Resisting Climate Hysteria

[wayneL]

Appeals to vested interests, conflicts of interests, motives etc. are all Ad Hominem (Circumstantial) fallacies.

Given that the foundation of science is based upon the concept of falsifiability it says more about the person making the types of appeals listed above than it does the person for whom these are being made about.

Interesting you draw this rather long bow, without mentioning basilios constant outright ad hom, and dodging a reasonable (in light of his frequent argument re vested interests) question.

That's instructive Ves, as is basilio's clumsy sidestep.

 

[Ves]

Interesting you draw this rather long bow, without mentioning basilios constant outright ad hom, and dodging a reasonable (in light of his frequent argument re vested interests) question.

Did you ever consider that I am saying that both sides are guilty of it?

It's not a long bow at all. Vested interests are completely irrelevant. Any data produced by a vested interest that leads to a false conclusion, can and will be proved false.

That's how science works. It's worked like that for a very long time. With great results.

 

[wayneL]

Did you ever consider that I am saying that both sides are guilty of it?

It's not a long bow at all. Vested interests are completely irrelevant. Any data produced by a vested inI terest that leads to a false conclusion, can and will be proved false.

That's how science works. It's worked like that for a very long time. With great results.

I agree, with the caveat that proper scientific process is followed.

This is often not so.

 

[Ves]

You make it sound like a bad thing. it is a way from differentiating science from pseudo science.

According to Popper, Falsifiability, particularly testability, is an important concept in science and the philosophy of science. Popper concluded that a hypothesis or theory is "scientific" only if it is, among other things, falsifiable. Therefore, he sees Falsifiability as a necessary (but not sufficient) criterion for scientific ideas. Scientific theories for Popper therefore comprised all those theories that fit the scientific status of a theory in its Falsifiability, refutability or testability.

https://www.ukessays.com/essays/phi...oncept-of-falsifiability-philosophy-essay.php

Didn't see this before. I've either not expressed myself properly or you have misread what I wrote, but I'm not at all saying falsifiability is a bad thing.

Read my follow up post to WayneL.

 

[noco]

Sussed out. 9 years and 658,912 posts on the issues surrounding human caused CC and Wayne has worked out I have an interest in the outcome.

Of course I do and it’s priceless. The short story as Luutzu accurately notes are my children and grandchildren. But on reflection that is far too short. If we cook , we all cook. Us, my kids, Waynes kids Luutzu children. If we somehow address the issues we all have a better chance of surviving and thriving. So if I want to see action taken that averts this disaster it’s for everyones’ sake.

If I or my children ever want to see the Great Barrier Reef in all it’s glory there is precious little time. In fact the realist in me would say "see it before it goes". And unfortunately that is probably the case for thousands of ecosytems that are under CC threat. Of course when whole ecosytems collapse let’s not pretend humans will survive in some man made bubble. Mind you when the merde does hit the fan there will no doubt be enclaves for the superrich to survive. At least for a few years.

And through all this Wayne somehow suspects I have some driving economic interest that has driven my posts on this forum and work elsewhere. By the same token Wayne must also believe that the scientific community that has researched, modelled and examined CC and its effects are similarly economically driven – and to be dismissed in the same light.

My financial interests are meagre. On principle I won’t “disclose” them because frankly they add absolutely nothing to the discussion. In the context of CC discussion my interest is trying to leave a world in a state can support life as we know it. I can’t eat money. I can’t breathe it. The essentials that sustain life are not found on the stock exchange.

Well Bas, what do you know?......TC Debbie has saved the Great Barrier Reef and reduced the sea temperature by 3C......Now isn't that wonderful news......Your children won't be disappointed after all.

 

[orr]

Didn't see this before. I've either not expressed myself properly or you have misread what I wrote, but I'm not at all saying falsifiability is a bad thing.

Read my follow up post to WayneL.

Ves ... Knobby... what are you guy's doing? just when this thread had reached the heights of 'show'n'tell' and we are only a step away from 'kissy kissy touchy touchy wee wee'.... you blokes bring in Popper....
Fellas; ostensibly ... 'we're talking to Queensland'... who's education system though to the 1980's is renound.... and not in a good sense.
Just wait till noco finds out Popper's christian name and draws his conclusion.

Logic and scientific method ... wouldn't that be a thing...

 

[noco]

Ves ... Knobby... what are you guy's doing? just when this thread had reached the heights of 'show'n'tell' and we are only a step away from 'kissy kissy touchy touchy wee wee'.... you blokes bring in Popper....
Fellas; ostensibly ... 'we're talking to Queensland'... who's education system though to the 1980's is renound.... and not in a good sense.
Just wait till noco finds out Popper's christian name and draws his conclusion.

Logic and scientific method ... wouldn't that be a thing...

It is such a shame that you cannot accept the truth.......The Great Barrier Reef has been saved by TC Debbie.

 

[noco]

Professor Peter Ridd of JCU Townsville questions the the coral bleaching of the Great Barrier Reef......Peter Ridd, whom I have met on two occasions has studied the reef for 30 years.

http://www.townsvillebulletin.com.a...f/news-story/ef9dca8cd45394c9481253ef2ba387a4

 

[basilio]

There is an excellent physicist on the net who manages to make a thousand different science based questions interesting and accessible.
He did a neat little line on 13 misconceptions about Global warming. Managed to argue against himself actually. Good stuff


If CC isn't your cup of tea his other science videos are still fascinating.

 

[basilio]

Veritsitum (the guy I referenced above) did a neat little video on an anti gravity wheel.

Enjoy it.

 

[basilio]

If you watched the anti gravity wheel and were perplexed about the final question ie did the wheel lighten when it was spinning, the following vid examines the phenomenon in detail.

 

[basilio]

So this guy can really makes you think.
Can you solve his mathematical puzzle ? Very clever

 

[luutzu]

Happy to share my pr0n collection on the appropriate forum Grasshopper, if you'd like to start a thread on that. However as it does not play to my moderate stance on CC, it is not relevant.

I'm more likely to watch shoe making pr0n to be honest, this is me on a a two heat concave front, as a matter of disclosure.

A hammer, a chisel, a guy in leather apron and one big anvil.

Dam it Sifu, even Fifty Shades didn't go that far.

It did take me a few days to come up with that one.

 

[luutzu]

You make it sound like a bad thing. it is a way from differentiating science from pseudo science.

According to Popper, Falsifiability, particularly testability, is an important concept in science and the philosophy of science. Popper concluded that a hypothesis or theory is "scientific" only if it is, among other things, falsifiable. Therefore, he sees Falsifiability as a necessary (but not sufficient) criterion for scientific ideas. Scientific theories for Popper therefore comprised all those theories that fit the scientific status of a theory in its Falsifiability, refutability or testability.

https://www.ukessays.com/essays/phi...oncept-of-falsifiability-philosophy-essay.php

So then, the claim that CC is wrong because "the climate has always been changing"... that's pseudo-science because it cannot be falsified?

 

[Knobby22]

Professor Peter Ridd of JCU Townsville questions the the coral bleaching of the Great Barrier Reef......Peter Ridd, whom I have met on two occasions has studied the reef for 30 years.

http://www.townsvillebulletin.com.a...f/news-story/ef9dca8cd45394c9481253ef2ba387a4

Well good to see he is not saying the bleaching is not happening! Since he lives in Townsville it would be pretty hard to ignore. He has become the new go to guy for the Courier Mail.

Listening on the radio today, to a reef expert, he said the Cyclone came a month too late to save the reef and the previous winter was unseasonably warm not allowing the reef to flourish. They also released the official bleaching data. Cairns must be very worried. A picture is worth a thousand words.

 

[basilio]

The future of Coral Reefs with Global Warming .
Loss of coral reefs caused by rising sea temperatures could cost $1tn globally
Loss of Great Barrier Reef alone could cost north Queensland 1m visitors a year, imperilling 10,000 jobs and draining $1bn from economy

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The loss of coral reefs caused by rising sea temperatures could cost $1 trillion globally, a report from Australia’s Climate Council has projected, with the loss of Queensland’s Great Barrier Reef alone costing that region 1m visitors a year, imperilling 10,000 jobs and draining $1bn from the economy.


The longest global coral bleaching event on record, which began in 2014 and has affected some reefs in consecutive years, has given reefs little chance to recover, and should be a “wake-up call” to act to save the natural and economic assets, the Climate Council’s Lesley Hughes said.


“The extraordinary devastation being experienced on the Great Barrier Reef is due to the warming of our oceans, driven by the burning of coal, oil and gas,” Hughes said. “It would have been virtually impossible for this to have occurred without climate change.”

Great Barrier Reef at 'terminal stage': scientists despair at latest coral bleaching data
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Hughes argued it was a false dichotomy in public debate “to pit the environment against the economy”.


“This isn’t just an environmental issue. The Great Barrier Reef is one of Australia’s greatest economic assets. It’s responsible for bringing in more than $7bn each year to our economy, while also supporting the livelihoods of around 70,000 people. A healthy Great Barrier Reef underpins the tourism industry and the jobs that it supports.”


The $1 trillion figure for the value of the world’s coral reefs is derived from a 2015 report led by Ove Hoegh-Guldberg, director of the University of Queensland’s Global Change Institute, which found that worldwide, reefs supported 500 million people across 50 nations.

The cooler water temperatures brought by Cyclone Debbie are expected to offer Queensland reefs some relief from the bleaching events of 2016 and 2017, though this is expected to be only temporary, and could be offset by the physical damage caused by the Category 4 tropical cyclone.

https://www.theguardian.com/environ...sing-sea-temperatures-could-cost-1tn-globally

 

[noco]

Man made Global Warming has hit Darwin.....Read the link to find out why.

http://www.couriermail.com.au/techn...s/news-story/e9f024be59a2950ee44ff00a70dd69a6

 

[Ves]

Man made Global Warming has hit Darwin.....Read the link to find out why.

http://www.couriermail.com.au/techn...s/news-story/e9f024be59a2950ee44ff00a70dd69a6

It's obvious why.

There's a tropical low up there at the moment. Which will turn into a category 1 or 2 tropical cyclone after it has past.

 

[basilio]

So Noco, your response to the destruction of the Great Barrier Reef, most of the other
coral reefs around the world, the ecosytems that live in the reefs, the loss of thousands of jobs, tens of thousands of peoples livelihoods and billions of dollars is

a cold day in Darwin.

 

[noco]

Skiers will be happy this year, Mt Buller gets its snow 2 months earlier than normal.......And the cause is man made Global Warming........All those coal fired power stations releasing that nasty black smoke full of carbon dioxide.