Resisting Climate Hysteria

[white_goodman]

Miranda Devine on the CSIRO, where she once worked. All too true I'm afraid, and not only at CSIRO.

what is this anti-earth smear campaign!

 

[Logique]

On Cadel Evans and "Carbon Cate", from the "Great Satan" Bolt.

Blanchett's AGW stance hurt me deeply, as I thought her Galadriel, the Lady of Lothlorien, cinematically luminous.

http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/ -on 9 Dec

..But don’t pretend it took courage [Cadel Evans] to parrot what the government, the media class, the funding agencies and, for a long while, the public were all saying, too.

There’s nothing brave in the sound of baa.

 

[OzWaveGuy]

I had kinda thought the flapping alarmists here that are influenced by AGW corruption and the gravy train would have rushed to show the world the latest AR5 leaked draft from those gassy uncorruptible "scientists" or rather policy makers at the IPCC - although I thought the science was settled (although I haven't heard this phrase peddled in awhile)....maybe that "dangerous" 3% of CO2 from man isn't so deadly after-all...

Bolt's post has the highlights

Professor Roger Pielke Jr sums up via tweets

IPCC AR5 draft shows almost complete reversal from AR4 on trends in drought, hurricanes, floods and is now consistent with scientific literature

IPCC AR5 Draft: “we have high confidence that natural variability dominates any AGW influence in observed/historical TC records”

Draft IPCC Ch2 bottom line on extremes: “generally low confidence that there have been discernable changes over the observed record”
on lack of trends in extremes, exceptions are trends seen in temperature extremes and regional precipitation (but not floods)

On XTCs “unlike in AR4, it is assessed here..there is low confidence of regional changes in the intensity of extreme extratropical cyclones”

Bottom line IPCC trop cyclones same as SREX: “low confidence that any reported long term increases in tropical cyclone activity are robust”

More IPCC draft Ch2 on trop cyclones: “current datasets indicate no significant observed trends in global tropical cyclone frequency”

IPCC on trop cyclones “AR4 assessment needs to be somewhat revised with respect to the confidence levels associated with observed trends”

IPCC draft Ch2 on drought: “The current assessment does not support the AR4 conclusions regarding global increasing trends in droughts”

More IPCC Ch2: “low confidence regarding the sign of trend in the magnitude and/or frequency of floods on a global scale”

More IPCC draft report: Ch2: “there is currently no clear and widespread evidence for observed changes in flooding” except timing of snowmelt​

I'm sure Basilio and Knobby can find some scary wording from the policy paper to have us running scared from a life giving trace gas LOL.

 

[Knobby22]

I'm not sure that you can say scientists are corrupt when you are quoting scientists.

Just keep believing the propaganda if it makes you feel good.

 

[OzWaveGuy]

I'm not sure that you can say scientists are corrupt when you are quoting scientists.

Just keep believing the propaganda if it makes you feel good.

Keep flapping, is that a piece of sky falling?

 

[Calliope]

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Keep flapping, is that a piece of sky falling?

Knobby and basilio are lucky they don't live in China.

CHINESE police have detained more than 100 people, among them members of a fringe Christian group, for spreading rumours about the world's impending end, state media reports.

 

[DB008]

Canada Announces Exit From Kyoto Climate Treaty

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/13/science/earth/canada-leaving-kyoto-protocol-on-climate-change.html?_r=0

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/cdb66522-2519-11e1-8bf9-00144feabdc0.html#axzz2FRi4tLSz

http://ens-newswire.com/2012/12/17/canada-leaves-kyoto-protocol-lets-china-buy-into-oil-sands/

 

[Logique]

Could hardly blame Canada, massive penalties were likely.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/13/sc...ange.html?_r=0

..Mr. Kent said Canada could meet its commitment only through extreme measures, like pulling all motor vehicles from its roads and shutting heat off to every building in the country. He said the Liberal Party had agreed to the treaty “without any regard as to how it would be fulfilled.”

He also said the failure to meet the targets would have cost Canada $14 billion in penalties..

 

[Sdajii]

I'll go back to the facts Wayne.

1) The temperature on earth is a lot warmer in the past 30 years than it has been for 10's of thousand of years.

Such a naive statement. That's just like beginning your observations at 10am and at 10.15am saying "Oh my god, it's warmer now than at any point in the last 15 minutes! Previous data suggests it hasn't been this warm for hours! By this time tomorrow the planet will be uninhabitable!"

The climate hasn't just been kicking around for tens of thousands of years, it has been cycling around for hundreds of millions of years, and during that time it has been warmer than at present many times before. Even in the last one million years (very recent by global standards) it has been warmer several times. Before the industrial revolution the trend was already up. Since the industrial revolution that trend has simply continued, and is still unremarkable in comparison to recent (last few hundred thousand years) times, and very unremarkable in terms of the last few hundred million years, the relevant timeframe to be considering.

2) There is scientific certainty that green house gases like Co2 and methane (and others) trap heat in the atmosphere. Historically this has given earth a habitable environment

Yep, so? We've known this since before I was born. Big deal. The current situation is unremarkable.

3) The amount of GG gases in the atmosphere has increased from 280 PPM to 390 PPM since the start of the industrial revolution in 1800's.

And? We're still within the limits of normal, natural fluctuations. Many times before humans even existed the normal, natural fluctuations of the planet included peaks above and dips below current levels.

What's a GG gas by the way? Or is it just like an ATM machine?

4) There is overwhelming consensus amongst climate scientists that this increase in GG gases plus the increases that will occur as we continue to burn fossil fuel will be the dominant factor in our climate causing temperatures to continue to rise. http://www.skepticalscience.com/print.php?r=96

Hmm... some truth and some dubious statement there. Yes, we're almost certainly going to keep producing more CO2, and yes, it'll probably raise temperatures a little. The most popularly publicised material may say this will be 'the dominant factor', but that's a bit dubious (the sun continuing to shine will probably be a more dominant factor, for example). Whether or not the increase in greenhouse gases will be the biggest change is difficult to predict, but saying "We're not really too sure" doesn't make news or get research funding like "Oh my god we're going to die" does, so the research and publicity is biased.

5) There is absolute certainty that as temperatures rise a number of ecosystems will release even more GG gases which will speed up the process. Melting of the tundra, warming of oceans which will release CO2 and about 12 others

This is a complete misrepresentation of facts based on the tactic of cherry picking. There is also absolute certainty that as temperatures rise, a number of ecosystems will absorb even more carbon dioxide which will slow down the process. Warmer water means more algae means more photosynthesis means more CO2 gets removed from the atmosphere, for example. There are countless stabilisation processes. If that wasn't the case we'd have naturally had a runaway greenhouse effect completely cooking the planet hundreds of millions of years ago.

6) We can see and measure the effect of relatively small increases in temperature across the world. Plants , animals and ecosystems are rapidly changing.

What's your point? You say that like it's bad or unusual. In very recent history, even in the last few tens of thousands of years (extremely brief and well within human history, but well before the industrial revolution or any relevant human impact) climate change has produced and destroyed countless plant and animal species. Climate change is a natural, normal aspect of the planet. It's what has been going on for hundreds of millions of years. It is *supposed* to happen and would be happening even if humans had never existed.

 

[white_goodman]

very well said Sdajii

 

[wayneL]

It's obvious that catastrophic AGW (but not benign natural and anthropogenic climate change) as a scientific topic and an intellectual concept is as dead as a dodo.

Only advocacy and politicking remains.

 

[explod]

Just listened to a report on Local ABC radio that in 2011 the ocean temperature rose 6 degrees off the West Australian coast from a heat wave. Killed off a lot of fish stock apparently.

It takes more than a heat wave to move temperatures up like that.

Are the powers that be keeping science releases in check to stop the hysteria perhaps.

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

We are getting good rain here in Townsville today, as we often do at this time of year.

All this talk about weather,really, is "Climate Hysteria"

Temperatures are around average since records began.

gg

 

[macca]

Just listened to a report on Local ABC radio that in 2011 the ocean temperature rose 6 degrees off the West Australian coast from a heat wave. Killed off a lot of fish stock apparently.

It takes more than a heat wave to move temperatures up like that.

Are the powers that be keeping science releases in check to stop the hysteria perhaps.

A pity we can't send some of the warmth to Russia, I am sure they would appreciate it

<<Russia is enduring its harshest winter in over 70 years, with temperatures plunging as low as -50 degrees Celsius. Dozens of people have already died, and almost 150 have been hospitalized.>>

http://rt.com/news/russia-freeze-cold-temperature-379/

 

[sails]

Just listened to a report on Local ABC radio that in 2011 the ocean temperature rose 6 degrees off the West Australian coast from a heat wave. Killed off a lot of fish stock apparently.

It takes more than a heat wave to move temperatures up like that.

Are the powers that be keeping science releases in check to stop the hysteria perhaps.

Explod, you should know that heat waves of varying degrees are normal at this time of year...

And Russia is experiencing the coldest weather in 70 years... But then warmists only want to discuss heat waves in summer and seem to conveniently ignore any extreme cold weather...

We have always had weather extremes!

 

[OzWaveGuy]

Just listened to a report on Local ABC radio that in 2011 the ocean temperature rose 6 degrees off the West Australian coast from a heat wave. Killed off a lot of fish stock apparently.

It takes more than a heat wave to move temperatures up like that.

Are the powers that be keeping science releases in check to stop the hysteria perhaps.

Hmmm, that's nice, a pocket of deadly co2 gas maybe. Perhaps you could use your investigative skills and report back on what's caused it - or is that asking too much? Maybe you could let the forum know if it's man's 3% of co2 or nature's 97% with the hard evidence you find.

lol, Don't hold back - I'm sure the truth is there or a piece of fallen sky

 

[Logique]

Would love to know more about this.

Inquiry call on CSIRO 'bullying'
The Sydney Morning Herald
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/national/inquiry-call-on-csiro-bullying-20121226-2bwdi.html#ixzz2GCAD1Q4j

AN INQUIRY should be held into Commonwealth science agency CSIRO and the treatment of its 6600-strong workforce amid claims ''of criminal conduct and commercial fraud'', the federal opposition says...
...''There may have been tens of claims of workplace bullying, intimidation and/or harassment, and other related forms of misconduct that have not been fully or adequately investigated, and where a strong possibility exists that, at the very least, due process has been breached.''....
...Chief executive Megan Clark has assured staff the CSIRO is ''on track'' to comply with the improvement notice.
The CSIRO staff association, a division of public sector union CPSU, has called for a ''zero-tolerance'' approach by senior management to problems with bullying and harassment.
But Mrs Mirabella said in her letter she was not satisfied with the response and highlighted the existence of a group of aggrieved former CSIRO public servants who were campaigning for change in the organisation..

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/national/inquiry-call-on-csiro-bullying-20121226-2bwdi.html#ixzz2GCAWHyXC

 

[explod]

Would love to know more about this.

Inquiry call on CSIRO 'bullying'
The Sydney Morning Herald
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/national/inquiry-call-on-csiro-bullying-20121226-2bwdi.html#ixzz2GCAD1Q4j

The bullies at CSRIO are probably trying to stifle those knowing the truth as to how bad things are really starting to get with the man made co2 emissions

 

[wayneL]

The bullies at CSRIO are probably trying to stifle those knowing the truth as to how bad things are really starting to get with the man made co2 emissions

Like US Secretary of State nominee and Klimate Klaxon *John Kerry?





* Who owns five luxury homes, a 76-foot yacht, an SUV, and a private jet.

 

[Logique]

http://victimsofcsiro.com/2012/12/17/article-posted-in-nature-magazine/
An article posted 17 December 2012

Researcher quits over science agency interference
Australian research funding body under fire for ordering major changes to a peer-reviewed paper.
By Stephen Pincock: http://victimsofcsiro.com/2012/12/17/article-posted-in-nature-magazine/

...Australia’s national science agency has been accused of trying to substantially alter a peer-reviewed paper that was critical of carbon-trading schemes, leading a prominent researcher to quit the agency this week...[Paper author] Spash resigned on 2 December, just days after those changes were outlined...
...In a letter sent to Australia’s science minister Kim Carr this week, he writes: “When Dr Spash sent us a copy of the suggested changes to the paper, it became clear that the CSIRO is asking not for minor but for major changes in the central arguments of the paper. This is clearly unacceptable to the author. I should add that is also unacceptable to me as the editor of the special issue. It involves interference in our own peer-reviewing procedures that would be incompatible with the academic integrity of the journal.”...
...According to O’Neill, the original paper argued that emissions-trading schemes will not solve, and potentially could exacerbate, the problem of human-induced climate change. “The version as rewritten by the chief executive of the CSIRO and her staff wants him to argue for a weaker position, that any problems with emissions trading are a matter of design,” he writes. “If the chief executive of the CSIRO wants to argue for a different position to that of Dr Clive Spash she can do so by publicly replying to the paper and presenting arguments for the contrary position.”...
...“What is clearly improper is for her to use her position to insist on changes to the paper which alter its conclusions prior to publication.”...
...Spash says that the affair reflects wider problems within the agency. “CSIRO cannot continue to operate as an organization which favours some and not others due to their policy opinions...