Resisting Climate Hysteria

[trainspotter]

It is always interesting delving into the Mad Hatters world of CC on ASF.

The world has had its warmest July on record. Thats it. End of story. The temperature readings across the world on land and sea are the evidence of this simple matter of fact.

And the response from the usual suspects ? Oh we can find some average figures from satellites in the lower troposphere. Lets dish these up to offer an alternative reality to the thousands of on the ground measurements from meteorlogists around the world.

It leaves genuine scepticism at home and takes denial to a new art form.

And you want us to take you seriously ? Totally deluded or completly deceptive. Your choice.

The Mad Hatter: There is a place. Like no place on Earth. A land full of wonder, mystery, and danger! Some say to survive it: You need to be as mad as a hatter.

The Mad Hatter: Which luckily I am.

"Unprecedented" global warming during late 20th and early 21st centuries? Actually, the real unprecedented warming (and extreme climate change) happened well before the industrial age, as the below paleo & ancient temperature proxy reconstruction charts reveal (for the most part, in paleo-age descending order). Review the charts below and decide for yourself. (Collection of of modern global temp and regional temp charts.)

http://www.c3headlines.com/temperature-charts-historical-proxies.html

1880 - 2015 is not a long time in a "global climate change" history.

Our traditional analysis using only meteorological station data is a line plot of global annual-mean surface air temperature change, with the base period 1951-1980, derived from the meteorological station network [This is an update of Plate 6(b) in Hansen et al. (2001).] Uncertainty bars (95% confidence limits) are shown for both the annual and five-year means, account only for incomplete spatial sampling of data.

http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs_v3/

Yep it's getting hotter ... no wait ... it's getting colder?

In the Midwest and Northeast, February 2015 ranked as one of the coldest Februaries on record for many major cities. The slideshow above shows how the month finished for 10 locations from Chicago and Cincinnati to New York City and Boston.

For some major cities, it ranked as the coldest or second coldest February on record. In Syracuse, New York and Bangor, Maine, it was not only the coldest February on record, but also the coldest of any month since records began.

http://www.weather.com/news/news/top-five-coldest-february-midwest-northeast

Climate Change eh? So winters are getting colder and summers are getting hotter because of Co2 right?

What macca said is BANG ON !

 

[wayneL]

It is always interesting delving into the Mad Hatters world of CC on ASF.

The world has had its warmest July on record. Thats it. End of story. The temperature readings across the world on land and sea are the evidence of this simple matter of fact.

And the response from the usual suspects ? Oh we can find some average figures from satellites in the lower troposphere. Lets dish these up to offer an alternative reality to the thousands of on the ground measurements from meteorlogists around the world.

It leaves genuine scepticism at home and takes denial to a new art form.

And you want us to take you seriously ? Totally deluded or completly deceptive. Your choice.

In yet another display of astonishing and egregious hypocrisy, basilio, the lady who constantly pleads for us all to hold hands and chant Om, the first to go crying to anyone who will listen about how nasty we are, indulges in ad hominem most vile.

It is not the first time the shrieking adherents of the latest iteration of impending Apocalypse have heralded some tenuous shrillery that upon further analysis turns out to be a rerun of Chicken Little.

I will be waiting further analysis before I slit my wrists if you don't mind

 

[explod]

I will be waiting further analysis before I slit my wrists if you don't mind

That's it ole Pal, you must own one of those clean and graceful coal generators

 

[Knobby22]

The world has had its warmest July on record. Thats it. End of story. The temperature readings across the world on land and sea are the evidence of this simple matter of fact.

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Basilio - The link you gave has been changed and the graph deleted completely from the site. Lucky I copied it.
Interesting, political pressure??

 

[wayneL]

That's it ole Pal, you must own one of those clean and graceful coal generators

I don't own any energy stock Plod. Soros, the greenie/leftist hero, owns plenty of coal stocks however.

You sir however,are being a jerk. I thought better of you.

 

[basilio]

Just realised, of course, that I did overstate my claim about July 2015 being the hottest month on record.

I was making reference to the hottest month on record with regard to temperature figures taken from 1880. Absolutely no doubt that when dinasours roamed the earth it was warmer.

I note that Wayne, Noco et al want to wait for futher analysis before self immolation. Well clearly if you don't want to accept the daily temperature readings of the thousands of weather stations around the world you have absolutely nothing to worry about. As long as you can find some creative graph from Monckton or Jo Nova or some other denialist you will have a fig leag of cover for ignoring what is happening.

I'm sure as the summer rolls on we will see more references to temperatures in the Lower Troposhere to show it isn't as hot as the weather bureau is making out.

The details of where the world is cooking (and also quite chilly) makes for interesting reading.

http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/global/20150
PS And of course if the Lower Troposphere graphs look too dangerous we can always use cliamte data from Mars can't we?

 

[explod]

You sir however,are being a jerk. I thought better of you.

Do not mind being a jerk but I refuse to attack.

Keep to the SUBJECT ole Pal.

As with overpopulation and many other things. Global warming from coal etc., is a problem. Not hysteria, SO GET OVER IT.

 

[wayneL]

Astonishing, just astonishing.

I'd love to meet you two clowns face to face one day to see if you have the balls to say what you say here.

I suspect not.

 

[explod]

Astonishing, just astonishing.

I'd love to meet you two clowns face to face one day to see if you have the balls to say what you say here.

I suspect not.

Bring it on ole Pal. Excuse for being off topic but you may find it good. Have met others through ASF face to face and though our views differ in a lot of ways we have remained good firends. One goes back eight years.

Who is the other person you infer?

And again "clown" attacking the person. Thought of you better than that.

 

[wayneL]

More analysis http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/aug/23/tom-harris-global-warming-deceptive-temperature-re/

I'll look you up when I'm down in enemy territory plod. I'll cross swords with you anytime, anywhere.

Respect for that. The other girl would never have the guts.

 

[orr]

In the immortal words of 'HG Nelson and Rampaging Roy Salven', referencing Australia (strylya); 'If you carn't be smart , be punchy'{ circa 1994}
Little wonder your sexist refrains waynle, considering your arguments can be slapped out of the way with an empty cheap hand bag.

 

[explod]

In the immortal words of 'HG Nelson and Rampaging Roy Salven', referencing Australia (strylya); 'If you carn't be smart , be punchy'{ circa 1994}
Little wonder your sexist refrains waynle, considering your arguments can be slapped out of the way with an empty cheap hand bag.

Its off topic but each person has a view that should be considered.

For climate we need to encompass consenses. It IS THAT IMPORTANT.

My grandfather died when I was young from the gases endured on the French lines of WW1. He hardly spoke of the war experiencd but one thing he repeated to my Brothers and I was "when the sun set and the guns stopped they would talk with the enemy across the lines and the main theme was 'why are we fighting each other ' ".

It has served me well and particularly when as a plod.

 

[trainspotter]

Just realised, of course, that I did overstate my claim about July 2015 being the hottest month on record.

I was making reference to the hottest month on record with regard to temperature figures taken from 1880. Absolutely no doubt that when dinasours roamed the earth it was warmer.

I note that Wayne, Noco et al want to wait for futher analysis before self immolation. Well clearly if you don't want to accept the daily temperature readings of the thousands of weather stations around the world you have absolutely nothing to worry about. As long as you can find some creative graph from Monckton or Jo Nova or some other denialist you will have a fig leag of cover for ignoring what is happening.

I'm sure as the summer rolls on we will see more references to temperatures in the Lower Troposhere to show it isn't as hot as the weather bureau is making out.

The details of where the world is cooking (and also quite chilly) makes for interesting reading.

http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/global/20150
PS And of course if the Lower Troposphere graphs look too dangerous we can always use cliamte data from Mars can't we?

Mine was from NASA no doubt admitting uncertainty and incomplete spatial sampling with the base period 1951-1980,

Ladies ladies ladies ... some decorum PULEEEEZE !!

My Grandad asked me to balance an egg on one end ... I tried an tried and tried but I could not. He picked up the egg and smashed it down onto the table top. The egg shattered at the base but stayed upright. "You see ... it's easy when someone shows you how" he said.

 

[Tisme]

I see Kevin Rudd is still active :

https://twitter.com/hashtag/climatechange?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc^tfw

 

[SirRumpole]

I see Kevin Rudd is still active :

https://twitter.com/hashtag/climatechange?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc^tfw

Fortunately, a long way away.

 

[Logique]

Damn you Global Warming!

The National Highway closed by floods.. how could this be, when Tim Flannery told us, "..even the rain that falls won't fill the dams.."!

How could this happen, it's impossible that Tim Flannery could be wrong, the science being in and all..

5 August 2015 - Princes Highway [NSW] floods, road closed at Bewong, Berry | Photos, video Aug. 25, 2015

http://www.southcoastregister.com.a...d-closed-at-bewong-berry-photos-video/?cs=203

 

[explod]

Simple. The temperature at this stage has only gone up one or two degrees. That my friends has caused more cloud cover and a displacement of perma ice to float itself north and south from the poles.

A bit like the volatilty of the markets in fact. Global warming is upsetting things and scientists have not been here before either. Just use your nut and think about the whole picture.

It is the upset climate that is HYSTERICAL.

 

[Knobby22]

More analysis http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/aug/23/tom-harris-global-warming-deceptive-temperature-re/

Love this quote from the article.

"Global warming does not matter."

 

[Knobby22]

More analysis http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/aug/23/tom-harris-global-warming-deceptive-temperature-re/
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Summarising
- The error margin is greater than the temperature record amount that was broken so it should be ignored completely.
(yea, like the unemployment figures, its the trend goons).

- There aren't enough measurements and there is no way scientists can make sense of them. (that argument can last forever) Any scientist knows you don't have to measure every point on the earth to infer a trend.

-Global warming does not matter - (actual quote) The argument?? There is no super-sized being straddling the planet, feeling global averages in temperature. Good argument! (not)

-It's all a conspiracy. (Hey, like the moon landing)

Pretty much sums up all the arguments in my view.

I visited the website of the International Climate Science Coalition which this guy runs and it is full of pictures of windmills. I now know where our Science minister, Tony Abbot gets his information.

I don't think we should shut down our coal power stations, I think coal subsidies however should be stopped, sensible treaties signed to do something about global warming and market forces be unleashed so sensible solutions occur. Look at Texas as the example. The nutty Greens are just as bad in the other direction (maybe worse) as this fellow and I suppose we just have to hope we go the happy medium.

I was at a economics/business conference yesterday and global warming was mentioned matter of factly (not like the Greens) a few times. No one said it wasn't true. People were just working out what they need to do to reduce risk. From what I could see, no one in upper levels of business has any doubt it is real. Even Rupert knows this (refer quote below).

 

[wayneL]

In the immortal words of 'HG Nelson and Rampaging Roy Salven', referencing Australia (strylya); 'If you carn't be smart , be punchy'{ circa 1994}
Little wonder your sexist refrains waynle, considering your arguments can be slapped out of the way with an empty cheap hand bag.

Yep you can add sexist to the rest of the ad hominem jibes fro leftists.

For the record, I don't think the word should be diminished through such trite overuse, it is too important a topic.
Certainly nothing has been slapped away in spite of torturing logic, but still think there is more to come in this.