Resisting Climate Hysteria

[IFocus]

Talking about losing the plot makes me start to think climate change is real and man made 100%.

Scientists are receiving death threats over their stance on climate change and carbon tax policy

MEMBERS of the scientific community are receiving death threats as debate over Julia Gillard's carbon tax intensifies.

In the latest incident, Federation of Australian Science and Technological Societies executive director Anna-Maria Arabia received an email today saying she would be "strung-up by the neck" and killed for her promotion of mainstream climate science.

The threat was emailed to her this morning before a "Respect the Science" campaign at Parliament House in Canberra today.

It follows months of abusive phone calls and threats to several of Australia's top scientists at the Australian National University, forcing it to improve security and shift climate scientists to a more secure work location.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...arbon-tax-policy/story-fn59niix-1226078505195

 

[wayneL]

Talking about losing the plot makes me start to think climate change is real and man made 100%.





http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...arbon-tax-policy/story-fn59niix-1226078505195

IF, there are extremists on both sides. EG the idiotic Richard Glover suggesting in a newspaper that "deniers" (by his definition) should be forcibly tattooed... and he got to put it in print.

Equally, such extremism could make one think it's all BS.

Nutjobs have nothing to do with science.

 

[sails]

Talking about losing the plot makes me start to think climate change is real and man made 100%.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...arbon-tax-policy/story-fn59niix-1226078505195

I completely abhor anyone taking their frustrations out in this unthinkable way, but try not to tar everyone who is against the carbon tax with the same brush, IFocus... I am sure the police will do their job in tracking down the offender./s.

It's possible it's one angry person or a small group so no need to get your feathers ruffled...

 

[drsmith]

It's possible it's one angry person or a small group so no need to get your feathers ruffled...

It's also possible that it could be from the same side with the other side being blamed for it.

All is fair with love and politics, is it not ?

 

[sails]

It's also possible that it could be from the same side with the other side being blamed for it.

All is fair with love and politics, is it not ?

Yes, hadn't thought of that...

And quite possible given that people tend to side with the so called "victim". If so, that would be a low thing to do. However, we can only hope the police discover the real perpertrator regardless of which side is to blame.

In any case, it is usually a nut case that pulls stunts like this.

 

[Julia]

It's also possible that it could be from the same side with the other side being blamed for it.

All is fair with love and politics, is it not ?

Ah, such machiavellian thinking, drsmith. Perhaps you've missed your calling as a political strategist?

 

[explod]

Explod, if Australia shut down completely, the difference it would make to our climate is miniscule - that is well accepted. The change in our climate is within normal variation anyhow.

We can do all sorts of things to make the world a better place for everyone - no-one denies that. Trying to resist normal fluctuations in climate is not one of them.

Ruby, go back and have a second read of the very good post a day or so back on this thread by ghotib.

The fluctuations are not normal at all.

Climate change does need attention, there are many countries, particularly in Europe getting in to it up to the elbows and I repeat, as a developed nation we can punch above our weight with developing nations. It is about commitment and mindset.

And also as I said if we stop fiddling around we can probably profit handsomely as a nation from it too. And maybe even your Great Granchildren will one day love you for it.

 

[trainspotter]

While your'e at it Ruby go and read post #2137. It is a CORKER !! I am still waiting for a response BTW

 

[explod]

Nope ....... that's not what I meant by it at all. I am suggesting in the scheme of things that Australia produces 1.3% of Global CO2 then we are the small fry of the world "polluting" economies.

I believe that as a country of a mere 22 million people we are putting the cart before the horse on this matter. I am not suggesting we wait for USA and China to clean up their act either.

So tell me why is it that all these people have placed solar generators on their roofs and not using the grid anymore PLUS the increase of wind turbine generators that suddenly we are using MORE electricity? (the most "polluting" sector) ALSO since the advent of 6 star enery efficient appliances as well as the EDUCATION of the populace to reduce their carbon footprint as well as a plethora of people who have gone "green" that we still need to puff up our chests and claim we are killing the planet? SURELY this would have had a decreasing effect on consumption??? HUH ????

Don't forget the Pink Batts and the energy efficient lightglobes we all have to have now. Building restrictions on new homes is now at 6 stars as well. Electric cars is another matter altogether. It all adds up !!!!

I am advocating that we continue down a path of a green change by increasing what I have listed above and not a TAX that will change the paradigm of the social system in this great country of ours.

Sorry for my neglect on your questions. But I do agree with most of your post but a carbon tax will point the finger at the big producers of co2 emissions. Of course their services will cost more but this type of change some other way will not come without that anyway. It will in my view help to lead the big boys of business with the real grunt to backup and be part of the innovation required.

And just like the nice pink batts I am sure there will be problems that will need to be modified and fine tuned but as with the general consensus now (poll last week) of the populace on the matter we have to give it a go in my view.

 

[ghotib]

IF, there are extremists on both sides. EG the idiotic Richard Glover suggesting in a newspaper that "deniers" (by his definition) should be forcibly tattooed... and he got to put it in print.

Equally, such extremism could make one think it's all BS.

Nutjobs have nothing to do with science.

Guess what: Richard Glover frequently uses comic exaggeration in his weekly column, as he did for the piece you refer to. You might not have seen his column the following week?

After 25 years writing this column, I've had my first experience of an internet hate campaign. So far, more than 2400 people, nearly all American, have emailed me. More emails come every time I hit the send/receive button. About 5 per cent contain threats of violence. Even stranger, quite a few threaten me with sexual violence. They say, in various forms, that they want to rape me.

The only good news: quite a few don't seem to know the precise location of Sydney. Or Sidney, as some call it. ''You are so out of touch with America, I cannot believe you are published by an American paper,'' writes one emailer, having read the story on The Sydney Morning Herald website. Quite a few tell me I should be nervous if I ever try to leave Britain.

Here's how it started. Last week, in this spot, I wrote a piece about climate change. It was critical of both the left and the right and contained some comic hyperbole about both: that environmental zealots wanted us all to live in caves and that climate-change deniers should tattoo their beliefs on their bodies so they couldn't later deny their role in preventing action on climate change.
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Then - sometime Sunday night - a link to the piece was put on a right-wing website in the US, offering me up as another communist trying to ruin the world through the ''hoax'' of climate change...

...Suddenly I was the toast of town: about 300,000 people read the piece on smh.com.au between Sunday night and Tuesday morning. I had more readers than anyone else in the Herald. Only problem was: many of them wanted to kill me.
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And, boy, were they upset. TTB, from Nevada, said he had ''a couple of 9mm hollowpoints with your name on them''. Jonathan, of Sag Harbor, NY, wanted to remove my testicles, while DB wanted to remove my penis. And M. Glasgow, in an email sunnily titled ''can't wait to meet you'', observed that: ''I will kill you so dead that your rotting body will do nothing but energise the worms and maggots that will do their part in saving the planet from morons like you.''
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Many use that phrase ''you f---ing commie bastard'', which seems charmingly retro. In others I'm a ''hardcore-Left ideologue and operative''. Stan, in Seattle, on the other hand, has me working for the British royal family: ''A ***** working for the Queen's yellow green paper money''.

And a huge proportion mention Al Gore, who they believe is paying me. So, boss, I need to tell you: they hate you even more than they hate me.

Apparently Gore has bought a beach property (in some emails he's bought two, in others four), thus proving Gore doesn't believe his own lies. Quite a few accuse me (and him) of working for what they call ''the Jews'', and mention several big companies as having financed the hoax.
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And maybe, in a world of international publishing, learn to be clearer. The thing about tattoos was not meant to be taken as a serious suggestion. For those who took it as such, my apologies.

You might not think Glover is funny - I don't particularly - but calling him an extremist on this issue is a joke.

 

[white_goodman]

"Would you bet your paycheck on a weather forecast for tomorrow? If not, then why should this country bet billions on global warming predictions that have even less foundation?" (Thomas Sowell)

 

[wayneL]

Guess what: Richard Glover frequently uses comic exaggeration in his weekly column, as he did for the piece you refer to. You might not have seen his column the following week?

You might not think Glover is funny - I don't particularly - but calling him an extremist on this issue is a joke.

You think the tattoo thing was comic exaggeration? Perhaps it was an exaggeration, perhaps not. Perhaps the death threats were an exaggeration, perhaps not. He's still alive, so I guess we must conclude they were.

It doesn't remove the fact that the sentiment is an extreme one and one of the latest in a long line of rabid alarmists calling for unpleasantries for those who challenge the biased science of alarmism.

There was the notorious case of the Talking Points Memo site with 'At what point do we jail or execute global warming deniers' -- 'Shouldn't we start punishing them now?'

James Hansen has called for trials of climate skeptics in 2008 for "high crimes against humanity.”

Environmentalist Robert F. Kennedy Jr. in 2007, declared “This is treason. And we need to start treating them as traitors”

In 2009, RFK, Jr. also called coal companies "criminal enterprises" and declared CEO's 'should be in jail... for all of eternity."

In June 2009, former Clinton Administration official Joe Romm defended a comment on his Climate Progress website warning skeptics would be strangled in their beds. "An entire generation will soon be ready to strangle you and your kind while you sleep in your beds," stated the remarks, which Romm defended by calling them "not a threat, but a prediction."

In 2006, the eco-magazine Grist called for Nuremberg-Style trials for skeptics.

In 2008, Canadian environmentalist David Suzuki called for government leaders skeptical of global warming to be thrown “into jail.”

In 2007, The Weather Channel's climate expert called for withholding certification of skeptical meteorologists.

...and so on.

Still think it's a joke Ghoti?

The truth is, at least some of these people reacting with threats of violence are probably only doing so because of the types of things said above.

 

[davede]

Must say that Monkton's accent just makes him sound that much more credible.

 

[moXJO]

Guess what: Richard Glover frequently uses comic exaggeration in his weekly column, as he did for the piece you refer to. You might not have seen his column the following week?

You might not think Glover is funny - I don't particularly - but calling him an extremist on this issue is a joke.

You haven't been to a pro carbon tax rally. In fact those on the left are much more aggressive and violent and self opinionated then must other groups I have seen. Not sure if they are rent a crowd or what but they do their best to intimidate the other side.

 

[Ruby]

The fluctuations are not normal at all.

The global temperature fluctuations over the last, say, 60 years, are well within the range of recorded fluctuations in previous centuries.

Climate change does need attention, there are many countries, particularly in Europe getting in to it up to the elbows.

There may be, but what is the result?

......as a developed nation we can punch above our weight with developing nations. It is about commitment and mindset.

No, we can't "punch above our weight" with developing nations. As I said before, Oz could shut down completely and the difference would be unnoticed. Furthemore, as much of our coal is going to China and India, and will continue to do so, we are contributing to the emissions of developing nations. Our government is very two-faced.

 

[explod]

No, we can't "punch above our weight" with developing nations. As I said before, Oz could shut down completely and the difference would be unnoticed. Furthemore, as much of our coal is going to China and India, and will continue to do so, we are contributing to the emissions of developing nations. Our government is very two-faced.

Intellectually. Having been part of a Research and Development team in a previous life I can assure you Australia is not only the most innovative country in the world but most places recognise it too. Due to our lack of investment in this area now we would be falling behind but we have that potential and should be using it.

At the physical level you are correct however the most important level as I indicated are attitude and minset.

And on temperatures, variation is one thing but staying at or above the higher level as put forward by ghotib is the worry. And to be concerned is not hysterical.

 

[Logique]

Ah, such machiavellian thinking, drsmith.

Don't think for a moment that it's beyond the rent-a-crowd professional protestors of the left, they are practised in the art. That guy on Q&A last week ('..why is climate science being taught in schools, it's just a theory like gravity..') - he looked very sus, and I think he was a plant to make out that sceptics don't believe in gravity.

Death threats to scientists at ANU? Does anyone seriously believe this? Let's see some hard evidence. Sounds like just another trick, their side is losing the argument and they're growing desperate.

 

[trainspotter]

Don't think for a moment that it's beyond the rent-a-crowd professional protestors of the left, they are practised in the art. That guy on Q&A last week ('..why is climate science being taught in schools, it's just a theory like gravity..') - he looked very sus, and I think he was a plant to make out that sceptics don't believe in gravity.

I just love these crackpot creationists who claim gravity is only a "theory". Get them to jump off a tall building and test the theory I reckon. If I drop something does it fall upwards?

F=Gm1m2/d2

F is the force of gravity, G is a constant (the Gravitational Constant) which can be measured, m1 and m2 are the masses of two objects and d is the distance between them.

 

[Calliope]

Intellectually. Having been part of a Research and Development team in a previous life I can assure you Australia is not only the most innovative country in the world but most places recognise it too.

Well, well, an intellectual giant, no less. It must have been quite a comedown to be reincarnated as Mr Plod

 

[sails]

Intellectually. Having been part of a Research and Development team in a previous life I can assure you Australia is not only the most innovative country in the world but most places recognise it too. ...

I hear from people overseas that we are probably the most laughed at country with the current circus going on in Canberra.

And I absolutely can't understand NZ agreeing to an ETS when their contribution to total world co2 emissions are around 0.11%. They must be a bigger laughing stock than Australia.

And the greek PM has openely admitted that carbon taxes are just another way to raise revenue...
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/j...-taxes-are-just-another-way-to-raise-revenue/