Resisting Climate Hysteria

[wayneL]

Now let's try this Quick Quiz;

1/Which Multi national Oil Company Funded Exxon's CC research?
Was it...
a... Soviet Russia

b... The Queenland Housewives Association

c...Cobb&Co

d... The Leyland Brothers

2/ Which Fossil Fuel Conglomerate Funded The Koch Brother CC research?
Was it...
a... Soviet Russia

b... The Queenland Housewives Association

c...Cobb&Co

d... The Leyland Brothers

3/ Which lying Fasist Quisling Government/and or ancillary funded the Stern Report into the Economic effects of CC?
Was it..
a... Soviet Russia

b... The Queenland Housewives Association, 'pass me the Courier Mail Marge'.

c... The IPA in association with the LNP

d... The Rockefeller Foundation...'We got a Gusher'


4/ How do get a obscuratist zelot to retrive it's head from it own bum?
Do you ...
a... Not bother

b... Why Bother

C... 'Oh Brother'

d... slowly watch them Walk The Max Planck

Amusing dahling.

But really only serves to highlight your particular bias. All research requires funding. The favourite tactics of the Armageddon fantasists is:

1/ The fallacy that unless the conclusion is Apocalypse Now, the research is tainted. That *may* be true in *some* cases, but ignores their own black hole of a bias blind spot that much of their own research is tainted by the funding imperative.

Not to recognise that is asinine in the extreme.

2/ The old ad hominem fallacy, the kindergarten tactic of name calling and attempted mockery.

While that probably garners applause from the peanut gallery, in a true scientific debate it's just low brow pettiness.

Sorry orr, opposite to what you intended, but pick up the tone a bit and you might be include among the adults.

 

[SirRumpole]

Cape Grim carbon dioxide reading exceeds 400ppm landmark for first time

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-05-...ing-reaches-400ppm-for-the-first-time/7417434

 

[Ijustnewit]

Cape Grim carbon dioxide reading exceeds 400ppm landmark for first time

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-05-...ing-reaches-400ppm-for-the-first-time/7417434

This is not great news , however as in the article it is mentioned that El Nino is the main cause of this jump. Another factor left out of this report by error is the fact that across that whole area of Tasmania since October and into Summer and Autumn there have been major uncontrolled bushfires. Also forestry Tasmania has continued to have reduction burns as an ongoing process this time of year. It would therefore make perfect sense that the reading would be very high .

 

[explod]

This is not great news , however as in the article it is mentioned that El Nino is the main cause of this jump. Another factor left out of this report by error is the fact that across that whole area of Tasmania since October and into Summer and Autumn there have been major uncontrolled bushfires. Also forestry Tasmania has continued to have reduction burns as an ongoing process this time of year. It would therefore make perfect sense that the reading would be very high .

Ok, why is El Nino such a problem?

Why so many uncontrolled bushfires?

You got it, accellerating climate change.

 

[basilio]

Latest figures are in for Global temperature.

No surprise after the last 6 months. We are cooking. The next question is whether this particular extended spell will trigger tipping points in the world ecology ie accelerate breakdown of perma frost.

April breaks global temperature record, marking seven months of new highs

Latest monthly figures add to string of recent temperature records and all but assure 2016 will be hottest year on record

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April 2016 was the hottest April on record globally – and the seventh month in a row to have broken global temperature records.

The latest figures smashed the previous record for April by the largest margin ever recorded.

It makes three months in a row that the monthly record has been broken by the largest margin ever, and seven months in a row that are at least 1C above the 1951-80 mean for that month. When the string of record-smashing months started in February, scientists began talking about a “climate emergency”.

Figures released by Nasa over the weekend show the global temperature of land and sea was 1.11C warmer in April than the average temperature for April during the period 1951-1980.

 

[basilio]

Amusing dahling.

But really only serves to highlight your particular bias. All research requires funding. The favourite tactics of the Armageddon fantasists is:

1/ The fallacy that unless the conclusion is Apocalypse Now, the research is tainted. That *may* be true in *some* cases, but ignores their own black hole of a bias blind spot that much of their own research is tainted by the funding imperative.

Not to recognise that is asinine in the extreme.

2/ The old ad hominem fallacy, the kindergarten tactic of name calling and attempted mockery.

While that probably garners applause from the peanut gallery, in a true scientific debate it's just low brow pettiness.

Sorry orr, opposite to what you intended, but pick up the tone a bit and you might be include among the adults.

One of the most important features of scientific research is peer review both formally and informally. It is always essential to check the parameters, logic and calculations studies.

In the field of Climate studies the overwhelming majority of peer reviewed research has acknowledged that

1) The world is warming at a rate unparalleled in history.
2) On all the best analysis the major contributor to this warming is the increase in GG gases since the Industrial revolution.

Yep there are other factors. But CO2, Methane are the big drivers of global warming particularly in the past 50 years.

The problem with the anti global warming sector is their almost total failure at being scientists.

This forum won't even acknowledge that the world is warming at the rate that is being measured by NASA, and the other meteorological agencies. According to the deniers the figures are manipulated. Up until recently there was an attempt to use UAH measures of global temperature (in the atmosphere) to prove the world wasn't warming. As Wayne pointed out, by referencing the article he did, even these figures have now shown we are cooking. And more significantly important adjustments to how these figures were obtained has caused scientists to reassess past figures - upwards.

As to the cause of any global warming ? The deniers camp has attempted at every stage to dismiss and diminish the effect of CO2 as a powerful greenhouse gas. It's the sun, volcanoes, anything else ! The reason for this refusal to face reality ? Exactly the same reasons why tobacco companies denied smoking caused cancer, asbestos companies denied asbestos caused cancer, paint and petrol companies denied lead was poisoning people. The answer will affect the pockets of powerful vested interests.

Is the picture clear enough?

There is no truth in saying the world is not warming at an unprecedented rate
There is no truth in saying we don't know why.

To say otherwise makes one simply ignorant, wilfully ignorant or a deliberate liar.

 

[explod]

Why do you keep quoting a single novel?

Because there is a lot to it and you today are the first to question it at all since I first raised it on this forum over two years ago. And love books, my Mother introduced me to Charles Dickens when I was 14 and had to leave school to help support my 7 younger siblings.

This ones titled has been used by two other Authors since:-

"The Sixth Extinction" by James Rollins" Orion 2014, fictional extinction like star wars; and

"The Sixth Extinction" by Elizabeth Kolbert, Bloomsbury 2014, on the pressures of our changing planet on plants and animal life. You will remember my comments often on the tadpoles on our farm when I was a child and how the drought of 69 wiped them out never to return. Well Kolbert (inst.) points out that frogs are the oldest surviving and very first land mammals and go back nearly a billion years and were well prior to the dinosaur. Our current climate on its down hill run looks like wiping them out. However I digress, but a good book also.

The first published book to which I bang on about is unpopular with general lobbies and consensus for good reason, the clear facts leave little argument. Unfortunately (too big a heart) I leant my copy to someone a few years back and it has not returned. However just put a hold on it at the library so that in a few days I will refresh myself properly.

INTERESTING how others can lift another's book title. Never stop running into funny smells like this around climate

 

[cynic]

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Is the picture clear enough?

There is no truth in saying the world is not warming at an unprecedented rate
There is no truth in saying we don't know why.

To say otherwise makes one simply ignorant, wilfully ignorant or a deliberate liar.

Yes that seems pretty clear to me.

You believe that anyone in disagreement with your convictions is either stupid or lying.

How exactly does the adoption of such a stance aid the progression of science?

 

[Knobby22]

To say otherwise makes one simply ignorant, wilfully ignorant or a deliberate liar.

Basilio, not really true, read this and you will understand why. Dr Spock (Star Trek)was right.

Decisions Are Emotional, not Logical: The Neuroscience behind Decision Making
http://bigthink.com/experts-corner/...gical-the-neuroscience-behind-decision-making

 

[explod]

Yes that seems pretty clear to me.

You believe that anyone in disagreement with your convictions is either stupid or lying.

How exactly does the adoption of such a stance aid the progression of science?

It has little to do with agreement in my view and it appears science as it evolves is all over the plac, so as a child in front of the lollies, take your pick.

It is what we are seeing before our eyes, if you have been a looker, and what old farmers and gardeners are seeing and saying. Things are changing before our eyes that have heen stable for millions of years.

 

[Tisme]

Because I can read the internet, I have become an expert on climate change in the last 10 or so minutes. Apparently we are in a negative phase of a 15 to 30 years Pacific Decadal Oscillation (PDO) phase that is causing all that acquired heat to be stored ready to release as if a temperature capacitor. Look out when it discharges and you don't have your aircond ready to hand.

This is fairly serious because there is a three letter acronym in play here.

 

[noco]

Cape Grim carbon dioxide reading exceeds 400ppm landmark for first time

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-05-...ing-reaches-400ppm-for-the-first-time/7417434

WOW..WE ARE ALL GONNA DIE

I've already got my niche booked at the crematorium.

 

[noco]

Latest figures are in for Global temperature.

No surprise after the last 6 months. We are cooking. The next question is whether this particular extended spell will trigger tipping points in the world ecology ie accelerate breakdown of perma frost.

I just love all these graphs...very pretty......Like a rain bow but I can't see that pot of gold at the end.

 

[cynic]

It has little to do with agreement in my view and it appears science as it evolves is all over the plac, so as a child in front of the lollies, take your pick.

It is what we are seeing before our eyes, if you have been a looker, and what old farmers and gardeners are seeing and saying. Things are changing before our eyes that have heen stable for millions of years.

Let me see if I correctly understand the views you are expressing here:

(i) This matter isn't really about agreement

(ii) science as it evolves is all over the place

(iii) visual observations of change to things that you believe to have been stable for millions of years are being made by farmers and gardeners


So if evolving science is all over the place, and agreement isn't really an issue, how did you determine that there was millions of years of stability in areas that farmers and gardeners now agree are changing?

Are you or those farmers millions of years old?

Let me guess, if I read that book you keep mentioning, all will be made clear, right?

So I take it there will be no dependence on agreement or science that is "all over the plac" in the matters that esteemed tome expounds?

 

[cynic]

Because I can read the internet, I have become an expert on climate change in the last 10 or so minutes. Apparently we are in a negative phase of a 15 to 30 years Pacific Decadal Oscillation (PDO) phase that is causing all that acquired heat to be stored ready to release as if a temperature capacitor. Look out when it discharges and you don't have your aircond ready to hand.

This is fairly serious because there is a three letter acronym in play here.

FTSE it!

Why can't those FTSEing FTSEers use FTSEing four letter acronyms beginning with "F" when they tell us how FTSEed up the situation is and how all us FTSEing FTSEers are all FTSEing doomed because we didn't FTSEing listen!

 

[noco]

Amusing dahling.

But really only serves to highlight your particular bias. All research requires funding. The favourite tactics of the Armageddon fantasists is:

1/ The fallacy that unless the conclusion is Apocalypse Now, the research is tainted. That *may* be true in *some* cases, but ignores their own black hole of a bias blind spot that much of their own research is tainted by the funding imperative.

Not to recognise that is asinine in the extreme.

2/ The old ad hominem fallacy, the kindergarten tactic of name calling and attempted mockery.

While that probably garners applause from the peanut gallery, in a true scientific debate it's just low brow pettiness.

Sorry orr, opposite to what you intended, but pick up the tone a bit and you might be include among the adults.

Wayne old mate, as I mentioned in one of my previous posts, the GREENS are very clever at the marketing of their manipulated scam of "THEIR PEER REVIEWED SCIENCE" led by Ban-ki-Moon and the UN who are striving for World Government......They must be "RIGHT" when 97% of scientists agree......They must keep plugging this scam daily in the hope of sucking in the young and the naive to covert the world into their beliefs.

Say it often enough and some will believe it.

The ALARMIST are using this ASF thread for free advertising and they will keep it alive as long as they can no matter what you throw up at them....It is like pouring water on a duck's back.

 

[Tisme]

FTSE it!

Why can't those FTSEing FTSEers use FTSEing four letter acronyms beginning with "F" when they tell us how FTSEed up the situation is and how all us FTSEing FTSEers are all FTSEing doomed because we didn't FTSEing listen!

I guess coz they are being FTSEing ignored?

 

[Ijustnewit]

Explod , the point I was trying to make about the Cape Grim story is that if the monitoring station is bang smack in the middle of a bushfire and back burning zone it will affect the results.
Why wasn't the bushfire Co2 emissions mentioned in the story ? and taken into account ? Climate Hysteria that's why.

We are all cooking and May is well on track to break all heat records as well , the good news is here in Tasmania I can still wear shorts and t shirts and have not had to use the gas heating once yet this year. Not to mention the flowers are blooming thinking it is Spring already and my tomatoes are still producing crops. So it's not all bad .

 

[basilio]

Basilio, not really true, read this and you will understand why. Dr Spock (Star Trek)was right.

Decisions Are Emotional, not Logical: The Neuroscience behind Decision Making
http://bigthink.com/experts-corner/...gical-the-neuroscience-behind-decision-making

Your right Knobby. I was wrong to be as simplistic as I was in my earlier statement.

There are many emotional aspects to peoples decisions. Things aren't as black and white as I made out. However in the case of CC I suggest the scientific evidence of what is happening is extremely strong. In that context I suggest that anyone standing up as a leader needs to look at the evidence more dispassionately and more objectively than just emotional responses allow.

I don't believe our leaders are doing this.

 

[wayneL]

One of the most important features of scientific research is peer review both formally and informally. It is always essential to check the parameters, logic and calculations studies.

In the field of Climate studies the overwhelming majority of peer reviewed research has acknowledged that

1) The world is warming at a rate unparalleled in history.
2) On all the best analysis the major contributor to this warming is the increase in GG gases since the Industrial revolution.

Yep there are other factors. But CO2, Methane are the big drivers of global warming particularly in the past 50 years.

The problem with the anti global warming sector is their almost total failure at being scientists.

This forum won't even acknowledge that the world is warming at the rate that is being measured by NASA, and the other meteorological agencies. According to the deniers the figures are manipulated. Up until recently there was an attempt to use UAH measures of global temperature (in the atmosphere) to prove the world wasn't warming. As Wayne pointed out, by referencing the article he did, even these figures have now shown we are cooking. And more significantly important adjustments to how these figures were obtained has caused scientists to reassess past figures - upwards.

As to the cause of any global warming ? The deniers camp has attempted at every stage to dismiss and diminish the effect of CO2 as a powerful greenhouse gas. It's the sun, volcanoes, anything else ! The reason for this refusal to face reality ? Exactly the same reasons why tobacco companies denied smoking caused cancer, asbestos companies denied asbestos caused cancer, paint and petrol companies denied lead was poisoning people. The answer will affect the pockets of powerful vested interests.

Is the picture clear enough?

There is no truth in saying the world is not warming at an unprecedented rate
There is no truth in saying we don't know why.

To say otherwise makes one simply ignorant, wilfully ignorant or a deliberate liar.

In your zeal to regurgitate the mantra (again), you have totally missed my point.

Tell ya what, share a cab with Horace when I pull out those hard science *peer reviewed* equine papers.

You can cast an unbiased eye over them and we can all fall about, laughing our a55es off.

I don't expect you will connect the dots, but at least it will be a fun evening.