Resisting Climate Hysteria

[noco]

You ignore the facts put up and merely scoff with head in the sand

You mean those manipulated farcical peer reviewed facts? .....:jump:

 

[Tisme]

Any correlation between the globe expanding from heat soak and the current wave of earth quakes?

 

[basilio]

No ocean warming , no cyclones in NQ this season......Ocean has to be 28c for cyclones to form.....Ocean therefore must be cooling.

The good old commo paper the Guardian cheery picked one isolated case ...what about the other 2500 km of reef....he better check that out too.

Why not actually read the story Noco ?

Scientists report that the same scenes are being replicated along a 1,000km section of the reef, more than a third of its total expanse. Of 500 reefs between Cairns and Papua New Guinea surveyed during this current episode, 95% have experienced significant coral bleaching – only four reefs showed no impact.

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/apr/17/great-barrier-reef-worst-destruction

 

[noco]

Why not actually read the story Noco ?



http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/apr/17/great-barrier-reef-worst-destruction

Yes more exaggeration from the good old commie paper the Guardian.......I could not give credence to anything they come up with...Full of lies and propaganda.

I would prefer to take note of Professor Peter Ridd JCU who has studied the the Barrier Reef for 30 years and he is still adamant the reef is in excellent shape.

The reef will survive as it has down for the past 1000 years......I can recall them talking about coral bleaching back in the 1950 when I holidayed on South Molle Island as a teenager...I went out to the reef and saw it for myself.....

So stop worrying Bas...the Sun will rise in the morning and next year if the ocean's temperature rises to 28c we might even get one or two cyclones but while the ocean is cooler than normal....no cyclones.....do your own research or contact Peter Ridd at JCU Townsville I am sure he will be very informative with his superior knowledge of the reef.

 

[basilio]

Yes more exaggeration from the good old commie paper the Guardian.......I could not give credence to anything they come up with...Full of lies and propaganda.

I would prefer to take note of Professor Peter Ridd JCU who has studied the the Barrier Reef for 30 years and he is still adamant the reef is in excellent shape.

Keep digging Noco. I think you have gone past bedrock and should reach the mantle soon. Perhaps if you cut into an underground stream it might wash some sense into you.

Anyway responding to your ignorant rubbish is a waste of time and energy. I'll leave it at that
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The research was done for and behalf of a group of Reef stakeholders including the Tourist Authority.

 

[noco]

Keep digging Noco. I think you have gone past bedrock and should reach the mantle soon. Perhaps if you cut into an underground stream it might wash some sense into you.

Anyway responding to your ignorant rubbish is a waste of time and energy. I'll leave it at that
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The research was done for and behalf of a group of Reef stakeholders including the Tourist Authority.

LMAO...What a joke you Greenies are.....always right and anyone Else's opinion is rubbish....If you can't win an argument you always resort the Fabian method of ridicule, intimidation and character assassination.

 

[explod]

LMAO...What a joke you Greenies are.....always right and anyone Else's opinion is rubbish....If you can't win an argument you always resort the Fabian method of ridicule, intimidation and character assassination.

Now that is the pot calling the kettle BLACK.

 

[basilio]

Tackling Climate Change effectively

The one thing, which is most important, is the assertion by the fossil fuel industry and the people who support them, that it would be expensive to solve the problem, is absolutely wrong. There have been economic studies that show if you add a gradually rising fee to fossil fuels, by collecting a fee on fossil fuel companies at the source, the domestic mine, or port of entry, and if you distribute the money to the public, an equal amount to all legal residents, it would actually spur the economy. It would increase the gross domestic product and add millions of jobs.

We need to have such a common sense solution, which is revenue neutral, so it doesn’t make the government bigger. Instead of proposing taxes or regulations that conservatives will fight tooth and nail, we should find an approach that both liberals and conservatives would be willing to support. That’s what needs to be understood, that it’s not painful to solve this problem if we are smart, but we have to think this through.

 

[basilio]

What is happening to the Great Barrier Reef

The Great Barrier Reef: 93% hit by coral bleaching, surveys reveal

Date
April 20, 2016 - 6:00AM

195 reading now

Tom Arup

Although bleaching of the reef has occurred before, this event is by far the biggest.

Scientists surveying the mass coral bleaching on the Great Barrier Reef say only 7 per cent of Australia's environmental icon has been left untouched by the event.

The final results of plane and helicopter surveys by scientists involved in the National Coral Bleaching Taskforce has found that of the 911 reefs they observed, just 68 had escaped any sign of bleaching.
A diver checks out the bleaching on the Great Barrier Reef.

The severity of the bleaching is mixed across the barrier reef, with the northern stretches hit the hardest.

Overall, severe bleaching of between 60 and 100 per cent of coral was recorded on 316 reefs, almost all of them in the northern half of the barrier reef. Reefs in central and southern regions of the 2300 kilometre Great Barrier Reef have experienced more moderate to mild affects.

The mass bleaching event has been driven by significantly higher than average sea temperatures as a result of the current El Nino event, coupled with a long-term warming of the oceans due to climate change.

While the barrier reef has experienced mass coral bleaching events in the past – notably in 1998 and 2002 – Professor Terry Hughes, convenor of the bleaching taskforce, said the current event was by far the biggest.

http://www.smh.com.au/environment/t...bleaching-surveys-reveal-20160419-goa6jw.html

The coral around Sydney is also bleaching for the first time.

 

[Ijustnewit]

If this heat keeps up in Hobart ( 26C today and it's April ) we will see the end of our salmon industry one day soon . The bonus is we can now replace all the apple farms with pineapple farms and all the coral will move down here with rest of the tropical fish that have decided it's warm enough to call Tassie home now.

 

[Ijustnewit]

"Marine Heatwave longest Warm spell for Tasmania since records began "

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-04-...nce-records-began/7340366?WT.ac=statenews_tas

 

[noco]

What is happening to the Great Barrier Reef

http://www.smh.com.au/environment/t...bleaching-surveys-reveal-20160419-goa6jw.html

The coral around Sydney is also bleaching for the first time.

Bas you and others have never explained to me why their has been no cyclones in North Queensland in the past 2 years......The waters in the Coral Sea have to be 28c to be able to form a cyclone....So all I can say is the waters are too cool.....Coral will not survive in cool waters as was demonstrated maybe a couple of 100 years ago in Morten Bay where coral reefs once thrived......they died because the waters were too cool......Coral reefs love warmer waters.

 

[Ves]

Bas you and others have never explained to me why their has been no cyclones in North Queensland in the past 2 years

I did a few weeks back and you never responded to my post. Actually, I recall providing a response to you on several occasions and being ignored.

https://www.aussiestockforums.com/f...17955&page=181&p=901052&viewfull=1#post901052

 

[Ves]

The basic theory of the three phases of ENSO are here:

http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/enso/history/ln-2010-12/three-phases-of-ENSO.shtml

TL;DR version is in each phase the ocean winds / currents are acting differently so the warmer water ends up in a different part of the Pacific Ocean.

During El Nino the water closer to the northern parts of Australia is cooler, so generally there is less rainfall and less cyclone activity. Land temperature is warmer because there is less cloud coverage etc.

During La Nina the water in that region is warmer.

 

[Ijustnewit]

Hottest March in Modern Times

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-04-20/hottest-march-in-modern-times/7340246

The way April has gone it will be the next story.

 

[basilio]

Mapping the coral bleaching on the Great Barrier Reef



http://www.smh.com.au/environment/c...oral-bleaching-surveys-reveal-20160419-goa6jw

 

[basilio]

Quiet cyclone season predicted for Australia as El Nino sets in

Date
October 12, 2015

Peter Hannam

Forecasters expect a below average cyclone season but we "will see floods" along with hailstorms and heatwaves.

This year's powerful El Nino in the Pacific will likely have one benefit for Australia, with fewer tropical cyclones expected in the region, the Bureau of Meteorology said.

There is only a 9 per cent chance that Australia will have more than the 11 cyclones typical for the November-April season, the bureau said in its seasonal outlook released on Monday. Of those 11, four storms usually cross the Australian mainland coast.

In El Nino years, weather patterns shift eastwards and conditions are less conducive for cyclones to form in the Australian region. Those patterns, including a stalling or reversal of the easterly equatorial trade winds in the Pacific, also tend to reduce rainfall and lift temperatures over much of Australia.

http://www.smh.com.au/environment/w...ralia-as-el-nino-sets-in-20151011-gk6o31.html

Straightforward explanation of current quiet cyclone season in Northern Queensland

 

[noco]

The basic theory of the three phases of ENSO are here:

http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/enso/history/ln-2010-12/three-phases-of-ENSO.shtml

TL;DR version is in each phase the ocean winds / currents are acting differently so the warmer water ends up in a different part of the Pacific Ocean.

During El Nino the water closer to the northern parts of Australia is cooler, so generally there is less rainfall and less cyclone activity. Land temperature is warmer because there is less cloud coverage etc.

During La Nina the water in that region is warmer.

One day we are talking about Global warming, how the oceanic waters are getting warmer to a depth of 1700feet due to green house gases and is causing coral bleaching.

Then another day the waters close to the northern parts of Australia is cooler.

Seems a bit confusing to say the least.

Ves, I did read your previous post which you claim I ignored and there is also some conflicting evidence...There are some gases which are more potent than x300 CO2...

There is plenty of mention of the burning of fossil fuels including cutting down forest trees for generating power....But I have asked the question several times, and I do not seem to get any answers from the alarmist, what is the % of green house gases produced from the massive bush fires we experience every year in Australia let alone apart from the rest of the world?...I would like someone to tell me what the proportion is of CO2 emitted by natural bush fires caused by lightning and man made CO2 here in Australia?

There is also little mention of the affects of the Sun on Global temperatures...For some reason the emphasis is always placed on man made.

How does the sun affect our climate?

The sun is the source of most of the energy that drives the biological and physical processes in the world around us—in oceans and on land it fuels plant growth that forms the base of the food chain, and in the atmosphere it warms air which drives our weather. The rate of energy coming from the sun changes slightly day to day. Over many millennia in the Earth-Sun orbital relationship can change the geographical distribution of the sun’s energy over the Earth’s surface. It has been suggested that changes in solar output might affect our climate—both directly, by changing the rate of solar heating of the Earth and atmosphere, and indirectly, by changing cloud forming processes.

Over the time-scale of millions of years the change in solar intensity is a critical factor influencing climate (e.g., ice ages). However, changes in solar heating rate over the last century cannot account for the magnitude and distribution of the rise in global mean temperature during that time period and there is no convincing evidence for significant indirect influences on our climate due to twentieth century changes in solar output.

Figure 1. Record of Minimal Variation in Sun’s Energy

Figure 1. Two and a half solar cycles of Total Solar Irradiance (TSI), also called 'solar constant'. This composite, compiled by the VIRGO team at the Physikalisch-Meteorologisches Observatorium / World Radiation Center Davos, Switzerland, shows TSI as daily values plotted in different colors for the different originating experiments. The difference between the minima values is also indicated, together with amplitudes of the three cycles. Image courtesy of SOHO consortium a project of international cooperation between ESA and NASA.

Explore more about the sun's effect on our climate.

 

[basilio]

Fundamental big change happening in Melbourne. A consortium of major businesses is putting out a tender for 110 gigawatts of renewable energy.

This will give the renewable energy a very big kick and the tender process itself will create framework for other communities and businesses to make similar decisions.

Energy: consortium offers to buy 110 gigawatt hours from renewables


@MikeySlezak

Wednesday 20 April 2016 08.08 AEST


Australia’s first large renewable energy project driven by a group of big energy consumers is a step closer to reality today, with the Melbourne Renewable Energy Project advertising its call for tenders for 110 gigawatt hours of renewable energy.

Organised by the City of Melbourne, the consortium includes two other councils, Australia Post, National Australia Bank, two universities and Zoos Victoria.

Between them they are offering to buy 110GWh of energy, which would require a renewable energy plant with about 15 wind turbines or 250,000 solar panels.

Councillor Arron Wood from the City of Melbourne said the project emerged from the council’s target to source 25% of its energy from renewables by 2018.

http://www.theguardian.com/environm...ers-to-buy-110-gigawatt-hours-from-renewables

 

[Smurf1976]

If this heat keeps up in Hobart ( 26C today and it's April ) we will see the end of our salmon industry one day soon . The bonus is we can now replace all the apple farms with pineapple farms and all the coral will move down here with rest of the tropical fish that have decided it's warm enough to call Tassie home now.

I won't claim that it's due to CO2, another man-made cause or is natural but overall there is a lot of data which shows that the climate in Tasmania has substantially changed and is approaching the point of becoming a problem as such.

You don't need to be a meteorologist or work in a directly affected industry to know that, anyone who has lived in Tas for 20+ years will be well aware that things have changed noticeably. What used to be permanently flowing minor streams are now permanently dry unless there's a flood. Where there used to be ice every winter it's rare now. Farms that were always wet have now spent big $ installing irrigation just to keep growing the same crops that previously were fine without it. Etc.

The change might be natural or it might be man-made but it's extremely obvious on this island that there is a change occurring.