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Mickel said:
With all this at stake, one can readily suspect that there might be a sense of urgency provoked by the possibility that warming may have ceased and that the case for such warming as was seen being due in significant measure to man, disintegrating. For those committed to the more venal agendas, the need to act soon, before the public appreciates the situation, is real indeed. However, for more serious leaders, the need to courageously resist hysteria is clear. Wasting resources on symbolically fighting ever present climate change is no substitute for prudence. Nor is the assumption that the earth’s climate reached a point of perfection in the middle of the twentieth century a sign of intelligence.


Link- http://www.quadrant.org.au/blogs/doomed-planet/2009/07/resisting-climate-hysteria
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A very rational and timely expose`of climate change hysteria Mickel. Unfortunately the alarmists have very short and selective attention spans and they won't read it. It has to be something lifted from the Age or the Guardian to get their attention.

On the other hand I seldom read their rubbish (except for a laugh.) So it's a Mexican stand-off.

By the way, Monbiot chickened out of debating the issue with Plimer.
 
The latest in Climate Hysteria from the Qld State Labor Government will commence for sellers of any residential property from Jan 1 2010.

The Qld State Govt passed a law on Thurs night to compel all sellers to complete a "Sustainability Declaration". Check the Govt website here -

http://www.dip.qld.gov.au/sustainable-housing/sustainability-declaration.html

Check out the Declaration here - http://www.dip.qld.gov.au/resources/form/sustainable-housing/declaration.pdf

This law comes with severe penalties for non compliance and is overseen by Premier Bligh’s husband Greg Withers, the bureaucrat (assistant director-general), who’s in charge of the state government’s Office of Climate Change.

It is an attempt to brainwash all Queenslanders about their Climate Change agenda. Some commentators are also of the view that it would provide a rich stream of taxation for State Govts in the future.

But watch out in the other Australian States as a spokesperson for REIA stated on radio this morning that it is on the agenda of the Federal Govt.
 
I posted this on another thread but it is more relevant here. They are ramping up the hysteria to get us primed for Copenhagen. I realise it is too long, but here goes.

http://www.smh.com.au/environment/dykes-may-be-vital-in-stemming-venice-effect-20091113-iesa.html

Dykes may be vital in stemming Venice effect
MATTHEW MOORE URBAN AFFAIRS EDITOR
November 14, 2009
DYKES, seawalls and other barriers may have to be built to save thousands of coastal properties, many of them in Sydney and Melbourne, according to a landmark study.
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Calliope said:
A very rational and timely expose`of climate change hysteria Mickel. Unfortunately the alarmists have very short and selective attention spans and they won't read it. It has to be something lifted from the Age or the Guardian to get their attention.

On the other hand I seldom read their rubbish (except for a laugh.) So it's a Mexican stand-off.

By the way, Monbiot chickened out of debating the issue with Plimer.
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Hysteria you call it. The rubbish is from your side of the argument. The broard generalisations and weak anecdotal without support other than what you selectively take from the past is clear enough. Your concern at changes that are being made to the detriment from your point to the real estate industry, coal et.al. exposes the bias.

Global warming and outright deterioration of the planet is clearly self evident without the need of science, (though an objective look at the science is compelling)we can see and feel it with our own senses.

Al Gore is not a scientist he merely puts forth his view as a concerned citizen.

Yes the planet, has been here before in different ways. (the Book "The Sixth Extinction" paints it clearly) but in those periods, the species have been decimated to the tune of 90% You want us to go down that path.

And I will not go down the path of reminding of the huge number of clear and observable changes, but will say, that if even 10% of what appears to be happening, happens, then all efforts need to be put in place to safeguard our planet and species from any where near the projected outcomes.

And I believe this thread ought be linked into the thread headed "Climate Change...".
 
Mickel said:
The latest in Climate Hysteria from the Qld State Labor Government will commence for sellers of any residential property from Jan 1 2010.
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Good information, thanks. Does it mean that values will increase/decrease dependent on the sustainability features? Go with the flow and make that house more sustainable. ;)
Why is this being introduced?

There is growing concern about the impacts of climate change and the need to improve existing housing stock. Encouraging prospective buyers to make informed choices about the sustainability performance of residential buildings is becoming increasingly important.

Properties with a greater number of sustainability features potentially have lower energy costs and use less water. They can also be more comfortable to live in and generate fewer greenhouse gas emissions.

Homes with access features may be more liveable for occupants during their various life stages and the inclusion of safety features can reduce potential risks around the home. The declaration aims to increase awareness about sustainable housing features when a property is marketed for sale.

It also promotes possible ongoing financial and environmental benefits that could be achieved with specific features. It is anticipated that the declaration will help promote the sustainability of a home and become a key marketing tool for real estate agents and private sellers.
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Variation in Weather and normal changes in the environment have become the main tenets of a New Religion of the Left now that communism has been debunked as a religion without foundation.

All the usual suspects, Crusties, Basket Weavers, Fabians, The ABC and Greens are out there trolling the message.

Its worse than Scientology.

gg
 
explod said:
And I believe this thread ought be linked into the thread headed "Climate Change...".
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I don't think so. You are a "Climate Change Hysteria Denier". You obviously don't want to join the resistance movement. I think 2020's thread may be more to your liking.
 
explod said:
Hysteria you call it.
Yes the planet, has been here before in different ways. (the Book "The Sixth Extinction" paints it clearly) but in those periods, the species have been decimated to the tune of 90% You want us to go down that path.
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explod, mate, you have hit the nail on the head.

The one fact that everyone agrees on is that there are too many humans on the planet.

The Chinese brought in their 1 child policy.

This is an uncomfortable fact that no government or godbothering sect is willing to address.

gg
 
Those who have found their post(s) in this thread edited or deleted, this is why:

Joe Blow said:
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Posts may be removed or quoted material shortened by myself or one of the site moderators if this rule is ignored.

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Joe Blow said:
This is still an issue that some people do not seem to be taking seriously.

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From this thread:
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Plenty of government assistance available.

The Solar Homes and Communities Plan started helping Australian homes and communities reduce their energy use, help the environment and save on energy bills in 2000.

Since November 2007, the program has provided rebates of up to $8,000 for the installation of solar photovoltaic systems.
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Insulation for homeowners, renters & landlords.

The non-means tested package includes:

* ceiling insulation worth up to $1,200 for Australian Householders, including Owner-Occupiers, Landlords and Tenants of currently uninsulated homes or homes with very little ceiling insulation; OR
* a $1,600 rebate for installing a solar hot water system or a $1,000 rebate for installing a heat pump hot water system, to replace an electric storage hot water system.
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Green Loans is a new Australian Government initiative to help Australians tackle climate change.

The Green Loans Program assists Australian families to install solar, water saving, and energy efficient products.

The Green Loans Program provides:

1. detailed, quality Home Sustainability Assessments; and
2. access to Green Loans of up to $10,000, that are interest free for up to a maximum of four years, to make the changes recommended in the assessment.
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Rebates for households to install rainwater tanks or greywater systems

Rebates of up to $500 are available to households for either:

* The purchase and installation of a new rainwater tank which is connected for internal reuse of the water for toilet and/or laundry use; or
* The purchase and installation of a permanent greywater treatment system.
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And the cities of tomorrow ....
Solar Cities - a vision of the future

Australia's Solar Cities are Adelaide, Alice Springs, Blacktown, Central Victoria, Moreland, Perth and Townsville.

Each Solar City will integrate a unique combination of energy options such as energy efficiency measures for homes and businesses, the use of solar technologies, cost reflective pricing trials to reward people who use energy wisely, and community education about better energy usage in an increasingly energy-reliant world.
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Vizion said:
Quite untrue Garpal, Lindsey Tanner spoke about just this problem last week and the way Australia might fit into the G20's forward planning to stabilise the worlds population.
As for the Nay Sayers to climate change :horse:

http://royalsociety.org/page.asp?id=6229
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Viz, mate, one of the unfortunate elements of debate is that when the left run with an idea and someone disagrees with it all hell breaks loose.

The reaction against the "naysayers" goes over the top.

In this case we are dealing with science and propoganda and the left cannot deal with the libertarian philosophy of the former, but are comfortable with the totalitarian elements of the latter.

I rest my case.

gg
 
explod said:
Al Gore is not a scientist he merely puts forth his view as a concerned citizen.
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Yes, a view largely debunked by a British High Court Judge.

Professor Lindzen, who was a lead author of one of the IPCC's papers and is respected by both sides of the argument has set out why CO2 will not warm the planet 3-5 degrees celsius as quoted in the IPCC's modeling. Therefore the the hysteria and ETS (and the whole Copenhagen Treaty) is NOT justified.
 
so mickel , is this going to be the hottest Nov on record for Sth Aust?
what about this summer? - is it gonna be another disaster for the people and wildlife of Victoria?

You seem pretty sure you know it's all gonna be ok - "settle down people! - no need to do anything! - just go home and turn the aircons up! - relax!"

say, if you're wrong - can we send you the bill?
 
Excellent move by the government to move swiftly on this issue and make positive changes regarding both derived and consumed energy. Homo Ignoramus numbers are small with the species to eventually die off or evolve with the positive changes; and there will be positive changes.
 
There is no doubt that the climate change hysterics have overplayed their hands;

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...ndermines-debate/story-e6frg71x-1225797519791

The Weekend Australian editorial.

That many Australians remain sceptical about the broader issues is no surprise. Nothing erodes a serious argument faster than exaggerated claims and half-baked science. Too much of the debate has been short on facts, and the green movement has eroded its credibility by stunts such as the World Wildlife Fund's Earth Hour, almost meaningless given Australia's 1 per cent contribution to global emissions.
By unquestioningly publishing doomsday scenarios in their unbridled enthusiasm for green causes, some journalists have unwittingly undermined the case for an ETS and tipped some people towards scepticism.
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2020hindsight said:
so mickel , is this going to be the hottest Nov on record for Sth Aust?
what about this summer? - is it gonna be another disaster for the people and wildlife of Victoria?

You seem pretty sure you know it's all gonna be ok - "settle down people! - no need to do anything! - just go home and turn the aircons up! - relax!"

say, if you're wrong - can we send you the bill?
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I sense a touch of hysteria here.
 

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