Resisting Climate Hysteria

[Calliope]

All of which has slowly but surely pushed me to the other side of the whole debate. When someone continually tries to get me to accept something that is clearly incorrect, and can easily be demonstrated as such, then either they are themselves ignorant of the facts (possible in the case of individuals, but unlikely for the Australian Government) or they are pushing some other agenda. In this case, it looks very much like the latter.

Well the agenda is certainly not about reducing AGW. No one on either side of politics believes this tax could make an appreciable difference to CO2 levels or global awareness

The scary bit is is that the only way the tax could be passed is with the connivance of
Windsor, Wilkie and Oakeshott. They will vote it in not because the understand it, but because Gillard has bribed them with handouts for their electorates.

So here we have a tax, founded on a lie and passed on greedy opportunism.

 

[Smurf1976]

Once again we have the Tassie weather providing great irony amidst a major environmental announcement.

The coldest weather ever recorded in the state, and the highest electricity use ever recorded up to that time, came just hours before the Gordon below Franklin dam was canned by the High Court back in 1983. And yes, you guessed it, the record low temperatures were recorded equally at Tarraleah, Shannon and Butlers Gorge - all of which are historically Hydro towns and two of which have operating power stations.

And now we've almost done it again. On the morning of the great carbon tax announcement, it's snowing down to 200m and this will most likely be the coldest day of the year (literally) or at least very close to it.

Seems to be a pattern here. Whenever we have a Labor government trying to stop the generation of electricity, it gets damn freezing in Tassie. No doubt it's purely coincidence, but this is the second time it's happened now...

 

[sails]

Same here in Qld. Not often one sees so many women wearing scarves for warmth as they do in the southern states.

Full article from SMH: No respite in sight for south-east icy snap

A severe weather warning has been issued for parts of NSW, with damaging winds and blizzard conditions expected in some regions.

Icy conditions are expected in south-eastern areas of the state tomorrow, the Bureau of Meteorology said on its website.

 

[Julia]

Once again we have the Tassie weather providing great irony amidst a major environmental announcement.

The coldest weather ever recorded in the state, and the highest electricity use ever recorded up to that time, came just hours before the Gordon below Franklin dam was canned by the High Court back in 1983. And yes, you guessed it, the record low temperatures were recorded equally at Tarraleah, Shannon and Butlers Gorge - all of which are historically Hydro towns and two of which have operating power stations.

And now we've almost done it again. On the morning of the great carbon tax announcement, it's snowing down to 200m and this will most likely be the coldest day of the year (literally) or at least very close to it.

Seems to be a pattern here. Whenever we have a Labor government trying to stop the generation of electricity, it gets damn freezing in Tassie. No doubt it's purely coincidence, but this is the second time it's happened now...

As Sails has said, it's really cold here in Qld. 2 degrees at 6am!

 

[Ruby]

I won't feel that I'm a real woman until I join: 1million women: http://www.1millionwomen.com.au/The-Campaign.cfm?ruuid=11612186-04EB-CAE0-14594B8B17A80A81

"1 Million Women - A campaign of daughters, mothers, sisters and grandmothers - Committed to protecting our climate, our communities and our future, leading change for the better".

The 1 Million Women website will guide me through ways to cut my 1 tonne (of CO2, within a year of joining), and will track my progress. I don't have to be an expert on climate change, just join up and they'll guide me every step of the way.

1 Million Women - a million tonnes of CO2. It's a huge challenge.

With my help they will make it happen.

I notice that Anna Bligh is on the list. Does that mean she might stop using the government jet to fly to State of Origin matches? And will all the other pollies on the list start car pooling when going to work in Canberra?

 

[sails]

I notice that Anna Bligh is on the list. Does that mean she might stop using the government jet to fly to State of Origin matches? And will all the other pollies on the list start car pooling when going to work in Canberra?

Government is exempt from carbon tax despite being one of the nation's highest co2 emitters. So I can't see any slow down on anything you mention above. And it makes a mockery of the whole thing, imo. I have often commented on the hypocrisy of Gillard and Rudd flitting around the globe in jets and the co2 emissions don't seem to be a bother at all. Same with Al Gore. It's all about the money...

Article yesterday by Tim Wilson: Government’ s carbon skeleton

"IF there are any undisclosed details left for tomorrow’s carbon tax announcement, taxpayers can be sure Australia’s dirtiest secret, that the government is one of Australia’s largest, growing greenhouse gas emitters, won’t be included."

 

[Wysiwyg]

Government is exempt from carbon tax despite being one of the nation's highest co2 emitters. So I can't see any slow down on anything you mention above. And it makes a mockery of the whole thing, imo. I have often commented on the hypocrisy of Gillard and Rudd flitting around the globe in jets and the co2 emissions don't seem to be a bother at all. Same with Al Gore. It's all about the money...

Yes and plenty of jobs created in the Ministry of Carbon Dioxide to shuffle paper to their uhhh colleagues in other departments so they can inform peasants what carbon dioxide levels are. It is a monumental farce created by a > I'm a teapot, I'm a teapot < group of save-the-whales types.

 

[bellenuit]

You Call This ‘Consensus’ on Climate Change?

http://blog.heartland.org/2011/07/you-call-this-consensus-on-climate-change/

 

[Calliope]

Gillard and her gang of seven who were congratulating themselves and smugly telling us that they are the leaders in saving the planet, have pulled off something so incredibly stupid that from now on it is all downhill for them. They have fooled nobody but the warmists and they are a small minority... even smaller after today.

As Terry McCrann said, their carbon tax package is "incomprehensibly dumb."

 

[trainspotter]

Well well well ...... who would have thunk it? Trees absorb CO2 and produce oxygen.

They found that 231,000 tonnes of carbon were locked up this way, 10 times more than expected. It is roughly equal to the average annual emissions of more than 150,000 saloon, also called sedan, cars.

"Currently, once land in the UK is considered to be urban, its biological carbon density is assumed to be zero," said researcher Zoe Davies of the University of Kent, southeast England.

"Our study illustrates this is not the case and that there is a substantial pool of carbon locked away in the vegetation within a city."

Urban "sinks" are not by themselves a solution to the billions of tonnes of carbon emitted globally but can help mitigate their impact, especially if gardeners grow trees, which absorb far more CO2 than grass and shrubs, she said.

"If more trees are planted in urban areas for their carbon storage value, they must be the right kind of tree planted in the right place so that they have a long, productive lifespan, and when trees die they should be replaced,"

Read more: http://www.news.com.au/breaking-new...dy/story-e6frfku0-1226092923542#ixzz0tSATDKMm

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhh the irony of it all.

 

[matty77]

Gillard and her gang of seven who were congratulating themselves and smugly telling us that they are the leaders in saving the planet, have pulled off something so incredibly stupid that from now on it is all downhill for them. They have fooled nobody but the warmists and they are a small minority... even smaller after today.

As Terry McCrann said, their carbon tax package is "incomprehensibly dumb."

From what I am seeing there is actually plenty of support out there for this tax from the working class, hey I dont get it but its out there. I would say its 60/40 at the moment, against the tax.

My wife wont talk to me about the carbon tax anymore, everytime Red Hair Hitler gets on the TV and calls us "friends" I keep pointing it out... hahaha lol

 

[sails]

From what I am seeing there is actually plenty of support out there for this tax from the working class, hey I dont get it but its out there. I would say its 60/40 at the moment, against the tax.

My wife wont talk to me about the carbon tax anymore, everytime Red Hair Hitler gets on the TV and calls us "friends" I keep pointing it out... hahaha lol

40% is probably about right. Labor's primary vote is around 27% and greens around 11% - so that's pretty close to your figures. Still not enough for labor to win an election.

Good luck with the missus. I think she is part of the brainwashed crowd and sad that possibly many of those teaching our primary school kids are also brainwashed and teach it to the kids as FACT - when it is still a controversial theory. I believe it is part of the current cirruculum and Garrett refuses to remove it.

Anything that requires this sort of underhand brainwashing of primary school kids is very suspect, imo. If it had any merit on it's own, there would be no need for brainwashing controversial theories as fact to impressionable school kids.

(There are articles out there that support the above and they have been posted before.)

 

[sails]

Matty77 - and this galaxy poll taken on Monday night after Gillard's dubious announcement on Sunday pretty much says the same thing:

"AUSTRALIANS have given the carbon tax the thumbs down, with 63 per cent calling for Julia Gillard to bring on an early election.

The exclusive Galaxy Poll for the Herald Sun - the first major survey since the release of the carbon tax package on Sunday - also found 60 per cent of voters opposed the tax, 29 per cent were in favour and 11 per cent undecided."​

http://www.weeklytimesnow.com.au/article/2011/07/13/357351_latest-news.html

 

[Happy]

.... everytime Red Hair Hitler gets on the TV and calls us "friends" I keep pointing it out...

She was teary again and this time brought back her as "little girl", and after few blah, blahs later one could be excused for thinking, that she doing us a favour imposing Carbon Tax.

Even tried to twist her lie that this is not tax, but pollution payment so she never lied to anybody.
(Thank heavens there are tablets to keep blood pressure under control)

 

[matty77]

But again I state... I feel sentiment is changing and it wont be long before the carbon tax is a thing of the past and just another tax us australians have to pay for. With no election in site anytime soon what is the Australian public to do?

 

[sails]

But again I state... I feel sentiment is changing and it wont be long before the carbon tax is a thing of the past and just another tax us australians have to pay for. With no election in site anytime soon what is the Australian public to do?

Matty, I think there will be continuing anger over this. Higher electricity bills are not going to help Madame and we know they are all going up again from July. To threaten another tax on top of this is something people won't forget.

And world economies are not looking good, which is something Costello mentioned in the Bolt Report yesterday. It certainly is not a good time to be trying to bring in a whole new and additional tax even though there are promises of compensation, I doubt that treasury have thought of everything. The greens admitted that treasury didn't have enough time.

http://m.news.com.au/MostPopularNews/pg/0/fi774123.htm

 

[matty77]

Polls will be interesting in a few weeks after the $12mil ad campaign coming online today...

 

[Julia]

Polls will be interesting in a few weeks after the $12mil ad campaign coming online today...

The sample couple of advts I've seen are just airy fairy stuff, no facts, which imo will irritate people further.

Prior to the 'package' being released, the government were saying that people would be reassured once they had the detail and specifically knew about the compensation.

Well, no, not according to today's poll.

So now Ms Gillard is saying that people won't actually feel comfortable with it until it's up and running.
Wow.

 

[Calliope]

The sample couple of advts I've seen are just airy fairy stuff, no facts, which imo will irritate people further.

The advertising campaign is predicated on the basis that we are stupid.

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

It's a beautiful winter morning here in Townsville, I'm just heading up to the Towers, and then on to Richmond.

It is all hysteria, religious mumbo jumbo, this climate belief.

These jokers are so busy looking at computer analysis, they fail to look out the window. That's where the weather is. It hasn't changed that I can see from years past.

And if the weather hasn't changed, it's unlikely the climate will, any more than it ever has.

gg