I don't think that comparison puts this into adequate context. Sept 11 occured after one and a half years of a bear market in the US. This has occured after 4+ years of bull markets globally. A better comparison might be Oct '87 or '97. I'm not suggesting this is where we are again...but the contexts are more comparible.
Yes, but because of computing power, the credit derivative industry is exponentially bigger, more complex and convoluted, and fraudulent now than then.is this the debt you mean Wayne? and that chart is a couple of years old now...
The interest rate in those days was 13%-/18% & 21%
That is what you can call a "Credit Squeeze"
Exactly! Also against inflation levels... especially wage inflation.Interest rates need to be considered relative to debt levels. Absolute numbers do not allow for a direct apple against apple comparison. You gotta dig a little deeper.
anyone with any views, market being oversold b/c of sub prime exposure, factoring in of interest rate rises? or is the market a little overvalued.
Yes, but because of computing power, the credit derivative industry is exponentially bigger, more complex and convoluted, and fraudulent now than then.
I'm trying to find some charts and explanation I saw on another forum regarding credit swap spreads or something (beyond me) that showed the true direness of the situation... basically a severe credit crunch approacheth.
Interest rates need to be considered relative to debt levels. Absolute numbers do not allow for a direct apple against apple comparison. You gotta dig a little deeper.
I'm no economist, but know my history, and throughout history the shift in control of debt appears to coincide with a shift in the control of economic power.Exactly! Also against inflation levels... especially wage inflation.
How about this, markets are never over or undervalued, they're simply perceived. And today, the perception of many was, "I want my money instead of my shares!" :
It looks like I'm locked in for a while again...
Well i sold out of most of my positions, 8 out of 9, on Monday's open.
I really didnt like it how the market closed down so solidly on friday, went through the 6200 support as if it wasnt even there.
The other position i sold it today.
The weekend gave me some time to reflect and Iv decided that i want to save what Iv got for my systems trading.
I didnt really want to experience a large drawdown, especially since i dont have a clue as to whether i know what Im doing (yet ). All i know upto this point is bullmarket.
Now onto XAO analysis, if this bullmarket is to go on, well, we need the 200dma which is around 5900ish, to hold. If not, then it could get ugly
Where do you think the market needs to fall to before we call it a collapse... 5800 points... didn't the last correction have a fall about 600 points? Correct me If i'm wrong please.
good news, Dow looks like in Green area.
up 32 points at the moment.
hope it will stay green until close.
poof...gone. Spiked up at the open....might be a bit choppy tnite as WP says...
Hand onto to your shorts!
Cheers,
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