Resisting Climate Hysteria

[noco]

Abbott's government decided to lavish billions of our tax dollars on companies to reduce GHG emissions, Direct Action.

Why waste this money if Climate Change is crap ?

noco ?

As I said before if one continue to argue with idiots, people will begin to think you are an idiot as well.

I can't be bothered anymore so by all means I will let you have the last say..I am sure it will give your naive narrow mind a lot of satisfaction...But take it a capitulation on my part ...far from it.

 

[cynic]

As I said before if one continue to argue with idiots, people will begin to think you are an idiot as well.

I can't be bothered anymore so by all means I will let you have the last say..I am sure it will give your naive narrow mind a lot of satisfaction.

Noco, whilst I share some of your frustration at being heard by those with reluctance to share your viewpoint I don't think that exchanging insults will serve any worthwhile purpose.

 

[explod]

Anyway,

todays news is about the dying mangrove swamps across the northern coastal areas of the continent.
A scientist live on ABC TV this morning set out facts of temperature increase that are pretty alarming. Much more he stated than the normal el nino and other weather cycles of the past.

He looked a bit like a farmer or even a farrior that knows his stuff. Nothing like the sort of scientists that some here say are in fairy land.

 

[wayneL]

To which posts and poster do you allude?

In trying to sound clever, orr makes herself unclear. However her intention to misrepresent is clear.

 

[noco]

Noco, whilst I share some of your frustration at being heard by those with reluctance to share your viewpoint I don't think that exchanging insults will serve any worthwhile purpose.

Yes you are correct and I don't like it either......But if certain people on this Forum want to send insults to me, then they should be prepared to receive those insults back......Some only know one way which is to character assassinate a member whose view point they do not agree upon...civility cost nothing.

 

[basilio]

So I looked up DeSmog bas and I see that neither of these guys has a scientific qualification and are in fact, leftist activists.

The irony of the name "DeSmog" is intense as the blog has absolutely no intention to clarify the science surrounding climate change, rather, using subterfuge to promote their activism.

This is advocacy and politics, not science.

So I can safely lump them in with other lunatics, Armageddonists, vested interests and totalitarian brownshirts just like Straightjacket Hansen, Romm the wrong, Cook(ing the books), Nuttercelli, The Moonbat, Mann the butthurt and the rest of them.

Let's cut the advocacy shall we bas?

Desmog is not a science group. They are journalists who examine the facts surrounding the organisations that purport to be discussing the non warming of the planet by the totally innocent greenhouse gases. If they were mistaken or lying Wayne you can be absolutely sure they would be taken to court wouldn't they ? But that hasn't happened has it? What do you think that says about their journalism ?

At this stage of course given how challenging it is to credibly say the planet isn't warming at a serious rate the only alternative of deniers is to trash, trash and up the ante.

Hence your inability to actually look at facts but trash the scientists. That was a vewry special range of insults you managed Wayne. Must deserve some sort of award.

Perhaps the Calliope Prize ??

 

[cynic]

In trying to sound clever, orr makes herself unclear. However her intention to misrepresent is clear.

Another comical aspect is the fanciful notion that agreeing with one thing somebody said, somehow constitutes agreement with other things that same somebody previously said!

Where's the logic in that? Is there a scientific basis or foundation to such an erroneous belief?

 

[wayneL]

1/ Desmog is not a science group.

2/ At this stage of course given how challenging it is to credibly say the planet isn't warming at a serious rate the only alternative of deniers is to trash, trash and up the ante.

3/ Hence your inability to actually look at facts but trash the scientists. .

1/ clearly

2/ Been through this and you clearly continue to misrepresent. That makes you a liar.

3/ Hypocrisy - You indulge in the most outrageous trashing of scientists if they disagree with your religion.

The difference between us bas, is that I DO actually look at facts and hence why I support moderate and unbiased scientists such as the Pielkes and Judith.

 

[noco]

It was interesting to note the history of this thread which was started by Mickel who was most skeptical of GLOBAL WARMING as per the link below.

http://quadrant.org.au/opinion/doomed-planet/2009/07/resisting-climate-hysteria/

In view of the above, one may reasonably ask why there is the current alarm, and, in particular, why the astounding upsurge in alarmism of the past 4 years. When an issue like global warming is around for over twenty years, numerous agendas are developed to exploit the issue. The interests of the environmental movement in acquiring more power, influence, and donations are reasonably clear. So too are the interests of bureaucrats for whom control of CO2 is a dream-come-true. After all, CO2 is a product of breathing itself. Politicians can see the possibility of taxation that will be cheerfully accepted because it is necessary for ‘saving’ the earth. Nations have seen how to exploit this issue in order to gain competitive advantages. But, by now, things have gone much further. The case of ENRON (a now bankrupt Texas energy firm) is illustrative in this respect. Before disintegrating in a pyrotechnic display of unscrupulous manipulation, ENRON had been one of the most intense lobbyists for Kyoto. It had hoped to become a trading firm dealing in carbon emission rights. This was no small hope. These rights are likely to amount to over a trillion dollars, and the commissions will run into many billions. Hedge funds are actively examining the possibilities; so was the late Lehman Brothers. Goldman Sachs has lobbied extensively for the ‘cap and trade’ bill, and is well positioned to make billions. It is probably no accident that Gore, himself, is associated with such activities. The sale of indulgences is already in full swing with organizations selling offsets to one’s carbon footprint while sometimes acknowledging that the offsets are irrelevant. The possibilities for corruption are immense. Archer Daniels Midland (America’s largest agribusiness) has successfully lobbied for ethanol requirements for gasoline, and the resulting demand for ethanol may already be contributing to large increases in corn prices and associated hardship in the developing world (not to mention poorer car performance). And finally, there are the numerous well meaning individuals who have allowed propagandists to convince them that in accepting the alarmist view of anthropogenic climate change, they are displaying intelligence and virtue For them, their psychic welfare is at stake.

Since then, there has been 7,707 posts and 367,910 viewers to date with the thread being used and abused by those with a political rather than an environmental agenda......It would be interesting to learn how many of those 367,910 viewers are alarmists and who are skeptics.

Where are you now Mickel?

 

[Tisme]

Noco, whilst I share some of your frustration at being heard by those with reluctance to share your viewpoint I don't think that exchanging insults will serve any worthwhile purpose.

Take it you are one of the few that hasn't been insulted with personal invective from said person?

 

[bellenuit]

There is an interesting visual at the following link showing Global Temperature Change over the last 166 years.

http://bgr.com/2016/05/10/climate-change-facts-2016-graph-visualization/

 

[basilio]

There is an interesting visual at the following link showing Global Temperature Change over the last 166 years.

http://bgr.com/2016/05/10/climate-change-facts-2016-graph-visualization/

I saw that and was pretty impressed. Very effective graphic.

Did you notice just how much bigger the last years result is? Stands out like the proverbials.

 

[explod]

I saw that and was pretty impressed. Very effective graphic.

Did you notice just how much bigger the last years result is? Stands out like the proverbials.

Agree very much. It alligns with what is being visually seen and felt the last year or so and one does not need to be a scientist to see that now. Unfortunately the scientists are always a few steps back waiting for the measurements to come in and be confirmed

Till now the poles and oceans have been able to absorb most of it but suddenly the cup is full and starting to spill over.

And from your previous post wayneL:

I note Pieikes indicates (2007) the warming is 28% co2 and 72% other activities. There is no clear indication of what makes up the 28% nor the components of the other 72%.

Judith Curry's common remark is the "uncertainty monster". And indeed it is, but does tgat mean we should sit on our hands. In 2014 stated that the 2degress above level should not be reached till the end of the 21st century. The IPCC stated 2040 but recent reports indicate we are hitting it now and the graph a few posts back would also confirm that possibility.

 

[cynic]

Take it you are one of the few that hasn't been insulted with personal invective from said person?

True, but not my reason for choosing to appeal to noco.

My concern was that the interchange appeared to be in danger of escalating. Given that my topical exchanges with the other party revealed our opinions to be almost diametrically opposed, I considered it prudent to appeal to the poster with least cause for misinterpreting my intent. My post most certainly was not intended to be seen as a judgment of guilt, nor was it an accusation about the party responsible for starting the interchange.

 

[cynic]

There is an interesting visual at the following link showing Global Temperature Change over the last 166 years.

http://bgr.com/2016/05/10/climate-change-facts-2016-graph-visualization/

An interesting visual. I note that the change is being displayed in degrees centigrade and wonder why climate scientists aren't using degrees kelvin for their research calculations.

 

[SirRumpole]

Yes very interesting visual. I note that the change is being displayed indegrees centigrade and wonder why climate scientists aren't using degrees kelvin for their research calculations.

Some people might say it was voodoo climate change because they don't know what degrees K means.

 

[Tisme]

True, but not my reason for choosing to appeal to noco.

My concern was that the interchange appeared to be in danger of escalating. Given that my topical exchanges with the other party revealed our opinions to be almost diametrically opposed, I considered it prudent to appeal to the poster with least cause for misinterpreting my intent. My post most certainly was not intended to be seen as a judgment of guilt, nor was it an accusation about the party responsible for starting the interchange.

It never gets that far, just old war horses getting residual doses of manly hormones from desperate gonads.

 

[Tisme]

Some people might say it was voodoo climate change because they don't know what degrees K means.

With a name like Kelvin, he would be a cafe latte socialist.

 

[SirRumpole]

With a name like Kelvin, he would be a cafe latte socialist.

Sounds worse than a Fabian.

 

[cynic]

Some people might say it was voodoo climate change because they don't know what degrees K means.

Well I am sure that you will have googled it by now, or did you come back with absolute zero (those with knowledge of kelvin degrees will understand what is meant by this).