Resisting Climate Hysteria

[wayneL]

Another fracking lunatic to join the Nutters Club along with Hansen, Schmit, Mann, Romm, et al:

Professor Richard Parncutt - “I have always been opposed to the death penalty in all cases…”

“Even mass murderers [like Breivik] should not be executed, in my opinion.”

“GW deniers fall into a completely different category from Behring Breivik. They are already causing the deaths of hundreds of millions of future people. We could be speaking of billions, but I am making a conservative estimate.”

Consequences

If a jury of suitably qualified scientists estimated that a given GW denier had already, with high probability (say 95%), caused the deaths of over one million future people, then s/he would be sentenced to death. The sentence would then be commuted to life imprisonment if the accused admitted their mistake, demonstrated genuine regret, AND participated significantly and positively over a long period in programs to reduce the effects of GW (from jail) – using much the same means that were previously used to spread the message of denial. At the end of that process, some GW deniers would never admit their mistake and as a result they would be executed. Perhaps that would be the only way to stop the rest of them. The death penalty would have been justified in terms of the enormous numbers of saved future lives."

More - http://joannenova.com.au/2012/12/de...warming-deniers-should-be-sentenced-to-death/

 

[burglar]

... They are already causing the deaths of hundreds of millions of future people. ...

Where are these "future people"?

 

[sails]

The bullies at CSRIO are probably trying to stifle those knowing the truth as to how bad things are really starting to get with the man made co2 emissions

Looks like you are WAY off the mark there, Explod...

This excerpt from the article posted by Logique (my bolds to make it easier to read...lol):

Australia’s national science agency has been accused of trying to substantially alter a peer-reviewed paper that was critical of carbon-trading schemes

and

According to O’Neill, the original paper argued that emissions-trading schemes will not solve, and potentially could exacerbate, the problem of human-induced climate change. The version as rewritten by the chief executive of the CSIRO and her staff wants him to argue for a weaker position.

 

[cynic]

Doubtful as the original premise is, even in the unlikely event it could be proven, one could just as easily argue that the GW denier is doing a service to the planet because a percentage of those future people would themselves be GW deniers!

 

[wayneL]

Where are these "future people"?

If you go to the link, this guys thinking is riddled with faults of logic, just like the other nutters.

 

[explod]

Looks like you are WAY off the mark there, Explod...

This excerpt from the article posted by Logique (my bolds to make it easier to read...lol):



and

Argue for a weaker position on the carbon scheme or on the climate outlook, that second para you put up could be taken two ways, or of course, and I suppose, any way in which any one wants for his or her own argument or lack of thereof, so to speak, etc., and a eta cetera.

Thanks for the , one for you too

 

[noco]

GLOBAL WARMING AT WORK OR IS IT CLIMATE CHANGE?

Northern China experiences record low temperatures.

Where are the Global Warming Alarmist. Their slence is deafening.



http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...ows-of-minus-40c/story-e6freoo6-1226548495688

 

[Some Dude]

GLOBAL WARMING AT WORK OR IS IT CLIMATE CHANGE?

Northern China experiences record low temperatures.

Where are the Global Warming Alarmist. Their slence is deafening.



http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...ows-of-minus-40c/story-e6freoo6-1226548495688

I did a quick check and found a lot of information going back a number of years about about how local record lows fit into the larger global warming concept. Do you need some help finding some information?

 

[explod]

I did a quick check and found a lot of information going back a number of years about about how local record lows fit into the larger global warming concept. Do you need some help finding some information?

I have tried to point it all out in the past but they do not listen to the other side of the coin on this site.

Increased heat = more cloud cover = colder spots in some areas where it was not so cold in the past etc.

Can pick and choose any particular targets to feel good from the armchair.

Obviously not good for the respective investments perhaps; and, it is the money Ralf

Could not really be bothered with this thread anymore.

 

[Smurf1976]

All this stuff about local weather events is very much a "they started it first" type of debate.

All those "dams will never fill again" type predictions did a lot to discredit the public perception of the overall issue and unfortunately it's been reduced to a he said / she said type of argument.

From a purely scientific perspective, I'm no scientist but I can follow the logic that increasing average temperatures may well lead to record lows being recorded in some areas. That doesn't make such events "proof" of climate change, but I can certainly follow the logic.

 

[Knobby22]

Wasn't there a new record temperature for Hobart recently Smurf? Or do I have it wrong?

 

[Smurf1976]

41.8 Friday last week which is an all time record (previous record was 40.8). Records have been kept in Hobart since the 1800's.

It was continuously above 40 for several hours, it wasn't just a quick spike, and would probably have been even hotter if it wasn't for the smoke from the fires blocking the sun by mid-afternoon.

 

[white_goodman]

41.8 Friday last week which is an all time record (previous record was 40.8). Records have been kept in Hobart since the 1800's.

It was continuously above 40 for several hours, it wasn't just a quick spike, and would probably have been even hotter if it wasn't for the smoke from the fires blocking the sun by mid-afternoon.

 

[medicowallet]

41.8 Friday last week which is an all time record (previous record was 40.8). Records have been kept in Hobart since the 1800's.

It was continuously above 40 for several hours, it wasn't just a quick spike, and would probably have been even hotter if it wasn't for the smoke from the fires blocking the sun by mid-afternoon.

Before that it was probably higher, with a lower CO2 conc and lower with a higher CO2 conc... who knows?

41.8 will be hard to break, I wonder how many hundreds of years will be required for this? I would assume if people who believe that CO2 is driving dangerous global warming, it should be very soon indeed as CO2 levels rise each year, and will continue to do so for many hundreds of years.

MW

 

[Some Dude]

All this stuff about local weather events is very much a "they started it first" type of debate.

All those "dams will never fill again" type predictions did a lot to discredit the public perception of the overall issue and unfortunately it's been reduced to a he said / she said type of argument.

From a purely scientific perspective, I'm no scientist but I can follow the logic that increasing average temperatures may well lead to record lows being recorded in some areas. That doesn't make such events "proof" of climate change, but I can certainly follow the logic.

Likewise, I'm not a climate scientist either but my post was providing some assistence with the notion of silence, or more accurately that record lows are not already factored into the metrics for modelling.

 

[IFocus]

Wasn't there a new record temperature for Hobart recently Smurf? Or do I have it wrong?

Meanwhile

Perth in 2012: One of the hottest years on record

http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/current/annual/wa/perth.shtml

 

[sails]

Meanwhile

Perth in 2012: One of the hottest years on record

http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/current/annual/wa/perth.shtml

And meanwhile in China: Low temps break 28-year record, more cold to come

What's your point, IF???

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

Let's hold off this thread for the moment.

People are losing lives.

I'm willing like most to re-assess my views in the light of these dreadful events.

I feel indecent even posting on it, for purely emotional reasons, due purely to the suffering, whether I am right or wrong in my views on weather.

gg

 

[explod]

Let's hold off this thread for the moment.

People are losing lives.

I feel indecent even posting on it, for purely emotional reasons,

gg

I will not say a thing now. Except we are in tough times in my view.

waneL will eventually lose this one.

Brother and I increasing the home vegie patch on his 4 acres, lucky to have good bore water too.

On the alternative power, currently working on storage. Rebuilding thrown out batteries the latest idea.

 

[sails]

I will not say a thing now. Except we are in tough times in my view.

waneL will eventually lose this one.

Brother and I increasing the home vegie patch on his 4 acres, lucky to have good bore water too.

On the alternative power, currently working on storage. Rebuilding thrown out batteries the latest idea.

Explod, so you don't have much confidence in carbon tax to adequately alleviate your concerns?

I thought the carbon tax was supposed to fix everything for AGWers and the tax was supposedly meant to save us from the sort of catastrophes you are trying to avoid?

I'm puzzled...