Resisting Climate Hysteria

[Knobby22]

If not Knobby, you are arguing for regional variations rather that global trends

Of course! 1200kms away is a long way, and mostly north. I would expect some regional variations.
That's like using Melbourne weather records for Gold Coast.
They would have been better comparing it to Greenland's weather, slightly closer and at the same latitude. Probably didn't work with the argument.

 

[wayneL]

Knobby, if you look at how alarmists aggregate ir homogenisethe arctic temps, the article is well justified in using that data.

What is good for the goose is good for the gander

 

[basilio]

Well it goes to know someone else cares about the climate...

China to partly fund new CSIRO climate research centre

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  Adam Morton

CSIRO's re-embracing of climate change research will be underlined on Monday when the national science agency announces a new centre partly funded by Chinese interests.

Based in Hobart, the $20 million centre will examine the role oceans will play in future climate change, including their influence on floods and drought. It will be half funded by China's Qingdao National Laboratory for Marine Science and Technology.

The Centre for Southern Hemisphere Oceans Research will also look at the capacity of seas to keep absorbing carbon dioxide – more than 90 per cent of heat has been taken up by oceans in recent decades – and the expected impact of melting Antarctic ice shelves.

http://www.canberratimes.com.au/env...-climate-research-centre-20170521-gw9sr2.html

 

[basilio]

What are we learning about Global Warming in the Poles ?

It seems the latest research is indicating that accelerating warming in the Poles will steeply increase the possible rate of sea level rise. (Yeah hard to understand that..)
And the results ?
'The great unknown': New climate change data lifts the sea-level threat

• 
  Peter Hannan

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The giant ice sheets of Antarctica and Greenland are melting faster than scientists previously estimated, raising the prospect of faster sea level rise placing at risk low-lying areas of Sydney and similar exposed cities around the world.

New research, including from the US National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA), has lifted the "plausible" sea level rise by 2100 to as much as two metres to 2.7 metres.

That has superseded earlier estimates, such as the 2013 Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), that placed the likely top range of sea level rise at about one metre if greenhouse gas emission rises continued unabated.

Those higher forecasts have now been included in new mapping by Coastal Risk Australia that combines the estimates with national high-tide data and the shape of our coastline.

http://www.canberratimes.com.au/env...ifts-the-sealevel-threat-20170522-gwa963.html

 

[basilio]

This is the report upon which the possible new sea level projections are based.
https://tidesandcurrents.noaa.gov/p...d_Regional_SLR_Scenarios_for_the_US_final.pdf

 

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[Tisme]

What is good for the goose is good for the gander

and chicken?

 

[moXJO]

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Those higher forecasts have now been included in new mapping by Coastal Risk Australia that combines the estimates with national high-tide data and the shape of our coastline.

http://www.canberratimes.com.au/env...ifts-the-sealevel-threat-20170522-gwa963.html

Thanks bas, been looking for these map predictions.

Woot only need a 12m rise in sea levels for a 5min walk to the beach.

 

[basilio]

We seem to have become blase about the daily reports of weather extremes around the world that are unfolding as the climate rapidly warms.
Can we not forget that the last three years have seen successive steep increases in global temperatures ? Each year has set a new record.
As a consequence of these "now normal" temperatures the Great Barrier Reef has been bleached to within an inch of its life. The consequences of this from an economic POV are outlined by Delotite Access

Great Barrier Reef 'too big to fail' at $56b, Deloitte Access Economics report says
By Louisa Rebgetz
Updated about 2 hours ago

Video: Severe coral bleaching hits two-thirds of Great Barrier Reef (ABC News)
Related Story: Cyclone Debbie leaves Whitsundays reefs in ruins
Related Story: Severe coral bleaching hits two-thirds of Great Barrier Reef, aerial surveys show
Map: Hamilton Island 4803
The Great Barrier Reef has a total asset value of $56 billion and is "too big to fail", according to a new report.

Key points:

• Deloitte Access Economics says GBR has calculated economic, social and iconic value of $56 billion
• Tourism is the biggest contributor to the total asset value making up $29 billion
• But tourist figures are down 50 per cent in the Whitsundays — operators say "this is as bad as it was during the GFC"

Deloitte Access Economics has calculated the economic, social and iconic value of the world heritage site in a report commissioned by the Great Barrier Reef Foundation.

Tourism is the biggest contributor to the total asset value making up $29 billion.

The Great Barrier Reef generates 64,000 jobs in Australia and contributes $6.4 billion dollars to the national economy, the report said.

It states the brand value, or Australians that have not yet visited the Reef but value knowing it exists, as $24 billion.

Recreational users including divers and boaters make up $3 billion.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-06-26/great-barrier-reef-valued-56b-deloitte/8649936

 

[basilio]

How has climate changed in the last 130 years ? Check out this Climate time machine.
https://climate.nasa.gov/interactives/climate-time-machine

 

[Bintang]

How has climate changed in the last 130 years ?

Yes, the way to sustain the lie of man-made global warming is to cherry pick the last 130 years of data but for the last 6000 years the trend is down. But let's stop burning coal for now anyway. We will need it more when the next mini-ice age starts.

 

[Junior]

We should stop burning coal anyway, it's an outdated technology in terms of generating electricity.

Same goes for internal combustion engines. All cars will run on batteries in the near future so we may as well embrace it and speed up the process. Imagine the air quality in Beijing or any other mega-city when this becomes reality?

Why would we choose to pollute the air we all have to breathe, when the technology already exists to generate energy in a far cleaner and more sustainable manner? Hundred of thousands of people die as a direct result of pollution each year, it's an epidemic which needs to be addressed.

Whether or not man-made global warming is myth or fact, there is limited downside to curbing emissions dramatically, and there are many positives that come with it.

 

[Tisme]

We should stop burning coal anyway, it's an outdated technology in terms of generating electricity.

Same goes for internal combustion engines.

I can vividly recall the stink from leaded petrol engines, the stink of coal steam locomotives, the stink of industry, of the abattoirs, etc; the oil slicks on the road, the asbestos dust falling out of the brake drums when replacing shoes, people burning off God knows what in their backyards; the poisons, the wood chip bath heaters with lead water pipes,.... all concatenated as a 24hour serving of pour health and stunted potential.

The place was an airborne and ground dwelling cesspit of long chain alkyl aromatics, benzene rings and heavy metals (cadmium, mercury, lead, etc).

No wonder the incidences of old age derivatives of denial, dementia, liver disease and downright bloody mindedness from the early baby boomers and before. Thank goodness some sane people existed who managed to outlaw a lot of the treachery foisted on an all too complacent population of chemically engineered cantankerous half wits.

 

[Bintang]

Global Temperature hasn't risen in 20 years: latest data
http://newsweekly.com.au/article.php?id=57680&s=LURQEd
News Weekly, May 20, 2017
Recently published data …. show that global temperatures have fallen back to about the levels of 20 years ago ….
Global temperatures dropped 0.5 degrees Celsius in April. In the northern hemisphere they plunged a massive one degree. The Global Warming Policy Foundation commented: “As the record 2015–16 El Niño levels off, the global-warming hiatus is back with a vengeance.”

The explanation of the temperature pause since 1998 – which contradicts the computer models used by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) – has been the subject of widespread discussion in academic journals, including the American Geophysical Union journal, Geophysical Research Letters, as well asClimate Dynamics, and the Scientific Report of the Chinese Academy of Sciences. All agree that temperature rises have stalled, but there is no consensus on the cause.

[And in Antarctica] … the overall area of sea ice around Antarctica is close to normal for this time of year, and recent research indicates that temperatures on the Antarctic Peninsula have fallen slightly in recent decades.

New data contradict the repeated claims of the IPCC that global warming is causing irrevocable damage to the Antarctic continent.

 

[wayneL]

We should stop burning coal anyway, it's an outdated technology in terms of generating electricity.

Same goes for internal combustion engines. All cars will run on batteries in the near future so we may as well embrace it and speed up the process. Imagine the air quality in Beijing or any other mega-city when this becomes reality?

Why would we choose to pollute the air we all have to breathe, when the technology already exists to generate energy in a far cleaner and more sustainable manner? Hundred of thousands of people die as a direct result of pollution each year, it's an epidemic which needs to be addressed.

Whether or not man-made global warming is myth or fact, there is limited downside to curbing emissions dramatically, and there are many positives that come with it.

Now your last paragraph is something i can wholeheartedly agree with.

The big bogey is base load electricity generation.

 

[Logique]

I would hardly call this "limited downside". Businesses will close, jobs will be lost, many will face economic hardship.

28 June 2017 - South Australia power prices to rise to highest in the world on Saturday, energy expert warns
By Isabel Dayman, ABC: http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-06-28/sa-has-most-expensive-power-prices-in-the-world/8658434

South Australia will overtake Denmark as having the world's most expensive electricity when the country's major energy retailers jack up their prices this Saturday.

AGL, EnergyAustralia and Origin Energy will all increase their electricity prices from July 1, adding hundreds of dollars to annual household bills.

Residential customers will see an average rise of 18 per cent under AGL, 19.9 per cent from EnergyAustralia, 16.1 per cent with Origin Energy...

 

[orr]

Global Temperature hasn't risen in 20 years: latest data
http://newsweekly.com.au/article.php?id=57680&s=LURQEd
News Weekly, May 20, 2017
Recently published data …. show that global temperatures have fallen back to about the levels of 20 years ago ….
Global temperatures dropped 0.5 degrees Celsius in April. In the northern hemisphere they plunged a massive one degree. The Global Warming Policy Foundation commented: “As the record 2015–16 El Niño levels off, the global-warming hiatus is back with a vengeance.”

The explanation of the temperature pause since 1998 – which contradicts the computer models used by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) – has been the subject of widespread discussion in academic journals, including the American Geophysical Union journal, Geophysical Research Letters, as well asClimate Dynamics, and the Scientific Report of the Chinese Academy of Sciences. All agree that temperature rises have stalled, but there is no consensus on the cause.

[And in Antarctica] … the overall area of sea ice around Antarctica is close to normal for this time of year, and recent research indicates that temperatures on the Antarctic Peninsula have fallen slightly in recent decades.

New data contradict the repeated claims of the IPCC that global warming is causing irrevocable damage to the Antarctic continent.

Go Tangers Go
You still keeping your razors sharp under a pyramid ???

 

[orr]

I can vividly recall the stink from leaded petrol engines, the stink of coal steam locomotives, the stink of industry, of the abattoirs, etc; the oil slicks on the road, the asbestos dust falling out of the brake drums when replacing shoes, people burning off God knows what in their backyards; the poisons, the wood chip bath heaters with lead water pipes,.... all concatenated as a 24hour serving of pour health and stunted potential.

The place was an airborne and ground dwelling cesspit of long chain alkyl aromatics, benzene rings and heavy metals (cadmium, mercury, lead, etc).

No wonder the incidences of old age derivatives of denial, dementia, liver disease and downright bloody mindedness from the early baby boomers and before. Thank goodness some sane people existed who managed to outlaw a lot of the treachery foisted on an all too complacent population of chemically engineered cantankerous half wits.

You 'ol' greeny you.

 

[Bintang]

Go Tangers Go
You still keeping your razors sharp under a pyramid ???

Amusing, the witless ad hominem attack of a climate cooling denier.