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ZFX - Zinifex Limited

Its bad call but i think for worst advice on the thread; ur advice on rent instead of buy will give it a good run!!!

To clarify, If you live in Sydney and are thinking about buying your first home NOW I recommend you don't, instead wait and rent. Unless you get a very good deal (big discount) on a place you love.

Buy later of course when the price is right. but NOW you are better of renting.

When that will change is undetermined. I'm guessing not in the next 9 months. Alot depends on interest rates.

Those who bought between now and 2003 got shat on. I kept renting and saving and investing - I'm glad I did.

 
As for zinifex, $10 will seem cheap in 6 months time

Why?

What will it be worth in 6 months, and why?

Pasminco anyone?
 
LME stocks are depleting.

Read the zinc the metal for 2006 thread... its all there.

Zinc will be in supply deficit this year... simple as that... supply/demand... whether or not hedge funds are long or short doesnt matter longer term.... when theres not enuf zinc left to meet the demand of users thats when the spike will come.

I suspect around october/november is where the spike will come; especially if those warehouses located in new orleans get hit by hurricanes like they did last year.

Century the worlds 2nd biggest zinc mine by production; about 400-500ktonnes this year their production... zinifex unhedged...

Very low p/e ratio.... next year they will earn $3 per share... so about 3x earnings... Buffet would eat this up!

And good dividends as well... maybe $1 this year? UBS thinks so...

Realist

The market will decide how much its worth in 6 months; but fundamentals look good 2 me...
 

Macquaire doesn't seem immediate value in ZFX (23/6/06)...EXTRACT

Value without the trap - Avoiding value pitfalls

Event
We identify stocks that are undervalued on Macquarie.s quant models, but are
not cheap due to poor short-term performance, or for other obvious reasons
such as poor growth or lack of earnings certainty.
Rather than a simple screen of stock names, this is implemented as a
portfolio-type strategy with historical performance measured.
Impact
This strategy is more effective than simply buying the cheapest stocks (eg buying the lowest PER stocks) as it weeds out companies that the market has
correctly priced.
Stocks currently fitting the .value without the trap. criteria are listed in the table
at left and include Zinifex (ZFX), Funtastic (FUN) and Smorgon Steel (SSX).
Analysis
In Australia, simply buying stocks that are cheap (eg those on a low PE) is a profitable trading strategy.
However, there are stocks that trade on a low PER for valid reasons . buying these stocks may impede further outperformance. Finding a way to identify
and avoid such stocks improves the effectiveness of a low PER strategy.
Avoid stocks with negative short-term price momentum
Stocks with negative short-term price momentum can look cheap because the
market reacts immediately to bad news. However, it takes a while for this to
feed through to analyst earnings forecasts.
In a PE sense these stocks trade on a low PE because the .P. has adjusted
but is still awaiting the adjustment to the .E. that will soon occur.
Stocks that are cheap for a reason
Stocks can look cheap when there is reason to doubt the quality of the
forecast earnings. Specifically, the market will punish stocks:
⇒With poor earnings certainty (a large dispersion of analyst forecasts);
⇒Paying out low amounts of earnings in dividends;
⇒With a poor track record of delivering EPS growth.
In a PE sense, these stocks are not cheap. They are trading on appropriate
.P. for the quality of the .E..
Stocks are sold from the portfolio when:
⇒Last month.s performance was in the bottom 10% of
the market;
⇒Last month.s performance and the previous month.s
performance were in the bottom 30% of the market;
or
⇒Three month earnings revisions signal in the bottom
30% of the market.
The rationale for this is to quickly remove stocks from the
portfolio if they are not meeting our expectations. This
allows stocks more time to perform once they meet the
criteria, as the filter is a longer term strategy. It also
reduces the potential of holding stocks that continue to
fall while satisfying the filter criteria which may be a
result of lagged data or other negative attributes not
captured by the filter.
Outperforms simple value strategy
Stocks that satisfy only the first two criteria (cheap on PE
and excluding poor dividend yield) demonstrate the
strength of filtering out poor quality stocks based on the
three additional criteria (poor earnings certainty,
earnings growth and earnings revisions).
.Value without the trap. is a more successful strategy
than a .value only. strategy as measured by active
annualised returns and information ratios, although it is
also more volatile.
 
hahaha

i dont even hold MS, so to be honest i dont care what they think

like i said; every1 cares about making money for themselves; brokers are no different

i wouldnt be suprised if macbank was looking to take a stake in zinifex; but of course they wont pay market price; so they ramp it down and then pick up some cheapies

the market will punish stocks with poor earnings certainty?
LOL
yeh i can see how the market has "punished" zinifex, it used to be $3.25 in august last year....
 

I'm confused - the way I read it they are saying it does fit the 'value without the trap' doesn it? i.e. they have a positive view on it?

Do you have a link to the full article with accompanying table anywhere?
 
Yea I had to read it twice to make sure I had my head around it.

The way I read it they are saying that ZFX is one of the few value stocks that currently exist that are cheap.

I could be wrong.....
 
clowboy said:
Yea I had to read it twice to make sure I had my head around it.

The way I read it they are saying that ZFX is one of the few value stocks that currently exist that are cheap.

I could be wrong.....

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=65960

Zinifex set for bumper annual result
Thursday Jun 29 17:58 AEST
Zinc and lead producer Zinifex is set for a four-fold increase in profit this year, analysts say.

Fitch Ratings has assigned a BB-plus long-term foreign currency issuer default rating (IDR) to Zinifex, saying metal prices should remain strong in the immediate future.

The international ratings agency predicted that Zinifex would post a bumper annual net profit for the financial year ending Friday, tipping it may exceed $800 million.

Some analysts have tipped higher results, with Credit Suisse forecasting a $912 million result for 2005/06 and Goldman Sachs JBWere (GSJBW) $973.3 million.

That would be a massive increase on the $234.7 million net profit Zinifex reported for the 2004/05 year.

Analysts have forecast even stronger earnings for the new financial year, with Credit Suisse predicting Zinifex could post a $1.48 billion net profit and GSJBW a $1.22 billion result in 2006/07.

The company's mines were cost competitive compared to other operations in the western world, Fitch said, and with most of its mines in Australia, Zinifex was well positioned to take advantage of the growing Asian and Chinese markets.

"Zinifex is currently enjoying the benefits of buoyant metal prices (with zinc recently recording record high levels) and generating strong levels of earnings and cash flow," Fitch said.

Soaring zinc prices helped Zinifex post a massive 160 per cent jump in net profit to $227.6 million in the first half.

At the time, the miner predicted its performance in the second half would substantially exceed that for the first half, if the zinc price was sustained at well above average levels.

Fitch said the bumper profits were close to peak cycle earnings although it added that solid earnings should be sustainable over the foreseeable future, but would be largely reliant on continued strong metal prices.

"Market fundamentals for zinc prices (the major driver of Zinifex's earnings) appear to remain favourable over the immediate future, with concentrate supply constraints limiting metal production," Fitch said.

"This combined with continued growth in demand from China and the rest of the world is likely to result in a continued supply deficit in zinc markets, supporting strong zinc prices over the foreseeable future."

The lead and zinc were historically tough industries, experiencing volatility in both directions, Fitch said, pointing to Zinifex's narrow commodity focus.

It warned the current high zinc prices was not sustainable in the medium to longer term, particularly as more supply came into the market in 2007 and 2008.

thx

MS
 
I hope your right about this. Ever since May this stocks been in the red for me. I hope it goes nuts and bolts to 30 dollars + haha.

*fingers crossed*

CHEN
 
chennyleeeee said:
I hope your right about this. Ever since May this stocks been in the red for me. I hope it goes nuts and bolts to 30 dollars + haha.

*fingers crossed*

CHEN

It takes time, and also the DOW must hold at least

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601109&sid=aYgxkKfmHPsM&refer=

 
Interesting to note that it's now cheaper to galvanise fabricated steel than use the lesser quality dimet treatment in Australia as a result of the additional dimet labour costs.
 
thanks for the articles MS... definately music to my ears

i think as each day goes past in this correction, the zinc/ZFX story just becomes more compelling and serves as justification for those buying ZFX at the moment.

just wondering if any of you invest in some of the foreign zinc companies mentioned in the 2nd article ie Korea Zinc, India's Hindustan Zinc Ltd, Japan's Toho Zinc Co.?
 
Good time for all the metals Fri night... Zinc up to $1.45/lb. And broker consenus pretty good for ZFX (P.E. for ~4.5-5x times with net profit of ~950mill).

Unfortunately for the Kippster.... sold out on Fri for (small) CGT losses- I thought the SP would hit resistence again at $10- but think it'll punch on through past 10 now... I've had VERY bad (unlucky?) timing with my selling lately... Best of luck to those still on the Z-train.
 
silence said:
19-06-06 My interpretation is that $10 is the neckline..the price also came up to about that from underneath (the most recent day on your chart there) after it broke through it which confirms it.

I'll be looking at puts tomorrow morning I think

I guess the last couple of days answers where that neckline is. Quite a resistance at 10.68 with all the competitors marching up past it.
John
 

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to be continued...
 

thx

MS
 
MS,

I'm appreciating your contributions but are you aware that by quoting the entire text from the Eureka Report article you are breaking the law. You should at least mention your source.
 
thats got to be one of the most boring days of zfx trading ever - sideways in a 5c wide band since just after 11:00 ... YAWN ... maybe it'll do something exciting towards the close ...
 
Well if we look at head + shoulders theory, it will now face a longish term downwards decline - right?

Recent peak at $11.20 could be 2nd point in longterm downtrend?
 
silence said:
Well if we look at head + shoulders theory, it will now face a longish term downwards decline - right?

Recent peak at $11.20 could be 2nd point in longterm downtrend?
Do you have a link to Head and Shoulders theory explained?
THanks
 
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