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I'm sorry mate but we aren't going to convince each other, it's clear. The videos to me look pretty clear and obvious deliberate crisscross patterns, often by military craft. An hour on youtube searching "chemtrail" videos changed my view on this very dramatically.

I do appreciate however that unlike some who dispute the evidence you don't seem to need to lash out and attack.
 
Combustion of aviation turbine fuel (kerosene) produces water vapour as a basic function of it being burnt. So does petrol, diesel, LPG, natural gas, fuel oil etc.

There is hydrogen as well as carbon present in all these fuels (hence the term "hydrocarbon") and it is basic chemistry that the major products of combustion are heat, H2O (water) and CO2 (carbon dioxide). Add to that various minor products due to fuel impurities (eg sulphur dioxide, SO2) and incomplete combustion (eg carbon monoxide, CO).

Now, if the atmospheric conditions are right then you will see condensation form from the exhaust. Just like how you see "steam" coming out of the exhaust of literally every car on a cold winter morning.

People living in warm climates may not realise this, but it is easily possible to get a several metre long trail of visible condensation from the exhaust of an ordinary car, in ordinary driving, under the right conditions (one of which is simply idling the engine). With petrol engines it is a very common sight in cold weather but even a diesel engine will do it under the right circumstances.

On a larger scale, those living in Adelaide will no doubt have seen the "steam" plumes coming out the stacks at Torrens Island. That is not steam from boilers, but simply water released as a consequence of burning a very large quantity of fuel (primarily natural gas in this case but occasionally also fuel oil).

If you're in Melbourne, you'll sometimes see the exact same thing (though on a smaller scale) from the stack at Newport. Again, that's just water vapour created by burning a large quantity of natural gas (and occasionally fuel oil).

So it is undeniable that aircraft emit large amounts of water vapour in normal operation given that they burn large quantities of kerosene. Whether or not someone is adding chemicals I really don't know, but it is a fact that planes do emit water vapour as do cars, power stations and anything else burning hydrocarbon fuels.

As for weather modification, in Australia ongoing operations are pretty much limited to Tasmania apart from a few generally short term programs in other states. Silver iodide is the chemical used in Tasmania although simple dry ice (solid carbon dioxide) has also been used in the past. Silver iodide is more effective at inducing rain however.

The purpose of the Tasmanian program, which is a permanent program run each year, is to increase rainfall and thus runoff into hydro-electric catchments. It is proven to be effective by quite a lot of research, and is occasionally extended into agricultural areas of the state when conditions warrant.
 
Atlas79 said:
I'll give you my opinion but it's going to sound paranoid and I can't help that.
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OK, it's just your opinion.
My belief is that it is much more sinister, that the powers that be believe there are too many "useless eaters" and the herd needs to be culled.
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Then, my belief is that they are doing a **** job.
 
Atlas79 said:
I'm not sure your regular airlines are doing it - it seems to be a military operation known as "HAARP", which is ost. People aren't going to rise up if it can be plausibly deniable. As you can see, they would rather attack the person suggesting this is what is going on. The herd self-polices.
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You would feel more at home on the Conspiracy Theory thread among the nutters.
 
spooly74 said:
OK, it's just your opinion.
Then, my belief is that they are doing a **** job.
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Codex Alimentarius was to be implemented in late 2009.
Agenda 21 is beginning to be clearer from what anyone can see on regular state controlled media.
The Georgia guidestones state the world's population is to be 500,000,000.

Some things to look at which is freely available in the public domain.
I don't know what all of the above means with respect to this thread.
 
You do realise that at around 8%, Aluminium is the most abundant metal in the crust? It is a large component of clays, one of the main end products of the weathering of rocks and forms the main component of soil. Clay is very fine and blows around easily. Finding 375,000ppb (375ppm) in a water sample from a pond is not that unusual when the average abundance of Al in the sediments within the pond will be around 80,000ppm or (80,000,000ppb).
 
derty said:
You do realise that at around 8%, Aluminium is the most abundant metal in the crust? It is a large component of clays, one of the main end products of the weathering of rocks and forms the main component of soil. Clay is very fine and blows around easily. Finding 375,000ppb (375ppm) in a water sample from a pond is not that unusual when the average abundance of Al in the sediments within the pond will be around 80,000ppm or (80,000,000ppb).
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8%, but located where?

They say you can't grow organic food seeds in Soil that is contaminated with high amounts of Aluminium.

Also Aluminium is not the only thing they are spraying in the sky.
 
No one's commented on the new law making it illegal to grow organic food in America.

Do a search on that. Then I look forward to you reasonable fair minded people's suggestions as to why such a law is being made.
 
electronicmaster said:
8%, but located where?

They say you can't grow organic food seeds in Soil that is contaminated with high amounts of Aluminium.

Also Aluminium is not the only thing they are spraying in the sky.
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8% is the average abundance of Al in the crust (everything from under your feet to about 30km down). Thought when you measure the soil, due to elements being removed during the weathering process and Al being a residual element, the Al level is about 11%. So not an insignificant constituent.

Now you are correct that Al is a toxin to plants. But it is not the Al oxide that is present in the rocks and soil. The toxic form of Al is the 3+ valence state. Soils won't contain appreciable Al3+ amounts unless the soil is of an acidity of ph5.0 or less, otherwise the Al is contained as an inert oxide.

The oxide form Al2O3 is very stable and takes a lot of energy to get from the oxide to the metal or the ion. Hence why aluminium smelters are usually sited very close to power stations.

Now if you have Al in solution in plane fuel the burning process is going to create Al2O3, the stable oxide form. If Al2O3 is incredibly toxic then simply putting some dirt in your mouth is going to be orders of magnitude more dangerous that ingesting the purported aerosol Al you guys claim. If the Al is released a separate spray, independent of the fuel as a AlOH or some kind of salt then as soon as it gets into solution or in moat cases in contact with air it will form an oxide.

The hardest part about Al is delivering it in a reactive form. How is this done?? Plus you have to take into account that the initial studies that found Al to be linked to Alzheimer's and created the current Al-fear were in error and recent tests have found that Al is not linked to Alzheimer's
 

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