Resisting Climate Hysteria

[Ruby]

And on temperatures, variation is one thing but staying at or above the higher level as put forward by ghotib is the worry.

What makes you think our temperatures are at or staying above the higher level? Higher than what?

 

[ghotib]

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The truth is, at least some of these people reacting with threats of violence are probably only doing so because of the types of things said above.

Do you think a direct threat of violence against individuals is a reasonable reaction to predictions, or even calls, for legal action against groups?

You really do like straw men don't you Wayne.

 

[Ruby]

Do you think a direct threat of violence against individuals is a reasonable reaction to predictions, or even calls, for legal action against groups?

You really do like straw men don't you Wayne.

Ghotib, Wayne was just pointing out that there have been many nasty threats made against those who do not buy the climate change propaganda. Was that unreasonable? You don't hear about that on the news. I did not think Richard Glover's article at all comic, and yes, he is extreme.

 

[Julia]

I hear from people overseas that we are probably the most laughed at country with the current circus going on in Canberra.

And I absolutely can't understand NZ agreeing to an ETS when their contribution to total world co2 emissions are around 0.11%. They must be a bigger laughing stock than Australia.

The interview on 7.30 last night with NZ PM John Key was one of Chris Urhlman's weaker efforts. The point should have been made that NZ has always derived most of its electricity from hydro whereas Australia derives it from coal, so to compare the suggestion of 'switching to renewables' with the implication that this is similar for both countries is ludicrous.

And, given that both the Greens and Labor will not countenance nuclear power, would some of their supporters be kind enough to explain where baseload electricity is going to come from if the coal powered electricity companies become so unprofitable they simply close down. What then?

 

[overhang]

Ruby, go back and have a second read of the very good post a day or so back on this thread by ghotib.

The fluctuations are not normal at all.

Climate change does need attention, there are many countries, particularly in Europe getting in to it up to the elbows and I repeat, as a developed nation we can punch above our weight with developing nations. It is about commitment and mindset.

And also as I said if we stop fiddling around we can probably profit handsomely as a nation from it too. And maybe even your Great Granchildren will one day love you for it.

Why do we need action right now? The planet will still exist as we know it regardless of Australia adopting a carbon tax. This is too big of a reform without receiving a mandate from the general public. Please don't tell me we will fall behind the rest of the world as if we do then we simply purchase the technology and better yet learn from their mistakes. Considering coal is our largest export and with the predicted growth in LNG demand from Asia I have difficulty believing Australia would be better off if the rest of the world implemented a carbon tax. When we only contribute 1.35% of the worlds emissions then clearly this is something that can be held off until next term.

 

[noco]

The interview on 7.30 last night with NZ PM John Key was one of Chris Urhlman's weaker efforts. The point should have been made that NZ has always derived most of its electricity from hydro whereas Australia derives it from coal, so to compare the suggestion of 'switching to renewables' with the implication that this is similar for both countries is ludicrous.

And, given that both the Greens and Labor will not countenance nuclear power, would some of their supporters be kind enough to explain where baseload electricity is going to come from if the coal powered electricity companies become so unprofitable they simply close down. What then?

Yes Julia, I agree with you. This Green/Labor Government are all PIE IN THE SKY with this renewable energy crap just to make them look good in the eyes of the naive.

They have no idea what base load power is all about. Not one clue.

 

[sails]

...And, given that both the Greens and Labor will not countenance nuclear power, would some of their supporters be kind enough to explain where baseload electricity is going to come from if the coal powered electricity companies become so unprofitable they simply close down. What then?

Julia, this is a real concern, imo. We do not have reliable, affordable renewable energy readily available for the masses.

It seems very silly for labor to put our main source of power under pressure and make it unaffordable for people to use. Surely anyone with half a brain could work that one out.

But, no, Gillard drones on about this being the "right thing to do". About the only thing it's going to do is give Gillard and Swan more dollars to spend and do next to nothig to reduce co2 emissions (even IF co2 is really a problem).

 

[explod]

Well, well, an intellectual giant, no less. It must have been quite a comedown to be reincarnated as Mr Plod

I have never had concern for status or labels. And Mr Plod in the Noddy Books was a kind and reliable backstop for a feeling of security.

A bit of a small mind showing there olepal.

I suppose if the argumant is tough then shoot the opposition. Hey we are discussing that.

 

[bandicoot76]

It's also possible that it could be from the same side with the other side being blamed for it.

All is fair with love and politics, is it not ?

the term for this is "a false flag attack" ...and it is being used increasingly more often by extreme factions from all sides to try to sway public opinion.

 

[moXJO]

NZ is actually slowing down its carbon policy as they want to cash in on feeding the world.

 

[wayneL]

Do you think a direct threat of violence against individuals is a reasonable reaction to predictions, or even calls, for legal action against groups?

You really do like straw men don't you Wayne.

Straw man?

Most of us hide our cognitive biases under a layer of logic, you do no such thing.

What Ruby said.

 

[mexican]

Don't think for a moment that it's beyond the rent-a-crowd professional protestors of the left, they are practised in the art. That guy on Q&A last week ('..why is climate science being taught in schools, it's just a theory like gravity..') - he looked very sus, and I think he was a plant to make out that sceptics don't believe in gravity.

Death threats to scientists at ANU? Does anyone seriously believe this? Let's see some hard evidence. Sounds like just another trick, their side is losing the argument and they're growing desperate.

A bit sus you say Logique........your sneaky suspician serves you well.
http://ten.com.au/video-player.htm?movideo_p=44795&movideo_m=113466
Skip the Gillard part

 

[Ruby]

A bit sus you say Logique........your sneaky suspician serves you well.
http://ten.com.au/video-player.htm?movideo_p=44795&movideo_m=113466
Skip the Gillard part

You were right, Logique. They are stooping to very dirty tactics in their desperation.

 

[moXJO]

A bit sus you say Logique........your sneaky suspician serves you well.
http://ten.com.au/video-player.htm?movideo_p=44795&movideo_m=113466
Skip the Gillard part

Lol there seems to be a push on most boards in the last month. Getup not out to change the balance are they

 

[white_goodman]

A bit sus you say Logique........your sneaky suspician serves you well.
http://ten.com.au/video-player.htm?movideo_p=44795&movideo_m=113466
Skip the Gillard part

what a joke... why is it that the minority in this country with such an ill informed moronic view seem to have the largest pedestal upon which to project.

Thank god normal people or those slightly right have the Bolt report to give some semblance of balance to the large left leaning of media and academia

 

[explod]

what a joke... why is it that the minority in this country with such an ill informed moronic view seem to have the largest pedestal upon which to project.

Thank god normal people or those slightly right have the Bolt report to give some semblance of balance to the large left leaning of media and academia

"What a joke"... indeed. On this board alone the majority are climate change deniers. The media are in the same catigory.

Academia, what is your definition w.g.?

 

[white_goodman]

"What a joke"... indeed. On this board alone the majority are climate change deniers. The media are in the same catigory.

Academia, what is your definition w.g.?

intellectual class, people whose end product is ideas rather than products and services... the govt grant class

 

[wayneL]

On this board alone the majority are climate change deniers.

Really?

Perhaps you could list who you think are climate change deniers and let them confirm or deny that accusation.

 

[explod]

Really?

Perhaps you could list who you think are climate change deniers and let them confirm or deny that accusation.

On this page 17 posts, including yourself I would say 7 against, and the remaining five includes myself probably for the warming camp.

"No names no pack drill."

But thats just my rough opinion. DYOR

 

[wayneL]

On this page 17 posts, including yourself I would say 7 against, and the remaining five includes myself probably for the warming camp.

"No names no pack drill."

But thats just my rough opinion. DYOR

Well I'll let the others speak for themselves, but after everything I've said in this thread, I have serious concerns for both your cognitive abilities and your language comprehension.

Seriously, I am worried about you.