What in the world are they spraying?

[Atlas79]

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=chemtrails&aq=f

I don't like aluminium & barium being put in my body without consent.

Very disturbing video. Better get active on this. Make this video go viral.

 

[derty]

here, you can get up to speed with the existing argument here :https://www.aussiestockforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15677

 

[pedalofogus]

hahahaha, being a new member i had never read that thread before. That has got to be one of the funniest things i have ever read.

That AI guy was certifiable!

 

[Atlas79]

I bet. Hillarious. Know what people in Germany in WWII would have said if you told them they were actually rounding people up & loading them into freight trains? They'd say "don't be ridiculous" or they would assume the leaders had good intentions.

I don't blame you guys. It is really hard for basically decent people to comprehend what truly evil people are capable of doing. But you aren't doing yourself any favour to dismiss this stuff out of hand without at least sparing 15 minutes to look at the evidence and make up your own mind.

Seriously. Do you think the cancer rates and alzheimer rates we currently have are actually normal? I urge you to please approach this subject with an open mind. Call me whatever name you like, but spare 10 minutes to examine the video before dismissing the subject.

 

[Atlas79]

Isn't this interesting too? Organic food is being made illegal in America.

Am I still a tin hatter?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6kYRa3ljZY

 

[Julia]

here, you can get up to speed with the existing argument here :https://www.aussiestockforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15677

Thanks for the link, derty. Somehow I missed that thread at the time.
Very funny.

Seriously. Do you think the cancer rates and alzheimer rates we currently have are actually normal? I urge you to please approach this subject with an open mind. Call me whatever name you like, but spare 10 minutes to examine the video before dismissing the subject.

It's about as likely as your suggestion on another thread that baking soda will cure cancer.

Life must be helluva complicated for you, Atlas, with all these threats at every turn. Commiserations.

 

[pedalofogus]

I urge you to please approach this subject with an open mind. Call me whatever name you like, but spare 10 minutes to examine the video before dismissing the subject.

I wasn't calling you anything champ, I was calling abundantincome a nutjob. And I stand by it. So unless you are actually a reincarnation of him, then you have nothing to be offended about. Actually, didn't you join around the time he stopped posting?

I think I am feeling a bit of a theory coming to me aswell.

 

[bellenuit]

I looked at one of the videos shown in the first link and can't believe how ridiculous the assertions are. What the guy is describing is nothing more than the vapour trails (I think that is what they are called) that jets emit at high altitude.

They are not often seen in Australian cities, as compared to other countries, most jets in the vicinity of an Australian city are either landing in or departing from that city, so are not at a high altitude. For instance, I very rarely see vapour trails over Perth as few jets overfly Perth (where would they be going?).

When I lived in Ireland in the 50s and 60s, it was quite common to see 4 or 5 vapour trails in the sky at any one time, as most jets flying between the US and the UK/Europe overflew Ireland at high altitude. In fact, it was rare to see a blue sky without at least one vapour trail.

 

[Atlas79]

Thanks for the link, derty. Somehow I missed that thread at the time.
Very funny.


It's about as likely as your suggestion on another thread that baking soda will cure cancer.

Life must be helluva complicated for you, Atlas, with all these threats at every turn. Commiserations.

A cure for cancer is not a threat, luv.

And I envy you and the others, who have mastery of a subject without a glance at the evidence presented and a mouth full of snarkiness and insults.

You guys really outdid yourselves on the other thread. Like being in highschool again. Even if AI was wrong in his conclusions, you guys ganged up on him like a bunch of bullies when he was nothing but polite & respectful. Really shameful to watch. Won't it be a laugh if he / I turn out to be correct on this subject?

 

[Atlas79]

I looked at one of the videos shown in the first link and can't believe how ridiculous the assertions are. What the guy is describing is nothing more than the vapour trails (I think that is what they are called) that jets emit at high altitude.

They are not often seen in Australian cities, as compared to other countries, most jets in the vicinity of an Australian city are either landing in or departing from that city, so are not at a high altitude. For instance, I very rarely see vapour trails over Perth as few jets overfly Perth (where would they be going?).

When I lived in Ireland in the 50s and 60s, it was quite common to see 4 or 5 vapour trails in the sky at any one time, as most jets flying between the US and the UK/Europe overflew Ireland at high altitude. In fact, it was rare to see a blue sky without at least one vapour trail.

Man, vapour trails dissipate soon after they are formed, and their length is 10-20 plane lengths. Chemtrails stay in the sky and thicken out to create artificial clouds.

But whatever. Hope the Ostrich strategy works out for you guys. Get your aluminium levels tested. And don't be surprised when you / someone you care about gets alzheimers / cancer. One in three people get cancer, a situation evidently acceptable to you. Since you make a mockery of someone pointing out a possible cause, all because it makes your world too uncomfortable to face unpalatable truths.

What is my motive for posting here? Share info. What is yours? Bring someone down. Without examining said info.

No matter. You were warned.

 

[bellenuit]

Man, vapour trails dissipate soon after they are formed, and their length is 10-20 plane lengths. Chemtrails stay in the sky and thicken out to create artificial clouds.

The vapour trails I saw in the sky when I was a kid in Ireland lasted for hours and slowly expanded so they looked like long narrow clouds. They were exactly the same as those in one of the YouTube videos you linked to.

This one to be specific:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5dyZ7AR55Y

 

[Atlas79]

Does this look like "contrail" condensation to you? Funny how they switch it on / off, isn't it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4D3L0YfdRtQ

 

[bellenuit]

I'm not referring to you Atlas, but the believers and promoters of this nonsense are the same type that support the Tea Party and the other right wing nutters in the US. God help us all should they gain power.

 

[bellenuit]

Does this look like "contrail" condensation to you? Funny how they switch it on / off, isn't it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4D3L0YfdRtQ

I've seen them go on and off too. Nothing unusual there. Since they happen at high altitude and in more humid zones, then if the atmospherics change as the jet transverses the sky, the vapour trail can obviously appear or disappear depending on the condition. Don't look for conspiracy when there is a simple natural explanation.

 

[derty]

Seriously. Do you think the cancer rates and alzheimer rates we currently have are actually normal?

Humans are living for longer and longer and as the body ages and deteriorates cancers become more likely. Also in everyday life we are exposed to a multitude of chemicals that were not present in our environment 50 years ago. There are a plethora of immediate factors that can be attributed to increases in cancers in society without having to invoke conspiratorial chemtrails.

Man, vapour trails dissipate soon after they are formed, and their length is 10-20 plane lengths. Chemtrails stay in the sky and thicken out to create artificial clouds.

As mentioned in the previously thread, the longevity of contrails in the sky is largely due to the atmospheric conditions where the plane is flying. If there is low wind shear and higher humidity they last longer. In addition the run of the mill particulates in the engine exhaust also has a seeding effect that can cause cloud formation.

Get your aluminium levels tested. And don't be surprised when you / someone you care about gets alzheimers / cancer. One in three people get cancer, a situation evidently acceptable to you.

The link between Aluminium and Alzheimer's present in the brain has been debunked. Early studies of Alzheimer's noticed aluminium present in neurons and surrounding tissue and a link between the metal and the disease was formed. It was later found that the stain frequently used in preparing the slides contained aluminium. Recent studies of unstained Alzheimer's sufferers brain tissue shown no anomalous aluminium.

 

[skc]

Let's assume there are evil people in the world at great powerful positions that want the world to suffer via increasing cancer, alzheimers and other diseases. Or that they can somehow profit from such actions via whatever means that we don't understand.

The question is... why would they choose to spray things in the sky leaving a trail for all to see?

Wouldn't it be so much easier just to poison the water and make it less visible to the public?

Wouldn't it be quite a hassle to get the airlines of the entire world to agree and join in the conspiracy?

Wouldn't it be quite an inefficient means of spraying chemical at such high altitute? Surely a lot of chemical is wasted and land in unpopulated areas.

May be the said evil do-er just not that smart?

 

[jonojpsg]

If aluminium is a problem, then anyone who uses antiperspirant/deodorant basically is poisoning themselves without the need for spraying it (unless you're spraying it on yourself). Interesting that they haven't found an effective alternative antiperspirant to aluminium (not sure of the compound?).

 

[Atlas79]

If aluminium is a problem, then anyone who uses antiperspirant/deodorant basically is poisoning themselves without the need for spraying it (unless you're spraying it on yourself). Interesting that they haven't found an effective alternative antiperspirant to aluminium (not sure of the compound?).

Yes I was actually told by a doctor never to use deoderant with aluminium in it because it blocks the sweat glands, causes build up of junk you would normally sweat out. There is aluminium free stuff you can get in some chemists, which does not smell like perfume / deoderant, but is safer to use. Also there's crystals to rub on your armpit which have no odour at all, but I have no idea if they work.

 

[Atlas79]

Let's assume there are evil people in the world at great powerful positions that want the world to suffer via increasing cancer, alzheimers and other diseases. Or that they can somehow profit from such actions via whatever means that we don't understand.

The question is... why would they choose to spray things in the sky leaving a trail for all to see?

Wouldn't it be so much easier just to poison the water and make it less visible to the public?

First I want to thank you for the civilized response.

I'll give you my opinion but it's going to sound paranoid and I can't help that. The world is not as nice a place as most people think, and I'm not any more comfortable with that than anyone else. Opinion: they already do poison the water. Flouride and chlorine are not good for us at all. Which is why I was very troubled when our governments started using it, while in some places in Europe it is being phased out for health reasons. Buying water isn't great either because of the plastic they use to bottle it, which seeps into the water. The best option I guess is to have a very good filter for what you drink, but then the water going into the crops is still tainted.

As for the trails, you can see why they don't need to hide the trails, because disinfo is just as effective. People do not want to believe unpleasant things. I have posted this vid / contention on several forums and the ridicule has been the majority reaction each time. Very few look at the evidence, but everyone is willing to dismiss out of hand, even with utter hostility. They don't need to hide it because people hide it for them.

Although it's interesting, some of the other youtube videos that come up when you search for "chemtrails Australia" show some examples where they spray shorter criss-cross patterns of the trails as if trying to disguise what they're up to. Also in the documentary they seem to spray off the Hawaiian coast at night, letting the trails drift onto the land. Also I have heard much of the spraying occurs at night.

That said it seems Australia isn't hit as hard by this stuff as UK, US, Europe. Victoria, Sydney & South Australia get a lot more spraying than, say Brisbane. But then, those are the places where a lot of our food is grown, so we are still getting the toxins.

Wouldn't it be quite a hassle to get the airlines of the entire world to agree and join in the conspiracy?

Wouldn't it be quite an inefficient means of spraying chemical at such high altitute? Surely a lot of chemical is wasted and land in unpopulated areas.

May be the said evil do-er just not that smart?

I'm not sure your regular airlines are doing it - it seems to be a military operation known as "HAARP", which is ostensibly about weather modification. So to effect the weather in one place maybe you do something in a different place. To me the nicest conclusion you could draw is that those doing this know of the toxins in their chemtrails, but they use them anyway for this other purpose, unmindful of what may happen to the rest of us.

My belief is that it is much more sinister, that the powers that be believe there are too many "useless eaters" and the herd needs to be culled. At this point people aren't being loaded onto freight trains because that is very difficult logistically. Far better to cause gradual and quiet build up of cancer causing substances in food, water and air. People aren't going to rise up if it can be plausibly deniable. As you can see, they would rather attack the person suggesting this is what is going on. The herd self-polices.

 

[bellenuit]

My belief is that it is much more sinister, that the powers that be believe there are too many "useless eaters" and the herd needs to be culled.

And where are all the "powers that be" hiding while these chemicals slowly disperse over the whole countryside, cities and rural. Are they going around wearing gas masks?

I've already told you reasons why they are not common above Australian cities. You mentioned Brisbane. How many planes fly at high altitude over Brisbane, compared to over Ireland or Europe. Perhaps a couple of flights a day between Japan and Melbourne.

The reason the trails criss-cross the sky in Europe/US is because flight paths criss-cross the sky. Vapour trails last for hours and disperse into long cloud like formations. Under busy flight paths there can be several if not dozens of vapour trails in the sky at any one time, some new and you can make out the jet in front and others just fuzzy trails as they dissipate. They can go on and off seemingly at the will of the pilot, but that is because the atmospherics that cause the trails change, just as sometimes turbulence will occur for a few minutes and then stop.

I've seen what is described in the videos almost every clear day when I was growing up. Ireland doesn't have an airforce worth talking about. It was purely commercial traffic between the US and Europe.