Resisting Climate Hysteria

[Dowdy]

I haven't been active in this thread but I'm active against the carbon tax.

I set up a campaign on Getup.org stating that I want a campaign AGAINST the carbon tax!

It's been going for only 2 weeks now and it's had a great response.

So i'm just writing to let the members of this forum know about it so we can get the word out and if we get enough support, Getup will support the campaign.

View the campaign here and sign up and support it

http://suggest.getup.org.au/forums/60819-getup-campaign-suggestions/suggestions/1880763-i-want-a-campaign-against-the-carbon-tax-?page=1&ref=title

 

[OzWaveGuy]

unfortunately it doesnt matter what puppet political party is in power at the time, the situation remains the same, they are all being told what to do, and cannot resist even if they wanted to because 'we' have signed away all our soveriegn decision-making rights over to global institutions like the UN, IMF, WB, WTO...etc

abbot is enjoying a free ride on public opinion (on the carbon tax issue) at the moment but i have no doubt that if he was PM he would cave in to the intense lobbying pressure and do the same thing julia gillard did... promise no carbon tax then introduce one anyway! it is the way of all the spineless jellyfish we have as politicians, from all sides, to lie, cheat and con us!

its time to realise our whole political system is a joke! the whole Left Vs Right, labor Vs liberal system is so fake its akin to a WWF wrestling match... it serves to keep the people divided and distracted so as to maintain a stagnant and easily manipulated political status quo...

This is precisely the current state of play and probably one of the best posts in this thread bandicoot.

 

[Julia]

And I have no doubt if Abbott tried anything so stupid, he would get the same cold shoulder from the electorate as Gillard is now experiencing...

And, what if the globe starts to cool? That will surely take away the excuse for such a nonsense tax in the first place.

Don't be silly, sails. They have that covered. It's why "Global Warming" has been replaced by "Climate Change". So no worries, it covers every conceivable event.

 

[sails]

Don't be silly, sails. They have that covered. It's why "Global Warming" has been replaced by "Climate Change". So no worries, it covers every conceivable event.

lol Julia... . However, their choice of "climate change" is rather ambiguous due to climate change being a perfectly natural event and not necessarily anything humans can do to change or control the climate.

 

[Ruby]

lol Julia... . However, their choice of "climate change" is a rather ambiguous due to climate change being a perfectly natural event and not necessarily anything humans can do to change or control the climate.

Exactly! And what do they think is the 'perfect' climate anyway? The one we should be aspiring to achieve?

 

[sails]

I haven't been active in this thread but I'm active against the carbon tax.

I set up a campaign on Getup.org stating that I want a campaign AGAINST the carbon tax!

It's been going for only 2 weeks now and it's had a great response.

So i'm just writing to let the members of this forum know about it so we can get the word out and if we get enough support, Getup will support the campaign.

View the campaign here and sign up and support it

http://suggest.getup.org.au/forums/60819-getup-campaign-suggestions/suggestions/1880763-i-want-a-campaign-against-the-carbon-tax-?page=1&ref=title

Dowdy, I thought GetUp are pro carbon tax and have been involved in "pro carbon tax" rallies on the same days that the "against carbon tax" rallies were held. Please correct me if I am mistaken.

I had a look at the page, but don't feel comfortable in giving my email address to them.

Surely it would be better to sign the petition with Menzies house (if it's still running) or at Barnaby Joyce's website: Stop! the Carbon Tax Petition

 

[Dowdy]

Dowdy, I thought GetUp are pro carbon tax and have been involved in "pro carbon tax" rallies on the same days that the "against carbon tax" rallies were held. Please correct me if I am mistaken.

I had a look at the page, but don't feel comfortable in giving my email address to them.

Surely it would be better to sign the petition with Menzies house (if it's still running) or at Barnaby Joyce's website: Stop! the Carbon Tax Petition

Getup is technically meant to be independent (but their organised and website leaders are more leaned towards the left).
The way getup works is that regular people come up with campaigns and if there are enough votes on it from the general public then getup will support it.
They supported the carbon tax with only 1000 votes. My aim will be to change getup's support for the tax. Once my campaign gets 2000 or more votes i'm sure getup will think twice about supporting the carbon tax and maybe they'll realise that Australia doesn't need another tax and will support my campaign

It's getting alot of support from people so i'm sure we can make that target

 

[IFocus]

Getup is technically meant to be independent (but their organised and website leaders are more leaned towards the left).

I honestly cannot think of a right wing agency that's works in or comes from the community

 

[sails]

Getup is technically meant to be independent (but their organised and website leaders are more leaned towards the left).
The way getup works is that regular people come up with campaigns and if there are enough votes on it from the general public then getup will support it.
They supported the carbon tax with only 1000 votes. My aim will be to change getup's support for the tax. Once my campaign gets 2000 or more votes i'm sure getup will think twice about supporting the carbon tax and maybe they'll realise that Australia doesn't need another tax and will support my campaign

It's getting alot of support from people so i'm sure we can make that target

Perhaps they supported carbon tax with only 1000 votes - but is that because it suited their own leanings?

I can see your point about getting getup to support your campaign, but I'm not so convinced they would be interested. Do you know where the funding comes from? That often says where loyalties lie.

 

[bandicoot76]

Perhaps they supported carbon tax with only 1000 votes - but is that because it suited their own leanings?

Do you know where the funding comes from? That often says where loyalties lie.

very perceptive post sails!.... and the funding answer is ....drumroll please...........the one and only Mr george Soros, manipulative scumbag extraordinaire!

 

[Calliope]

Is Another Little Ice Age coming?.

EARTH may be heading for a "Little Ice Age", according to scientists at two leading US research institutions.
Researchers from the US National Solar Observatory (NSO) and the Air Force Research Laboratory were considering today whether a decline in solar activity could lead to a period similar to the Maunder Minimum in the 17th century, when there were virtually no sunspots for 70 years.
During this period, known as the Little Ice Age, temperatures dropped and up to 28cm of ice formed in Europe.
New analysis of the Sun's interior, surface and corona showed that the next cycle of sunspot activity "will be greatly reduced or may not happen at all".
Dr Frank Hill, of the NSO's Solar Synoptic Network in Sunspot, New Mexico, said, "The fact that three completely different views of the Sun point in the same direction is a powerful indicator that the sunspot cycle may be going into hibernation"

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Read more: http://www.news.com.au/breaking-new...ge/story-e6frfku0-1226076791684#ixzz1PaMGqq5d

 

[explod]

Is Another Little Ice Age coming?.

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Read more: http://www.news.com.au/breaking-new...ge/story-e6frfku0-1226076791684#ixzz1PaMGqq5d

Within that article

However, Joanna Haigh, professor of atmospheric physics at Imperial College London, said that global warming could reverse a cooling effect.

None of this gets away from the fact that we have too many people on the planet, we are burning too much coal and the Chindia group are all wanting to buy a motor car too.

Are these possibilities hysteria

 

[wayneL]

Within that article



None of this gets away from the fact that we have too many people on the planet, we are burning too much coal and the Chindia group are all wanting to buy a motor car too.

Are these possibilities hysteria

Fuzzy thinking again.

The science of catastrophic climate change due to co2 emissions is failing, but is quite separate to a host of other issues due to population and resource overuse.

Don't confuse the two.

 

[explod]

Fuzzy thinking again.

The science of catastrophic climate change due to co2 emissions is failing, but is quite separate to a host of other issues due to population and resource overuse.

Don't confuse the two.

You are entitled to your view too however I do not agree. More people means more fuel to keep warm and to transport. There is a lot of evidence to suggest that co2 emmisions are contributing to global warming.

And a point often missed is that higher temperatures bring about more cloud activity which translates to more rain and snow and of course storm activities but not an overall drop in average temperatures. Yes these things have happened before but the evidence suggest not as quickly or on the same scale.

Would recommend a very good read on the subject "The sixth extinction" which goes through the previous five in great detail and all the way is backed up by credible scientific anaylisis.

Even if we do not know can we afford to stand idly by and not at least try to do something. Concern for the current situation is not hysteria

 

[trainspotter]

Within that article

None of this gets away from the fact that we have too many people on the planet, we are burning too much coal and the Chindia group are all wanting to buy a motor car too.

Are these possibilities hysteria

I thought that is why Mother Nature gave us tsunamis, floods, cyclones and earthquakes? Sort of thinning out of the populace so to speak.

Has been happening for years. 1931 China floods 250,000+ drowned, 2004 Indonesian tsunami 230,000 wiped out, 1970 Bangladesh cyclone 300,000+ blown away, 2010 Haiti earthquake 220,000 flattened.

Funny how these natural disasters seem to hit in the densely populated areas isn't it?

 

[wayneL]

You are entitled to your view too however I do not agree. More people means more fuel to keep warm and to transport. There is a lot of evidence to suggest that co2 emmisions are contributing to global warming.

Suggestion is not empirical proof.

I agree that co2 has contributed to the latest warming cycle, but that contribution is slight enough to not worry about.

The impending ice age hypothesis is actually a far more worrying one.

 

[explod]

Suggestion is not empirical proof.

I agree that co2 has contributed to the latest warming cycle, but that contribution is slight enough to not worry about.

The impending ice age hypothesis is actually a far more worrying one.

Who is trying to assert emprical proof. As laymen we do not know. My contention is merely that perhaps we could have a problem and perhaps we should be doing something about. My own observations from a boy off the land some 65 years ago makes me believe we do have a problem and should give it a lot of attention.

 

[wayneL]

Who is trying to assert emprical proof.

Ummm, well the alarmists are trying to pass off designer conclusions as empirical proof... "the science is settled" and other such unmitigated drivel.

 

[Calliope]

None of this gets away from the fact that we have too many people on the planet.

So I suppose you are actually hoping for a cataclysmic global warming which will wipe out all those superfluous people who can't adapt. Or do you have a solution?

 

[wayneL]

So I suppose you are actually hoping for a cataclysmic global warming which will wipe out all those superfluous people who can't adapt. Or do you have a solution?

One thing I have noticed is that the "solution" never includes themselves.

Eg Al Bore, Cate Blanchett etc.

You lot stop breeding, heating your house, driving and flying around the world.

We'll just carry on as usual... fuel up the Lear Jet Jeeves.