Resisting Climate Hysteria

[tothemax6]

Why I ask?

"Because we can afford it and we are the lucky country. We are the biggest polluters and third world countries cant do anything about it so we need. Consumers will think twice about buying something if it cost more."

I am still WTF on this.

Well as I have found, given that these people (leftists) spend all year practicing their insane and moronic propaganda, the rest of us have a moral responsibility to practice rebuttal.

Oh, and just tell your wife "all that stuff you buy, would you prefer it if it cost twice as much or half as much?". Maybe tell her how much CO2 Australia actual contributes as a percentage, and that reducing this tiny percentage by a tiny percentage is a pointless action. This should bring the argument down to 'its the moral thing to do', in which case you would conclude with 'We could get rid of electricity altogether, and live in a cold, dark, and hungry world. After all, who want's to be comfortable and happy when we can satisfy the moral dictates of zealous strangers and gain nothing for it?".

Its called 'bringing a head in the clouds back down to earth'.

 

[sails]

Was going to post up a new topic called:

"Are people brainwashed or just stupid?"

So my wife was on a conference the other day (she is a teacher) and the whole day was spent on brainwashing the room about climate change and the carbon tax (I mean WTF?) When she got home I was told she would support the Carbon Tax now, even though she doesnt like Gillard....

Matty, show her the link below where Australia emits around 1.35% of global co2 and where China and the US between them emit around 40% of global co2. And yet I understand China is not slowing down on coal fired power and the US have backed right away from carbon tax or ets.

Ask her how much a 10% decrease in Australia's emissions would actually reduce global emissions? She should be good a maths...

The marketers of carbon tax like to use per capita figures and, because Australia has a lot on unhabitable land, our per capita is quite high. It is much higher than China and yet we produce a fraction of global co2 compared to China. So per capita is useful for carbon tax marketers but not useful for AGW people want to actually reduce global emissions.

Here is the Wiki link: List of countries by carbon dioxide emissions

The snapshot below was taken when Wikipedia was showing 2011 figures, however, it no longer seems available and the link above shows Australia at 1.28% as at 2007:

 

[trainspotter]

Was going to post up a new topic called:

"Are people brainwashed or just stupid?"

So my wife was on a conference the other day (she is a teacher)

You have answered your own question (she is a teacher) My eyes glazed over when I read this part of the post.

My wife is a teacher also. Sooooooooooo this means that if they attend lectures and they have all sorts of powerpoint presentations and pie charts and sliding graphs and glossy brochures with percentile reckoning delivered by a man with glasses in a lab coat with a laser pointer it is GOSPEL !!!! End of discussion.

It takes me weeks of deprogramming after my wife attends such same like gab fests.

Turn off the heater, turn off the electric blanket, make her walk to work or take the bus with snotty nose kids, don't cook dinner using either gas or electricity, do not let her use the iron nor the clothes dryer, do not pass go and collect $200 and go directly to jail. ....... They soon snap out of it. Reverse psychology is best when it is served up cold.

 

[Julia]

Was going to post up a new topic called:

"Are people brainwashed or just stupid?"

So my wife was on a conference the other day (she is a teacher) and the whole day was spent on brainwashing the room about climate change and the carbon tax (I mean WTF?) When she got home I was told she would support the Carbon Tax now, even though she doesnt like Gillard.

Why I ask?

"Because we can afford it and we are the lucky country. We are the biggest polluters and third world countries cant do anything about it so we need. Consumers will think twice about buying something if it cost more."

I am still WTF on this.

Well as I have found, given that these people (leftists) spend all year practicing their insane and moronic propaganda, the rest of us have a moral responsibility to practice rebuttal.

Oh, and just tell your wife "all that stuff you buy, would you prefer it if it cost twice as much or half as much?". Maybe tell her how much CO2 Australia actual contributes as a percentage, and that reducing this tiny percentage by a tiny percentage is a pointless action. This should bring the argument down to 'its the moral thing to do', in which case you would conclude with 'We could get rid of electricity altogether, and live in a cold, dark, and hungry world. After all, who want's to be comfortable and happy when we can satisfy the moral dictates of zealous strangers and gain nothing for it?".

Its called 'bringing a head in the clouds back down to earth'.

So, Matty, what was your response to her conversion to this new religion?
Did you counter with e.g. what tothemax and TS have suggested?
Hope you're not aiming to preserve marital harmony at the expense of logic!

Seriously, though, that's really worrying. Presumably your wife has a reasonable level of intelligence, so what's the hope for the great unwashed when they're exposed to similar drivel!

 

[Logique]

We can afford it? In which universe? Funny that the moral argument never extends to those who can no longer afford the mortgage or electricity, or to drive to work, numbers that will only increase.

Secondly, it is both sinister and offensive that teachers are brainwashing our kids in the schools (I know that Matty's and TS's wives aren't doing this - doing a great job for the country boys).

 

[sails]

So, Matty, what was your response to her conversion to this new religion?
Did you counter with e.g. what tothemax and TS have suggested?
Hope you're not aiming to preserve marital harmony at the expense of logic!

Seriously, though, that's really worrying. Presumably your wife has a reasonable level of intelligence, so what's the hope for the great unwashed when they're exposed to similar drivel!

And also, being a teacher, I suppose this pro carbon tax brain washing day was all paid for courtesy of the tax payer? If so, that is very wrong to fund a day like that that is not for education but for political gain, imo.

And then I suppose our kids are now going to be brainwashed by these "converted" teachers who will then go home and tell their parents about the alarmist "facts". No wonder Gillard loves "education". Maybe it's time we started objecting to the pricipals - unless they have also been duped.

Julia, hopefully the great unwashed will not be subjected to day long brain washing sessions probably given by someone in the education department whom these teachers would otherwise feel respect.

 

[matty77]

I have done my best to explain it in every way I can - thanks for all the info everyone.

Sometimes though logic just doesnt get through, talking to a teacher is like talking to a uni student sometimes...

I think she has the ****s talking politics with me anymore once her ranga friend all went a bit pear shaped (I told ya so!). "oh but she is a female, so ill vote for her"

And yes my wife is quiet intelligent so I shake my head.

It does prove though that there is definatly a fair bit of mis-truth and brain washing happening and people are falling for it!

edit: just so you guys know, it was only a 1 day conference, and not all day was spent on carbon tax, maybe hour or so with some pretty graphs and photos of poor kids in africa (im not kidding) they did the 3rd world story, and how we are better off than them so can afford to change etc.. oh gosh.

 

[sails]

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edit: just so you guys know, it was only a 1 day conference, and not all day was spent on carbon tax, maybe hour or so with some pretty graphs and photos of poor kids in africa (im not kidding) they did the 3rd world story, and how we are better off than them so can afford to change etc.. oh gosh.

Thanks for the feedback, Matty. Still, if the conference was funded by tax payers, it shouldn't be used for any sort of political gain.

These deceits will now most likely be taught to school kids. Deceptions such as Australia is one of the world's biggest co2 emitters when in reality we are actually very tiny in the global scene.

And I thought it was global co2 emissions that the AGW people want reduced...

 

[moXJO]

"oh but she is a female, so ill vote for her"

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Ewww a labor voter

You know sometimes divorce is your only option

 

[matty77]

Its been a difficult few years. lol

but I will turn her eventually.

 

[wayneL]

Its been a difficult few years. lol

but I will turn her eventually.

My missus is much further to the right than me. It's so cool, she is vego, loves furry critters etc, but she would happily rip out Ms Dullard's liver and eat it for lunch.

 

[trainspotter]

My missus is much further to the right than me. It's so cool, she is vego, loves furry critters etc, but she would happily rip out Ms Dullard's liver and eat it for lunch.

Remind me to send your missus a sharp knife and a bunch of flowers.

 

[noco]

My missus is much further to the right than me. It's so cool, she is vego, loves furry critters etc, but she would happily rip out Ms Dullard's liver and eat it for lunch.

Don't forget the bacon from the Brown pig to go with the liver.

 

[trainspotter]

Sums it up really IMO

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

Sums it up really IMO

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[sails]

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Absolutely agree - good find TS...

And quite chilly here in SE Qld - thought the winters should be getting milder if the globe is slowly cooking...

 

[Julia]

Absolutely agree - good find TS...

And quite chilly here in SE Qld - thought the winters should be getting milder if the globe is slowly cooking...

Ah, Sails, silly you. The chilly nights here are weather and apparently are no reflection of climate.
OK now?

 

[sails]

Ah, Sails, silly you. The chilly nights here are weather and apparently are no reflection of climate.
OK now?

Of course, how silly...

 

[springhill]

Absolutely agree - good find TS...

And quite chilly here in SE Qld - thought the winters should be getting milder if the globe is slowly cooking...

Yep morning temps have been as low as 0 degrees here in sunny Perth, thank God for global warming, if it wasn't for all that nasty carbon it'd be -3 instead and i'd have to go out and by a merkin to keep the old fella warm.

 

[explod]

Yep morning temps have been as low as 0 degrees here in sunny Perth, thank God for global warming, if it wasn't for all that nasty carbon it'd be -3 instead and i'd have to go out and by a merkin to keep the old fella warm.

Yep, quite amazing really, dont' seem to get those 3 and 4 below anymore, as a kid in the early 1950's used to love to walk on the frozen puddles to catch the school bus, or wait for the pipes to warm up to get the water to run. Oh well.

Not sure about the coming summer though, wonder if we will beat the 48 degree day we had here in Southern Vic two years back, will help reduce the population though I suppose.