and its (working poor's) treasure abroad... and the only thing that comes back are the few illegals whose country got so properly liberated they can't live there anymore.

Horse chit.

 

[luutzu]

Horse chit.

Some hard facts my good man. Hard facts.

 

[Tisme]

A person close to me know of a friend who was very happy when she finally rediscovered her Jewish roots. Married a very religious guy... then soon enough regretted it. Her life was threatened when she wanted a divorce from both himself and his faith.

That mirrors the experience of a couple I knew. He ended up forcing the marriage to become one of those strict Jewish codes, him growing a Herod beard, wearing a skull cap and bagging her up in head to toe. Otherwise normal Australians who went down the hysterical route because of the rise of Islam.

 

[Tisme]

Some hard facts my good man. Hard facts.

Like it or not the top end cultural and innovation centres are still western societies, predominately those with innate or adopted British thinking.

 

[luutzu]

Like it or not the top end cultural and innovation centres are still western societies, predominately those with innate or adopted British thinking.

Give China another couple decades and they will have downloaded all the tech and brainpower to leap frog ahead though.

All the big tech companies are scrambling into China. Opening up their source codes, secret hash and surveillance tech to please the comrades for promises of a slice of them billion+ people.

Then you have racist, anti-immigrant politics all over the West. That's not going to attract high minded people whether they're black or white.

My brother-in-law's younger brother is considering whether he should take a scholarship to study in the US or in Beijing. A decade ago there's just no question that you'd go to the US... now they're considering which police state is a better deal.

You know what the Chinese says... empire wax and wane. Those that used to ruled the world soon find themselves becoming their former peasants' vassal coolies.

 

[Tisme]

Give China another couple decades and they will have downloaded all the tech and brainpower to leap frog ahead though.

All the big tech companies are scrambling into China. Opening up their source codes, secret hash and surveillance tech to please the comrades for promises of a slice of them billion+ people.

Then you have racist, anti-immigrant politics all over the West. That's not going to attract high minded people whether they're black or white.

My brother-in-law's younger brother is considering whether he should take a scholarship to study in the US or in Beijing. A decade ago there's just no question that you'd go to the US... now they're considering which police state is a better deal.

You know what the Chinese says... empire wax and wane. Those that used to ruled the world soon find themselves becoming their former peasants' vassal coolies.

Places like San Fran are awash with money to throw at new ideas and enterprise, and it's not govt stained money, but free capital.

 

[luutzu]

Places like San Fran are awash with money to throw at new ideas and enterprise, and it's not govt stained money, but free capital.

So's Beijing and other Chinese cities I can't pronounce.

Western Venture capitalists are heading East. Quite a few of them are in on the IPO game where they float overpriced, useless companies on unsuspecting US/Western fund managers.