Resisting Climate Hysteria

[noco]

I am not a scientist, one cannot absorb the huge amount of science information. Like you I am an ordinary human being who has taken an interest in the land and the climate since a child.

I go by what I see and read in the everyday news and as an old tree huger speak to farmers in this Bendigo region.

No one can stop the ise melt, particularly now that the methane from underneath is escaping. One would hope that mankind can some how collectively develop a way to slow it down and one day stop it. But procrastinating on who's right and wrong is not going to get us anywhere.

From memory, unfortunately I lent the book "The Sixth Extinctiion" it was a huge ice sheet that blocked the cold air flow from the polar region that in fact warmed/sheltered Greenland at that time.

plod, it is a natural Phenomenon and will right it's self in time.......So take a Panadol, sit back and relax.

I may not live long enough to see the change but I am sure you will bare witness to it all in time.

 

[explod]

The picture is emerging, note the people in the middle east struggling to get a few drops of water on main stream TV news last night.

NASA director debunks Malcolm Roberts' theory on climate data manipulation in polite letter
Updated Thu at 8:42am

From left to right: Malcolm Roberts and Gavin Schmidt
PHOTO: One Nation senator Malcolm Roberts (L) and NASA's Gavin Schmidt (R). (ABC/Twitter)
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In a politely worded letter, the director of NASA's Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS) has addressed One Nation senator Malcolm Roberts' concerns that the organisation's data on climate change has been manipulated.

In a rare occurrence, director Gavin Schmidt personally wrote a letter in response to Senator Roberts' request for information about the NASA GISTEMP analysis of global surface temperature history.

The GISS Surface Temperature Analysis (GISTEMP) is an estimate of global surface temperature change.

In the letter obtained by Fairfax Media and circulated widely on social media, the NASA scientist directed Senator Roberts to a number of links on the NASA website that published the entirety of NASA's raw data and the code they use to analyse that data.

"However, you appear to hold a number of misconceptions which I am happy to clarify at this time," the letter went on.
The first "misconception" noted by Mr Schmidt related to a graph that Senator Roberts had included in his request.

The graph, as Mr Schmidt pointed out, originated from the Global Historical Climatology Network (GHCN), a project run by the National Ocean and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA).

"Perhaps you might not be aware, but NOAA is a different US Govt. agency than NASA, and questions relating to their activities or products might be more usefully addressed to them," Mr Schmidt said.

 

[macca]

BBC news item

<<Log books from the early Antarctic expeditions indicate that the area of summer sea-ice around the continent has barely changed in size in a century.>>

http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-38085147

All the pollution in the Northern hemisphere could be doing some damage though

 

[basilio]

So what is happening to the natural world as a result of global warming to date ?

Unless one is in complete and total denial of reality we accept the fact that the world is now an average of 1 degree C warmer than say 50 years ago. What are the consequences on the ecosystem we all depend on to survive ?

'Nowhere on earth safe' from climate change as survival challenge grows
Peter Hannam

As if humans weren't making it hard enough for the world's creatures great and small.

Evidence continues to mount that global warming is having an impact on ecosystems across the planet in a myriad of ways, altering both individual species and ecological communities.

Thirty years of Arctic ice decay

Incredible animated video released by NASA shows the drastic change of the Arctic ice shelves over thirty years.

"There's really nowhere on earth where the natural systems are not being affected by climate change," Lesley Hughes, a professor of biology at Macquarie University, said.

"Climate change is simply an additional stress on already stressed ecosystems," Professor Hughes said, listing habitat loss, pollution and over-exploitation among the existing challenges.

A recent paper in Science surveyed research on 94 core ecological processes and found 82 per cent were already revealing climate change impacts as temperatures warmed.

James Watson, a conservation biologist at the University of Queensland and one of the paper's authors, said people often fixated on polar bears, penguins or another emblematic species.

"They think, 'that's miles away from me; it's a pity but it doesn't affect me'," Professor Watson said. "It's everything that's affected."

Here are six key areas of change:


http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/env...survival-challenge-grows-20161123-gsvgcj.html

 

[noco]

So what is happening to the natural world as a result of global warming to date ?

Unless one is in complete and total denial of reality we accept the fact that the world is now an average of 1 degree C warmer than say 50 years ago. What are the consequences on the ecosystem we all depend on to survive ?

How much warmer was it 1000 years ago?

 

[Smurf1976]

Actually Noco if you follow the graph you will see that it represents the last 40 years of measurements of minimum and maximum sea ice expanses in the Arctic. The overall trend for the last 40 years shows a substantial reduction in sea ice levels. The red line for 2016 is just an horrific off the chart indication of how the loss of sea ice is accelerating as a result of runaway global warming.

The 2016 line on that chart ought to ring some serious alarm bells no matter what the subject or context. Data going back to 1978 shows that for November the range has been 20 - 23 but in 2016 it's 17. That's a very substantial change and would raise some alarm bells for anyone familiar with looking at data on any subject simply due to the magnitude and suddenness of the change.

First question would be is the data accurate? Has this been verified? Sudden changes certainly can be due to inaccurate measurement (in any context).

If the data is confirmed as accurate then it's a real concern certainly simply due to the speed and magnitude of the change unless there's a known explanation which is not likely to recur each year into the future.

On other matters relating to the environment:

http://www.themercury.com.au/news/o...y/news-story/15c347b077a12c23cc5eeccb644da46f

 

[explod]

How much warmer was it 1000 years ago?

There were areas warmer 1000 years ago and up to 3c warmer 10,000 years ago.

But as once a fireball the earth is supposed to be cooling down but abruptly it is not and the sudden rate of increase is quite alarming.

Anyway, "some people you just caaaant reach"

One Nation accuses NASA of manipulating climate science data, while literally choosing to view part of the Great Barrier Reef which is more than 1000km from where the most severe coral bleaching crisis on record has had its greatest impact.

 

[noco]

There were areas warmer 1000 years ago and up to 3c warmer 10,000 years ago.

But as once a fireball the earth is supposed to be cooling down but abruptly it is not and the sudden rate of increase is quite alarming.

Anyway, "some people you just caaaant reach"

Perhaps you could go back just 600 years ago.....Some interesting facts for all to read.

https://www.nersc.no/sites/www.nersc.no/files/The role of the Barents_ROG.pdf

 

[explod]

Perhaps you could go back just 600 years ago.....Some interesting facts for all to read.

https://www.nersc.no/sites/www.nersc.no/files/The role of the Barents_ROG.pdf

Typically another site one cannot reach. How about posting the main bit of it up.

 

[noco]

Typically another site one cannot reach. How about posting the main bit of it up.

You should have been able to connect to the link...I had no trouble...I am not a subscriber.

Just go to google and type in " WHAT WAS THE TEMPERATURE IN ARCTIC AND GREENLAND 1000 YEARS AGO"

 

[basilio]

Excellent paper you noted Noco. Makes it totally clear just how global warming is affecting the climate in the Arctic and the surrounding areas. Thanks.

And just to highlight what is happening now check out the following analysis. Essentially runaway climate change as a result of numerous feedback loops is the next step. The video is a great summary.

Arctic ice melt could trigger uncontrollable climate change at global level

Scientists warn increasingly rapid melting could trigger polar ‘tipping points’ with catastrophic consequences felt as far away as the Indian Ocean
Current Time 0:00

Fiona Harvey

Friday 25 November 2016 05.01 GMT
Last modified on Friday 25 November 2016 22.00 GMT

Arctic scientists have warned that the increasingly rapid melting of the ice cap risks triggering 19 “tipping points” in the region that could have catastrophic consequences around the globe.

The Arctic Resilience Report found that the effects of Arctic warming could be felt as far away as the Indian Ocean, in a stark warning that changes in the region could cause uncontrollable climate change at a global level.

Temperatures in the Arctic are currently about 20C above what would be expected for the time of year, which scientists describe as “off the charts”. Sea ice is at the lowest extent ever recorded for the time of year.

“The warning signals are getting louder,” said Marcus Carson of the Stockholm Environment Institute and one of the lead authors of the report. “[These developments] also make the potential for triggering [tipping points] and feedback loops much larger.”

https://www.theguardian.com/environ...er-uncontrollable-climate-change-global-level

 

[noco]

Excellent paper you noted Noco. Makes it totally clear just how global warming is affecting the climate in the Arctic and the surrounding areas. Thanks.

And just to highlight what is happening now check out the following analysis. Essentially runaway climate change as a result of numerous feedback loops is the next step. The video is a great summary.



https://www.theguardian.com/environ...er-uncontrollable-climate-change-global-level

Ah yes....the good old commo paper the Guardian.....A natural pro alarmist....

There are other links on google that may give you a different version.

I live 400 feet above sea level but I am still going to build a Noah's Ark just in case the Guardian is right.

 

[luutzu]

Ah yes....the good old commo paper the Guardian.....A natural pro alarmist....

There are other links on google that may give you a different version.

I live 400 feet above sea level but I am still going to build a Noah's Ark just in case the Guardian is right.

Noco's Ark. No greens and reds allowed.

btw, what if the "climate alarmists" are right and no ark's around? Opps?

 

[basilio]

Ah yes....the good old commo paper the Guardian.....A natural pro alarmist....

There are other links on google that may give you a different version.

I live 400 feet above sea level but I am still going to build a Noah's Ark just in case the Guardian is right.

Your delusional Noco. There are other links that offer a different version of reality. They also are either delusional or lie through their teeth.

The Guardian simply reports what the scientists are saying and the evidence is demonstrating.

I remember around 2006 many Climate Change scientists voiced their concern about the feedback loops involved with the melting of the Arctic ice caps. They pointed out that as ice was replaced by Tundra, sea ice replaced by open water and the frozen Arctic thawed out the feedback loops would be devastating.

It was simple science Noco. Nothing more extraordinary than recognising that a forest fire starts small and then builds momentum as it gets bigger and bigger until it becomes unstoppable - or just burns everything in it's path

And that's where we now are with the melting of the Arctic ice cap.

https://www.climatecommunication.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/arctic_climate.pdf

Arctic Sea Ice: What, Why, and What Next

By Ramez Naam on September 21, 2012

On September 19th, NSIDC, the National Snow and Ice Data Center, announced that Arctic sea ice has shrunk as far as it will shrink this summer, and that the ice is beginning to reform, expanding the floating ice cap that covers the North Pole and the seas around it. The Arctic Sea Ice extent this September was far smaller than the previous record set in 2007. At 3.4 million square kilometers of ice coverage, this year’s Arctic minimum was 800,000 square kilometers smaller than the 2007 record. That difference between the previous record and this year’s is larger than the entire state of Texas. An ice-free summer in the Arctic, once projected to be more than a century away, now looks possible decades from now. Some say that it looks likely in just the next few years.

What’s happening in the Arctic? Why is it happening? And does it matter for the bulk of us who live thousands of miles away from it?

https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/guest-blog/arctic-sea-ice-what-why-and-what-next/



Figure 12 - Arctic sea ice has receded dramatically faster than the mean of IPCC models projected, reaching levels not expected until 2065. Positive feedback loops such as those that have accelerated sea ice loss might accelerate the loss of permafrost and the release of additional CO2 and methane from the Arctic.

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By the way that Scientific American story was written in 2012. This years is way off their charts.

 

[explod]

Ah yes....the good old commo paper the Guardian.....A natural pro alarmist....

There are other links on google that may give you a different version.

I live 400 feet above sea level but I am still going to build a Noah's Ark just in case the Guardian is right.

So we can only follow your right wing fascist news hey.

The Guardian prints facts with proper notation. Maybe Zero Hedge is a bit out of it but it does help balance the overall scales.

 

[noco]

Noco's Ark. No greens and reds allowed.

btw, what if the "climate alarmists" are right and no ark's around? Opps?

Luu, I am so old in the tooth, I don't think I need to worry and don't reckon Prince George will either.

 

[noco]

So we can only follow your right wing fascist news hey.

The Guardian prints facts with proper notation. Maybe Zero Hedge is a bit out of it but it does help balance the overall scales.

I a line the Guardian with the ABC.....Both are very biased towards the Greens and the left.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion including you and I and we should both respect that.without getting personal.

 

[basilio]

Everyone is entitled to their opinion including you and I and we should both respect that.without getting personal. Noco

Certainly everyone is entitled to their own opinion.. but not to their own facts. Daniel Moynihan

On the other hand perhaps we could put it another way.

"Your not entitled to your opinion.You are entitled to your informed opinion. No one is entitled to be ignorant."

 

[luutzu]

Luu, I am so old in the tooth, I don't think I need to worry and don't reckon Prince George will either.

I've seen the movie 2012 and you're right that Prince George and his pet dogs wouldn't have much to worry about, ever.

Though people of your advanced age in countries without much socialist medical care or public housing would have a tough time when the temperature goes a few celcius either way. This is happening right now, not in some dystopian future the nerds and greens are trying to scare us about.

 

[noco]

I have just been chatting to my son in Antarctica in the last hour and there are two groups of scientists at Casey Station....All up there are 75 personal manning the station.

One group is studying the sea ice, while the other is studying the Glaciers.

I don't have a link and probably should not post this without a link so you will have to take my word for it, but they are saying the burning of fossils fuels do have a minor influence but the Sun also plays a major part....Non of them can really say what it will be like in 50 or 100 years from now but they are saying there could be some sea level rises, but once again to what extent no one really knows.

There has been comment down there that Al Gore has exaggerated Global Warming 10 fold just to make money on emissions trading schemes.

I trust the moderators will accept my post without a link.