Resisting Climate Hysteria

[Knobby22]

I like Curry's summary.
Hanson is challenging some of the present orthodoxies, like Curry does, except from the other end.
We need the Curry's and Hanson's in science as humans can easily go into groupthink due to our natural instincts.
You can be sure of one thing ~ the climate will not act completely as predicted. There will be surprises.

 

[trainspotter]

In my view we are at a point where climate change is accellerating to the point where by there is little point in this thread anymore. We have passed the two degrees up that we should not have passed and really noone givs a rats. As an old sociologist friend told me in 1995, 'just party, you cannot change human nature, they will only see what the can understand and want to.

Wayne ole Pal, as the eldest of eight grew up in very tough circumstances, Dad a returned w2 victim/serviceman, we lived outback, no phone electricity, miles from medical services. Dad drunk most of the time so i tried to hold it together for Mother. Left school barely literate to fend for them. At 17 when younger siblings could handle it went shearing and learnt about unionism and looking out for your fellows. Joined police force to give my wife a better life. Did well because i understood and related to people. Became a councillor and Mayor in one town I served. On promotion took charge of large police stations with problems and fixed them. At research and development was part of the team that developed neighbourhood watch and safety house, later adopted world wide. I alone developed the procedures protecting women with safe houses. Went to university where i excelked and could go on. And for the record, greens are not commo or left wing we just seek a fair go for everyone.

What about you Wayne ole Pal

Ohhhhhh plod I applaud you !!



Sums it up for me in reality in one simple cartoon.

 

[explod]

Thanks trainspotter.

Reminded me to check on what Waynes contribution to social welfare has been.

Interesting your post just now as this afternoon have been thinking about human survival in a planet turning into a hot desert. Exploring hot houses which are fairly self sustaining for water. Just moved to Bendigo where I'm linking with some like minds working on just this. Of course old mine shafts could be reinforced and adapted for habitation during the day etc.

Think about a thread or perhaps my gobbledygook could suffice. Clap hands here deniers

 

[trainspotter]

Thanks trainspotter.

Reminded me to check on what Waynes contribution to social welfare has been.

Interesting your post just now as this afternoon have been thinking about human survival in a planet turning into a hot desert. Exploring hot houses which are fairly self sustaining for water. Just moved to Bendigo where I'm linking with some like minds working on just this. Of course old mine shafts could be reinforced and adapted for habitation during the day etc.

Think about a thread or perhaps my gobbledygook could suffice. Clap hands here deniers

Too late plod me old keeper of the realm ... too late ...

Coober Pedy underground homes are not what you expect. The idea of living underground usually triggers thoughts of dark, damp and cramped spaces.

It doesn't help that those underground homes are called "dugouts" in Coober Pedy... Or that people are told that they are abandoned mine shafts...

http://www.outback-australia-travel-secrets.com/coober-pedy-underground-homes.html

 

[poverty]

So the next property bubble will be in Bendigo mineshafts for habitation during the day! 'Global Warming' oh sorry 'Climate Change', when is it actually happening? ****ing cold all the time. Another **** summer in Victoria, time to turn the heater on.

 

[wayneL]

Thanks trainspotter.

Reminded me to check on what Waynes contribution to social welfare has been.

Interesting your post just now as this afternoon have been thinking about human survival in a planet turning into a hot desert. Exploring hot houses which are fairly self sustaining for water. Just moved to Bendigo where I'm linking with some like minds working on just this. Of course old mine shafts could be reinforced and adapted for habitation during the day etc.

Think about a thread or perhaps my gobbledygook could suffice. Clap hands here deniers

Not sure what social contribution has to do with climate change, but I don't make such contributions for accolades. But if it is important for you to know, missus and I do a bit with troubled teenagers. Especially teaching them to think critically and not automatically swallow the official story on a range of topics.

That way, they become productive, and stave off the hopelessness the likes of you and basilio implant in them with incessant negativity and Armagedonist alarmism.

 

[noco]

In my view we are at a point where climate change is accellerating to the point where by there is little point in this thread anymore. We have passed the two degrees up that we should not have passed and really noone givs a rats. As an old sociologist friend told me in 1995, 'just party, you cannot change human nature, they will only see what the can understand and want to.

Wayne ole Pal, as the eldest of eight grew up in very tough circumstances, Dad a returned w2 victim/serviceman, we lived outback, no phone electricity, miles from medical services. Dad drunk most of the time so i tried to hold it together for Mother. Left school barely literate to fend for them. At 17 when younger siblings could handle it went shearing and learnt about unionism and looking out for your fellows. Joined police force to give my wife a better life. Did well because i understood and related to people. Became a councillor and Mayor in one town I served. On promotion took charge of large police stations with problems and fixed them. At research and development was part of the team that developed neighbourhood watch and safety house, later adopted world wide. I alone developed the procedures protecting women with safe houses. Went to university where i excelked and could go on. And for the record, greens are not commo or left wing we just seek a fair go for everyone.

What about you Wayne ole Pal

Plod, I think you are exaggerating things a bit with your 2 degrees up..I think you have left out a point in front of the 2...like .2c

Off topic I know, but I thought I would let you know Lee Rhinanon is still a communist as with most of the Greens and many of the Labor Party.

http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/...un/comments/all_that_green_cant_hide_the_red/

Gerard Henderson notes the infiltration of the Greens by the “watermelons” - green outside, red in. Take, for instance, the Greens’ lead Senate candidate in NSW, Lee Rhiannon:

Sure Rhiannon’s resume contains scant material about her radical past. However, the details are set out in Mark Aarons’s The Family File, the author’s account of his family’s long-time membership of the Communist Party of Australia.

Rhiannon is not responsible for the fact she is the daughter of long-time CPA operatives Bill and Freda Brown (no relation to Bob Brown). But she is responsible for continuing the family’s tradition as a young adult. In his book, Mark Aarons, the son of Laurie and Carol Aarons, says the Aarons and Brown families tolerated the excesses of communist totalitarianism up until the brutal invasion of Czechoslovakia by the Soviet Union in 1968. Then the communist movement split. The Aarons family stood up to Moscow but the Brown family adopted the position of continuing Stalinists and formed the Socialist Party of Australia.

Mark Aarons fell out with Rhiannon in the 1970s when, he claims, she refused to condemn the invasion of Czechoslovakia or the shooting of workers by the Polish communist dictatorship. He writes: “I could not conceive of someone of my age and experience supporting Moscow’s policies.”

Already there is evident tension between the Greens leadership in Canberra and Rhiannon. This is likely to increase if she wins a Senate vacancy.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...tor-lee-rhiannon/story-e6frg6z6-1226255689458

 

[explod]

Noco, what a load of wild speculative crap

The past is no measure of the future and it is well established that people who who can think for themselves and dare to question the status quo are branded commos and the like. Parliamentarians used to be able to speak their minds and be creative.

And, you think by planting a name it is felt that an argument is won, rubbish ole Pal. Substance with action is the only hope. Still have not told me where the jobs are coming from.

Go back to your Masonic cave Champ and plan a root for survival. Things are going to change in a big way soon and it will not be good for any of us, unfortunately.

And would like point form as to why I am a communist

 

[noco]

Noco, what a load of wild speculative crap

The past is no measure of the future and it is well established that people who who can think for themselves and dare to question the status quo are branded commos and the like. Parliamentarians used to be able to speak their minds and be creative.

And, you think by planting a name it is felt that an argument is won, rubbish ole Pal. Substance with action is the only hope. Still have not told me where the jobs are coming from.

Go back to your Masonic cave Champ and plan a root for survival. Things are going to change in a big way soon and it will not be good for any of us, unfortunately.

And would like point form as to why I am a communist

Bloody hell, you are clutching at straws now Plod....You stated the Greens were no commos and I gave you an example and you did not like it so you revert to the old Fabian style for an answer.
Do some more research on the Greens before you open your mouth.....Don't forget Julia Gillard was a self confessed Communist.

 

[noco]

:topic:topic

There a separate thread for the Greens Party.....Perhaps we should have further discussions and links on the appropriate thread....Lets reveal with some research in a who is who in the Greens Party and what their hidden agenda really is....For a start they a "WOLF IN SHEEP'S CLOTHING".

 

[explod]

Bloody hell, you are clutching at straws now Plod....You stated the Greens were no commos and I gave you an example and you did not like it so you revert to the old Fabian style for an answer.
Do some more research on the Greens before you open your mouth.....Don't forget Julia Gillard was a self confessed Communist.

No you did not noco.

Lets try another way.

What makes a communist?

What is the meaning of a communist in Australia today?

What is it that makes a communist bad in your view?

If we are (the Greens) real communists why are we not in that party?

Why are there only a handful of people in the communist party?

Remember when handing out how to vote at Geelong pre_poll for the last Federal election speaking with the Communist representative. He was further from Green philosophy than the Liberal Party. The greens are very much about free choice and real democracy. The communists would require obedience to their doctrines. A very big difference here.

 

[wayneL]

... it is well established that people who who can think for themselves and dare to question the status quo are branded commos...

Actually no, they are branded deniers... as you so disgracefully keep using.

 

[trainspotter]

This is how communism contributes to global warming (AHEM) climate change ...



No wait ... they contribute to polluting the Earth's atmosphere with this stuff ...

Russian production of oil and gas condensate increased to an average of 10.83 million barrels per day in December, compared with 10.78 million barrels per day in November, the ministry reported. For all of 2015, output was up to 10.73 million barrels today, compared with average 2014 production levels of 10.58 million barrels per day.

Many observers had expected Russia to reduce energy production during the past year to help rally prices in the midst of its current economic problems. For one thing, Moscow’s budget has been strained because oil revenues account for about 40 percent of its revenue.

And the country’s economy as a whole has been hurt by sanctions imposed by the United States and the European Union because of Moscow’s long involvement in the conflict in neighboring Ukraine. These sanctions have deprived Russia of the Western financing and technology it needs to streamline energy extraction.

http://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-N...-Continues-To-Post-Record-Oil-Production.html

 

[Smurf1976]

Always amuses me when people talk about "big oil" and infer that it's something to do with capitalism and oil companies.

If you add up the combined production of ExxonMobil, Shell, BP and Chevron then they're collectively considerably smaller than Saudi Aramco alone.

Big oil = governments mostly. Most of the oil majors actually produce as much or more gas as they do oil - they're "big gas" with a sideline in oil these days.

So far as gas is concerned, there is only one country on earth that exports gas and applies a "free market" approach to doing so, that being Australia. Everywhere else either doesn't export gas, has the industry in government ownership, or mandates that private operators shall supply domestic needs first, generally at lower prices than could be obtained via exports.

 

[trainspotter]

Ermmm oil huh? I thought Russia was up there with Saudia Arabia at approx 13% of world supply each.

According to the International Energy Agency (IEA), in 2012 over 64% of world oil production came from the top ten countries: Russia 544 Mt (13%), Saudi Arabia 520 Mt (13%), United States 387 Mt (9%), China 206 Mt (5%), Iran 186 Mt (4%), Canada 182 Mt (4%), United Arab Emirates 163 Mt (4%), Venezuela 162 Mt (4%), Kuwait 152 Mt (4%) and Iraq 148 Mt (4%). Total oil production was 4,142 Mt, up 3% from 4,011 Mt the previous year

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_oil_production

Interesting website which takes into account the military might of a country as well ...

http://www.globalfirepower.com/oil-production-by-country.asp

**** gets real here ...

https://www.iea.org/statistics/

 

[Tisme]

What is the meaning of a communist in Australia today?

.

It's what self confessed (sic) "super $rse holes" say it is.

 

[explod]

Actually no, they are branded deniers... as you so disgracefully keep using.

Yeh, just to get under your skirt ole Pal.

 

[wayneL]

Yeh, just to get under your skirt ole Pal.

That's very big of you Plod.

Is this infantilism of yours old age related, or a life-long affliction?

 

[basilio]

Hanson further damages his credibility.

http://www.climatechangenews.com/20...yptic-sea-level-study-lands-to-mixed-reviews/

At each public utterance, I am more and more vindicated basilio.

<ETA> Curry's assessment https://judithcurry.com/2015/07/26/hansens-backfire/

Really Wayne ? Really. Are we actually reading the same articles or do you simply find something in there that disagrees with James Hansen paper and use that to justify your dismissal of the whole concept. (and there were 18 other scientists who contributed to the analysis)

A few comments from Judith Curries analysis in June 2015.

Policy relevance

The policy relevance of the Hansen et al. paper is the articulation of a possible worst case scenario of sea level rise. In robust decision making, the plausible worst case scenario informs decision making but does not necessarily dominate the decision making process.

What role does a ‘possible’ worst case scenario play, apart from clarifying what is plausible? Well, to alarm people and to help build political will to ‘act’ on emissions reductions, particularly for forthcoming Paris COP.

JC reflections

That said, I am very sympathetic to what Hansen did. I regard him as a fellow maverick – thinking for himself and not afraid to challenge the ‘consensus’ – Hansen and I are of course on opposite ends of the climate maverick spectrum, with Hansen more alarmed and myself being less alarmed.

I think what Hansen did raises a whole host of very important issues about climate research, the science-policy interface, and how research is publicized. I will be addressing these issues in a follow-on post (which should be up Mon or Tues).

https://judithcurry.com/2015/07/26/hansens-backfire/

What else did Climate Home say about the paper.

For other scientists, that is beside the point. While media reports have focused on the worst case scenario – emphasised by Hansen – the paper itself is more nuanced.

Valerie Masson-Delmotte, one of the co-authors, told Climate Home: “For me, the most interesting part is not this sort of alarmist presentation, what is interesting is this is addressing a key unknown. It is the part that is related to the interplay between the ice sheets and the oceans.”

It points to where further data is needed to narrow down the range of predictions for the future. There is consensus that Antarctic and Greenland ice sheets are melting and causing oceans to rise. But how fast? That is the big question for millions of people living in coastal areas.

The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) will consider the study among others in its next report, said Masson-Delmotte, appointed to the UN body’s expert bureau last Autumn.

In fact, Hansen and colleagues do not predict huge sea level rise as such. They assume it is possible the polar ice sheets could disintegrate rapidly, then model the implications.

“The paper is highly hypothetical… it is an interesting thought experiment,” said glaciologist Ruth Mottram. “I don’t think it is very likely, but we shouldn’t dismiss it.”

http://www.climatechangenews.com/20...yptic-sea-level-study-lands-to-mixed-reviews/

The issue that should raise concern is the current exceptional increases in global temperatures and in particular the Arctic and Antarctic. The paper was analysing the possible consequences of a rapid breakdown of the ice sheets. The current temperature extremes just add further fuel to the risk of an acceleration of the ice sheet melt.

 

[explod]

That's very big of you Plod.

Is this infantilism of yours old age related, or a life-long affliction?

The disdain has us both way off focus. Lets pull our fkn socks up and talk about the hysteria in climate change.

Govmint spending millions to seek the health/bad effects in windmils. Maybe they should also investgate alternators in cars cause they are only about a metre away from the whole family.