Resisting Climate Hysteria

[Macquack]

Actually bas, I did nothing of the sort.

You should try integrity in your arguments the odd time mate, just a thought.

Just like this gem

So you're annoyed that leftist tactics are used against leftists basilio?

Just recently, I realized by an actual experience that if you have 3 people saying that "black"' is "white" and you are the sole person saying that "black" is "black", then guess what - "black" is "white", you better get used to it whether you like it or not, end of the story.

 

[wayneL]

Just like this gem


Just recently, I realized by an actual experience that if you have 3 people saying that "black"' is "white" and you are the sole person saying that "black" is "black", then guess what - "black" is "white", you better get used to it whether you like it or not, end of the story.

I know English isn't your strong suit Quacker, but you appear to be supporting my point,

 

[trainspotter]

Just so fascinating.

A few posts ago Noco come out for the 16,791st time quoting Andrew Bolt on how spectacularly wrong Tim Flannery was in suggesting dams might not fill again.

This piece of deliberate misquoting has been corrected numerous times but of course that is irrelevant to climate deniers. far more fun to just ignore facts and repost lies. So I chose for the umpteenth time to point out what Tim Flannery actually said and the context of the statement.

Just the facts.

The response from Wayne ? Just another cheap shot attempting to equate Andrew Bolts repeated lies with the work of all recognised climate scientists.

And TS of course who still can't recognise a fact if it jumped out of a birthday cake and bit him on the nose.

Sorry I have only just managed to stop larfin at the"FACT" joke.

SOOOOOOOOOOOO taking temperatures from the inlet (or is it outlet) valve of a steam ship cruise liner with a mercury thermometer is PROVEN a fact and even subjective when they did not know what depth the measurement was taken is a FACT

National Geo does a HYSTERIA piece and fluffs it up as the scientists look on in "HORROR" as ice melts.

PULLEEEEEEEEEZZZE



P.S. I AM STILL WAITING basilio for a response

 

[trainspotter]

Asteroid anyone? No I am serious ANYONE? No wait ... I bought this up quite a while ago ... carry on

large asteroid capable of wiping out planet Earth has become the focus of a new study set to be launched by NASA.

Astronomers are planning to get close enough to collect a sample of rock from the asteroid named ‘Bennu’, which measures about 487 metres in diameter.

Bennu crosses the Earth’s orbit once every six years and inches closer to our planet each year, according to The Times.

In 2135, the rock will pass between the moon and Earth, and while it may seem like a fair distance, it’s really on a hair’s breadth in space terms.

Arizona University’s Professor of Planetary Science Dante Lauretta said Earth’s gravity could change the asteroid’s course.

https://au.news.yahoo.com/a/3220713...-look-at-asteroid-that-could-end-earth/#page1

 

[basilio]

State of the Climate report from Noaa.

Environmental records shattered as climate change 'plays out before us'

Temperatures, sea levels and carbon dioxide all hit milestones amid extreme weather in 2015, major international ‘state of the climate’ report finds
A scientist leaps over water during a trip to the Greenland ice sheet, which saw melting over more than 50% of its surface last year.

Oliver Milman in New York
@olliemilman

Wednesday 3 August 2016 01.00 AEST
Last modified on Wednesday 3 August 2016 01.40 AEST

The world is careening towards an environment never experienced before by humans, with the temperature of the air and oceans breaking records, sea levels reaching historic highs and carbon dioxide surpassing a key milestone, a major international report has found.

The “state of the climate” report, led by the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (Noaa) with input from hundreds of scientists from 62 countries, confirmed there was a “toppling of several symbolic mileposts” in heat, sea level rise and extreme weather in 2015.

https://www.theguardian.com/environ...te-change-records-broken-international-report

Scary stuff. Climate tipping points are being reached and breached.

 

[basilio]

Some of the health consequences of global warming.

Anthrax outbreak triggered by climate change kills boy in Arctic Circle

Seventy-two nomadic herders, including 41 children, were hospitalised in far north Russia after the region began experiencing abnormally high temperatures

Alec Luhn in Moscow

Tuesday 2 August 2016 06.12 AEST


A 12-year-old boy in the far north of Russia has died in an outbreak of anthrax that experts believe was triggered when unusually warm weather caused the release of the bacteria.

The boy was one of 72 nomadic herders, including 41 children, hospitalised in the town of Salekhard in the Arctic Circle, after reindeer began dying en masse from anthrax.

Five adults and two other children have been diagnosed with the disease, which is known as “Siberian plague” in Russian and was last seen in the region in 1941.

More than 2,300 reindeer have died, and at least 63 people have been evacuated from a quarantine area around the site of the outbreak.

“We literally fought for the life of each person, but the infection showed its cunning,”the Yamal governor, Dmitry Kobylkin, told the Interfax news agency. “It returned after 75 years and took the life of a child.”

The tabloid LifeNews reported that the boy’s grandmother died of anthrax at a nomad camp last week.

Authorities said the outbreak was linked to climate change. For the past month, the region has been experiencing abnormally high temperatures that have reached 95F.

Anthrax spores can survive in frozen human and animal remains for hundreds of years, waiting to be released by a thaw, according to Alexei Kokorin, head of WWF Russia’s climate and energy programme.

“Such anomalous heat is rare for Yamal, and that’s probably a manifestation of climate change,” he said.

Average temperatures in Russia have increased by 0.43C in the past 10 years, but the rise has been more pronounced in areas of the far north. The warmer climate has begun thawing the permafrost soil that covers much of Russia, including cemeteries and animal burial grounds. Thawing permafrost has also led to greater erosion of river banks where nomads often buried their dead, Kokorin said.

“They didn’t bury deep because it’s hard to dig deep in permafrost,” he explained.

According to custom, the Nenets tribe often inters its dead in a wooden coffin on open ground.

The disease from thawing human and animal remains can get into groundwater that people then drink. The boy in Salekhard died from the intestinal form of the disease, which typically results in fever, stomach pain, diarrhea and vomiting.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/aug/01/anthrax-outbreak-climate-change-arctic-circle-russia

 

[trainspotter]

Woop woop .. it's an outbreak of Anthrax in a remote part of Russia that they are trying to pin on GW

SERIOUSLY basilio you have sunk to the bottom of the list on my opinion scale ...

Go and watch the movie "The Thaw"

The Thaw is a 2009 American science fiction horror thriller film directed by Mark A. Lewis starring Val Kilmer, Martha MacIsaac, and Aaron Ashmore.

Federico comes running out, refusing to be checked for infection, then turns on Evelyn and Atom. As he is about to shoot Evelyn, he is shot from behind by David. David insists they destroy the research station. Evelyn finds a video David recorded and discovers that David has intentionally infected himself, preparing to set the bugs loose to teach humanity a lesson about global warming's effects.

It will be right up your HYSTERICAL alley.

 

[basilio]

Woop woop .. it's an outbreak of Anthrax in a remote part of Russia that they are trying to pin on GW

SERIOUSLY basilio you have sunk to the bottom of the list on my opinion scale ...

Go and watch the movie "The Thaw"


It will be right up your HYSTERICAL alley.

Well given your completely warped view of reality I truly don't want to be high on your opinion scale. Bit like being pin up boy at the looney bin.

As for the story. Truly you can't understand what was quoted?. It's quite straightforward. The last anthrax epidemic was in 1940 odd. The remains of the victims were frozen in their graves. Global Warming has melted these graves and the anthrax germs have revived from the warmed bodies.

Zombie diseases

The anthrax currently infecting reindeer and people in western Siberia likely came from the carcass of a reindeer that died in an anthrax outbreak 75 years ago and has been frozen ever since — until an unusually warm summer thawed permafrost across the region this year, according to local officials.

Bacillus anthracis, the bacteria that cause anthrax, are capable of surviving in the soil for centuries, so it's no surprise that melting permafrost could resurrect a long-dormant plague, Stewart said. Anthrax spreads through soil. Grazing animals pick up the bacteria, which quickly gain a toehold and start reproducing like mad in the animals' blood. Unlike many pathogens, which aim to keep the host alive long enough to reproduce, anthrax wants to kill, and it produces toxins to do so, Stewart said. That's because anthrax demands a dead and decomposing host to spread: Once oxygen enters the rotting animal, the bacteria transform into spores.

"Spores are basically a bacterial cell in a really tough protein shell," Stewart said. They're in a state of suspended animation, and they stay that way in the soil until another grazer accidentally ingests them.

In the United States, anthrax occasionally pops up along the cattle trails of the Old West, Stewart said, because cows stricken with anthrax were left to rot.

Because anthrax is so hardy, it's no surprise that it could survive in permafrost. Researchers warned in 2011 in the journal Global Health Action that outbreaks such as this one could become common as the remains of livestock killed in earlier outbreaks thaw. There are also fears that other pathogens may lurk in the frozen soil of Siberia. In 2015, researchers discovered that a 30,000-year-old virus isolated from permafrost was still infectious (though, fortunately, not dangerous to humans).

http://www.livescience.com/55621-zombie-anthrax-kills-in-siberia.html

 

[trainspotter]

Ho Hum .. more HYSTERIA .. watched the movie yet basilio?

I kid dies in Siberia from Anthrax and a couple of thousand reindeer's cark it.

More than 20,000 people die in America from the common cold.

37 people were killed trying to get a snack from a vending machine from 1978 to 1995.

275,000 people were killed in fourteen countries across two continents from the Boxing Day Tsunami.

And you want to worry about Anthrax being released from permafrost?

 

[basilio]

Perhaps we need to see a bigger picture perspective on what is happening around the world as a consequence of the climate crisis.

George Monbiot writes relatively rarely about global warming these days but as usual it's always worth reading. Also has something to say about the role of the media in covering this evolving crisis.

The climate crisis is already here – but no one’s telling us
George Monbiot

The media largely relegate the greatest challenge facing humanity to footnotes as industry and politicians hurtle us towards systemic collapse of the planet

@GeorgeMonbiot

Wednesday 3 August 2016 15.00 AEST

What is salient is not important. What is important is not salient. The media turns us away from the issues that will determine the course of our lives, and towards topics of brain-melting irrelevance.

This, on current trends, will be the hottest year ever measured. The previous record was set in 2015; the one before in 2014. Fifteen of the 16 warmest years have occurred in the 21st century. Each of the past 14 months has beaten the global monthly temperature record. But you can still hear people repeating the old claim, first proposed by fossil fuel lobbyists, that global warming stopped in 1998.

Arctic sea ice covered a smaller area last winter than in any winter since records began. In Siberia, an anthrax outbreak is raging through the human and reindeer populations because infected corpses locked in permafrost since the last epidemic in 1941 have thawed. India has been hammered by cycles of drought and flood, as withering heat parches the soil and torches glaciers in the Himalayas. Southern and eastern Africa have been pitched into humanitarian emergencies by drought. Wildfires storm across America; coral reefs around the world are bleaching and dying.

Throughout the media, these tragedies are reported as impacts of El Niño: a natural weather oscillation caused by blocks of warm water forming in the Pacific. But the figures show that it accounts for only one-fifth of the global temperature rise. The El Niño phase has now passed, but still the records fall.

https://www.theguardian.com/comment...-greatest-challenge-hurtle-us-collapse-planet

 

[noco]

Perhaps we need to see a bigger picture perspective on what is happening around the world as a consequence of the climate crisis.

George Monbiot writes relatively rarely about global warming these days but as usual it's always worth reading. Also has something to say about the role of the media in covering this evolving crisis.



https://www.theguardian.com/comment...-greatest-challenge-hurtle-us-collapse-planet

Bas, I have to give you 10 out of 10 for your dedication in believing the lies that are presented to you by the Guardian, who, in the past have confessed to distorting the truth.

Once again they have shown photos of glaciers melting and falling into the sea.....Where exactly were those photos taken in the Arctic?

 

[trainspotter]

Perhaps we need to see a bigger picture perspective on what is happening around the world as a consequence of the climate crisis.

George Monbiot writes relatively rarely about global warming these days but as usual it's always worth reading. Also has something to say about the role of the media in covering this evolving crisis.

https://www.theguardian.com/comment...-greatest-challenge-hurtle-us-collapse-planet

Trolling now basilio ...

In Siberia, an anthrax outbreak is raging through the human and reindeer populations because infected corpses locked in permafrost since the last epidemic in 1941 have thawed.

One child died .. that's right ... ONE ... let me repeat this ONE ...no wait ...ONE and ONE ONLY !


Stop trolling basilio and when you come to your senses I would clearly enjoy to debate you once you have resisted the HYSTERIA

What was that about FACTS you raised earlier basilio? .... nevermind *headbang*

 

[trainspotter]

Bas, I have to give you 10 out of 10 for your dedication in believing the lies that are presented to you by the Guardian, who, in the past have confessed to distorting the truth.

Once again they have shown photos of glaciers melting and falling into the sea.....Where exactly were those photos taken in the Arctic?

If this was Facebook I would give this post a like button .... This is the best I can do for now.

 

[wayneL]

Sea level rise:

4 New Papers: Anthropogenic Signal Not Detectable in Sea Level Rise

By Kenneth Richard

It is widely assumed that sea levels have been rising in recent decades largely in response to anthropogenic global warming. However, due to the inherently large contribution of natural oscillatory influences on sea level fluctuations, this assumption lacks substantiation. Instead, natural factors or internal variability override the detection of an anthropogenic signal and may instead largely explain the patterns in sea level rise in large regions of the global oceans.

Scientists who have recently attempted to detect an anthropogenic signal in regional sea level rise trends have had to admit that there is “no observable sea-level effect of anthropogenic global warming,” or that the “sea level rise pattern does not correspond to externally forced anthropogenic sea level signal,” and that sea level “trends are still within the range of long-term internal decadal variability.”

Below are highlighted summaries from 4 peer-reviewed scientific papers published within the last few months.

1. Hansen et al., 2016

For the convenience of the readers, our basic results are shown in Figure 1. We identified five individual oscillations (upper panel), including a sea-level amplitude of 70 mm (top–bottom [t-b]) of the 18.6-year oscillation caused by the lunar nodal oscillation (LNO) … Together with a general sea-level rise of 1.18 mm/y, the sum of these five sea-level oscillations constitutes a reconstructed or theoretical sea-level curve of the eastern North Sea to the central Baltic Sea (Figure 1, lower panel), which correlates very well with the observed sea-level changes of the 160-year period (1849–2009), from which 26 long tide gauge time series are available from the eastern North Sea to the central Baltic Sea. Such identification of oscillators and general trends over 160 years would be of great importance for distinguishing long-term, natural developments from possible, more recent anthropogenic sea-level changes. However, we found that a possible candidate for such anthropogenic development, i.e. the large sea-level rise after 1970, is completely contained by the found small residuals, long-term oscillators, and general trend. Thus, we found that there is (yet) no observable sea-level effect of anthropogenic global warming in the world’s best recorded region.




2. Palanisamy, 2016

Building up on the relationship between thermocline and sea level in the tropical region, we show that most of the observed sea level spatial trend pattern in the tropical Pacific can be explained by the wind driven vertical thermocline movement. By performing detection and attribution study on sea level spatial trend patterns in the tropical Pacific and attempting to eliminate signal corresponding to the main internal climate mode, we further show that the remaining residual sea level trend pattern does not correspond to externally forced anthropogenic sea level signal. In addition, we also suggest that satellite altimetry measurement may not still be accurate enough to detect the anthropogenic signal in the 20-year tropical Pacific sea level trends.

3. Hadi Bordbar et al., 2016

The tropical Pacific has featured some remarkable trends during the recent decades such as an unprecedented strengthening of the Trade Winds, a strong cooling of sea surface temperatures (SST) in the eastern and central part, thereby slowing global warming and strengthening the zonal SST gradient, and highly asymmetric sea level trends with an accelerated rise relative to the global average in the western and a drop in the eastern part. These trends have been linked to an anomalously strong Pacific Walker Circulation, the major zonal atmospheric overturning cell in the tropical Pacific sector, but the origin of the strengthening is controversial. Here we address the question as to whether the recent decadal trends in the tropical Pacific atmosphere-ocean system are within the range of internal variability, as simulated in long unforced integrations of global climate models. We show that the recent trends are still within the range of long-term internal decadal variability.

4. Dangendorf et al., 2016

The observed 20th century sea level rise represents one of the major consequences of anthropogenic climate change. However, superimposed on any anthropogenic trend there are also considerable decadal to centennial signals linked to intrinsic natural variability in the climate system. … Gravitational effects and ocean dynamics further lead to regionally varying imprints of low frequency variability. In the Arctic, for instance, the causal uncertainties are even up to 8 times larger than previously thought. This result is consistent with recent findings that beside the anthropogenic signature, a non-negligible fraction of the observed 20th century sea level rise still represents a response to pre-industrial natural climate variations such as the Little Ice Age.
- See more at: http://notrickszone.com/2016/08/01/...e-sea-level-rise-signal/#sthash.WW6plw7G.dpuf

 

[wayneL]

and more.....

A few more 2015 papers with similar conclusions:

http://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1748-9326/10/8/084024 “[T]he anthropogenic sea level fingerprint on regional sea level trends in the tropical Pacific is still too small to be observable by satellite altimetry. … [T]he residual positive trend pattern observed in the western tropical Pacific is not externally forced and thereby not anthropogenic in origin.”

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/2015JC011139/full “According to long-term sea level reconstruction and steric sea level data, regional sea levels in the tropical Pacific have oscillated between east and west on a decadal time scale over the past 60 years, but the oscillation has been intensified significantly in the last three decades. Using conditional composite analysis, we show that the recent intensification in sea level variability is caused by modulation between the Pacific Decadal Oscillation (PDO) and El Niño-Southern Oscillation (ENSO), i.e., an El Niño in a positive PDO or a La Niña in a negative PDO phase.”

http://www.geosci-model-dev.net/8/2723/2015/gmd-8-2723-2015.pdf “In case of the historical scenario, the difference between mean and median depth of thermal expansion shows that the amount of thSLR [thermal expansion-induced sea level rise] due to the externally forced warming during the period 1986–2005 is small compared to the underlying interannual variability that is generated by the internal variability of ocean dynamics (Palmer et al., 2009; Palter et al., 2014).” - See more at: http://notrickszone.com/2016/08/01/...e-sea-level-rise-signal/#sthash.WW6plw7G.dpuf

 

[basilio]

So no comments about the remainder of George Monbiots analysis of the extent of the global climate crisis ?
Irrelevant ? Too big to talk about ? Easier to dismiss the anthrax scare as just small potatoes ?

Is it worth pointing to the huge floods in China, the heat waves in India the wildfires in America ect.
Perhaps not.

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Wayne with regard to the papers that suggest there is no significant rises in sea levels.
Does that mean I should start quoting the numerous papers that clearly show sea levels are rising ? That's no problem.

But on the bigger picture of melting ice caps, and warming seas which clearly expand the volume of the oceans ? Where will this water go in the future ? Is there a new physics or an alternative that can disappear ice melt and stop warm water from expanding ? That would be interesting

 

[SirRumpole]

Getting serious or a PR exercise ?

CSIRO: Greg Hunt instructs organisation to renew climate science focus, confirms new jobs

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-08-04/greg-hunt-tells-csiro-to-renew-climate-science-focus/7688582

 

[wayneL]

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Wayne with regard to the papers that suggest there is no significant rises in sea levels.
Does that mean I should start quoting the numerous papers that clearly show sea levels are rising ? That's no problem.

But on the bigger picture of melting ice caps, and warming seas which clearly expand the volume of the oceans ? Where will this water go in the future ? Is there a new physics or an alternative that can disappear ice melt and stop warm water from expanding ? That would be interesting

Oh jeez bas, such a clear illustration of your disingenuity and amatuer straw man tactics.

At no time did I or any of the authors of those papers claim sea level is not rising. The papers show there is no, or very little discernible anthropogenic signal.... Which has been my consistent position.

 

[trainspotter]

So no comments about the remainder of George Monbiots analysis of the extent of the global climate crisis ?
Irrelevant ? Too big to talk about ? Easier to dismiss the anthrax scare as just small potatoes ?

Is it worth pointing to the huge floods in China, the heat waves in India the wildfires in America ect.
Perhaps not.

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Wayne with regard to the papers that suggest there is no significant rises in sea levels.
Does that mean I should start quoting the numerous papers that clearly show sea levels are rising ? That's no problem.

But on the bigger picture of melting ice caps, and warming seas which clearly expand the volume of the oceans ? Where will this water go in the future ? Is there a new physics or an alternative that can disappear ice melt and stop warm water from expanding ? That would be interesting

Do you actually understand what has been written? Both wayneL and myself have been very kid glove with you basilio to ensure we are not pushing you to a tipping point and start melting. Gloves are now off.

As for George Joshua Richard Monbiot ... he is a British writer, known for his environmental and political activism. DERP!!

Not a scientist nor an IPCC official nor even a weather man. A fictional activist writer for a rag of a newspaper. His job is to string words together to sell newspapers. PERIOD.

And here I was thinking you were getting somewhere when you started sprouting you only believe in FACTS!

ONE CHILD DIED from (possible) anthrax being released from permafrost.

38 people per annum die from licking a 9v battery. You do the math.

 

[noco]

Is it worth pointing to the huge floods in China, the heat waves in India the wildfires in America ect.
Perhaps not.


Wayne with regard to the papers that suggest there is no significant rises in sea levels.
Does that mean I should start quoting the numerous papers that clearly show sea levels are rising ? That's no problem.

But on the bigger picture of melting ice caps, and warming seas which clearly expand the volume of the oceans ? Where will this water go in the future ? Is there a new physics or an alternative that can disappear ice melt and stop warm water from expanding ? That would be interesting

Bas, it has all happened before so worrying about it all.

As for the sea levels rising, there will probably be more sink holes to fill which will maintain sea levels at their current levels...Problem solved..