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Re: XAO Analysis

Whiskers, a couple points/questions.

Firstly, thanks for at least having a go and telling us what you think may happen instead of just going over what has already happened - I, for one, appreciate it and enjoy reading your posts/analysis.

Now, I'm interested in what makes you think the market will move this way? And more importantly, which sectors do you expect to perform the best/worst?

Cheers mate.
Hi M34N

"Have a go"... that's the good old Aussie motto, eh.

Well from a FA perspective one has to find out what is actually moving the market at a given time. I believe that the oil price has overshadowed all the other subprime and credit crisis issues to the point of exassipating the dire outlook for the economy when the aforementioned issues were past their worst, at least in terms of the stock markets.

Then I have made some judgements about the flow-on effects such as a higher USD and better commodity prices in AUD as a consequence.. in essence better terms of trade because of the lower AUD.

Then I use TA to help determine the mini cycles of the ASD/AUD, price of Oil and gold (and commodities), the AXO and my trades.

For example I use a number of taylored and tested lagging indicators which I find helpful in determining the strength/fullness of a swing/cycle, some shown on chart... eg an easy one is the last candle near the bottom of the bollinger bands is an indication that the stock/index is getting close to finishing it's trend and may reverse. Also the trend is showing higher highs and higher lows. Another is the Elliot Wave wave count shown which is the source of my minimum target. Mind you I'm still serving my apprenticeship with EW, but I feel as though I've taken to it like a duck to water.

Of course it's not a simple as one or a collection of indicators. It ultimately boils down to the quality of ones research and methodology and the faith one accrues in it.

But having said all that, there's risk analysis... that other traders talk about often. For me I proof read/test as many of my analysis as I can... then look at the risk v reward of my trade/nvestment choices. I'm biased toward the resource sector, excluding oil atm and selected retail and financial's.

Hi white_goodman

and by a few peoples reckoning finishing off wave C to 4200ish...

I don't subscribe to that target. As I understand most people using that target base it on the length of wave C = wave A. But that is a subjective analysis with EW that people have to decide upon.

For me, wave C does not have to equal wave A, It can also be .618% of wave A which is where I place it modified slightly by other proportions in lower degree cycles.
 
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Nyden, don't get ticked off (with me or the market) mate... get even.

Find out why you are not having any 'luck' picking the market. Just as an aside, there is no such thing as luck. We all make our own destiny.

Some have also been 'ticked' off with all the doom and gloom sayers... some of them just armchair critics.

But me, I put my money where my mouth is and I'm here to show anyone that is prepared to listen and do the hard work for their own particular circimstances that there are good profit making opportunities out there.

Again Nyden, what's the point of getting ticked off. That's just emotional frustration coming out! Remember investing and trading decisions should not be made on an emotional basis. :)



Well, would you prefer I drown them in self pity and endorse the doomsdayers... and just curl up under a rock somewhere waiting for... err becoming a self-fulling profecy. :(

Heh, been out of the market for quite a while Whiskers; I've missed a hell of a lot of losses - if that isn't smart investing, I don't know what is :p:

So, no - I've had no "bad luck" picking the market. :)

What has frustrated me whiskers is your attitude - not your analysis. I've gotten just as ticked off at gold bugs - spouting what will happen ... ugh, I hate that word with a passion.

You just sound a lot like those "experts" on the Nine news a few months back; telling mum and dad investors not to sell, that we're oversold, due for a bounce ... and look at us now. Poor blighters.
 
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What has frustrated me whiskers is your attitude - not your analysis.

Hit the nail on the head there Nyden.


Unless we see 5200 taken out with some conviction I tend to have a slightly bearish view atm.
The line of least resistance appears to be down atm but that could well change within a couple of days.
 
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Hit the nail on the head there Nyden.


Unless we see 5200 taken out with some conviction I tend to have a slightly bearish view atm.
The line of least resistance appears to be down atm but that could well change within a couple of days.

I don't have the chart at hand, but if you plot all the interest rate cuts, positive intervention by the fed etc you will notice that all good news initially produced a rally followed by the largest sell offs to date.

"It will be different this time"................love that quote ;)
 
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What has frustrated me whiskers is your attitude - not your analysis. I've gotten just as ticked off at gold bugs - spouting what will happen ... ugh, I hate that word with a passion.

You just sound a lot like those "experts" on the Nine news a few months back; telling mum and dad investors not to sell, that we're oversold, due for a bounce ... and look at us now. Poor blighters.

Hit the nail on the head there Nyden.


Unless we see 5200 taken out with some conviction I tend to have a slightly bearish view atm.
The line of least resistance appears to be down atm but that could well change within a couple of days.

I don't have the chart at hand, but if you plot all the interest rate cuts, positive intervention by the fed etc you will notice that all good news initially produced a rally followed by the largest sell offs to date.

"It will be different this time"................love that quote ;)

Augh, c'mon guys... so you're happy with the permabears saturating the environment with the market WILL get worse and everyone will lose money and becoming a selffulling prophecy. ;)

:eek: Oops, you are bears. :p:
 
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seen this happen way too often... US gov steps in to help an failing stock, market goes crazy and futures surge.. the euphoria will only last a few hours before they realise how dire things are... and then things go bear-shape again...
 
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Interesting comments from Allan Kohler from ABC finance tonight...

Said that the reaction from the rescue of Fannie/Freddie was similar to that of the rescue that Bear Sterns was given.

Also, said that after BS was given a life line to bail out, the market rallied... raises the question, could this Fannie/Freddie rescue give some confidence to the market for another similar rally?
 

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Also, said that after BS was given a life line to bail out, the market rallied... raises the question, could this Fannie/Freddie rescue give some confidence to the market for another similar rally?

I don't know, but a move of 3.57% today (to the upside!) on the XAO certainly just got my attention. Safe to say we're still in a support/resistance zone, albeit now a lot closer the top than the bottom. With the breadth of today's move one must give credence to the idea that we'll see 5400 before we see the low side of 4882. :2twocents

Edit: something closer to 5400, at least on the high side of 5200/50. I'm not gonna put a specific number out there because it plays little role in my opinion. Not when you're trading individual stocks at least. And I don't care for bragging rights :)
 
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raises the question, could this Fannie/Freddie rescue give some confidence to the market for another similar rally?

The fundamental basis of the US monetary situation still remains.

SPI is un impressed.
 

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The fundamental basis of the US monetary situation still remains.

SPI is un impressed.

The fundamental basis of the US monetary system was rearing it's ugly head in the latter part of 2006 when fore-closure rates accelerated markedly. The stock market (as represented by the muppet index at least) on the other hand went on to make four subsequent new all-time-highs in the ensuing 12 months.

Divergences between stock prices and reality are not all that uncommon.
 
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So what are we suggesting for today. SPI Futures are down 20 odd points, so the market will open lower - will it hit the 5150\5200 mark..? or go bear below 5000..?
 
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So what are we suggesting for today. SPI Futures are down 20 odd points, so the market will open lower - will it hit the 5150\5200 mark..? or go bear below 5000..?

It is now so important for SPI200 Sep contract to hold 4970. If it does not hold, we might be going down again.
 
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It is now so important for SPI200 Sep contract to hold 4970. If it does not hold, we might be going down again.

The SPI doesn't drive the market. It's just those futures traders ;) trying to guess which way it will go.

Oil has pretty well steadied but I'm thinking it may give us a short stab under the psychological $100 barrier just to give some encouragement that it will eventually go below 100.

The next big factor I think will be the USD index shooting well over 80 (from 79'ish now) and the AUD falling further to at least .7570 pretty soon.

Gold is consolidating nicely around $US800 and other metals are generally holding too and I think poised to move higher despite the USD gaining.

That should lay the ground work for the XAO to kick on stronger.
 
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The SPI doesn't drive the market. It's just those futures traders ;) trying to guess which way it will go.

Oil has pretty well steadied but I'm thinking it may give us a short stab under the psychological $100 barrier just to give some encouragement that it will eventually go below 100.

The next big factor I think will be the USD index shooting well over 80 (from 79'ish now) and the AUD falling further to at least .7570 pretty soon.

Gold is consolidating nicely around $US800 and other metals are generally holding too and I think poised to move higher despite the USD gaining.

That should lay the ground work for the XAO to kick on stronger.

Global slow down will not do any favour to the commodity prices. Metal/oil prices movement has been reflected in today's BHP price once again i.e $36.47 down 3%. Any potential gain in XJO will be limited by falling stock prices of commodity stocks....
 
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So what are we suggesting for today. SPI Futures are down 20 odd points, so the market will open lower - will it hit the 5150\5200 mark..? or go bear below 5000..?

It's a hindsight call, but I would not have expected today to be an up day after yesterday's move, even on the back on the SPY posting 2+%. See what the US does tonight. More strength might be enough to take the XAO to 5150-ish tomorrow...but really, who the heck really knows???
 
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Global slow down will not do any favour to the commodity prices. Metal/oil prices movement has been reflected in today's BHP price once again i.e $36.47 down 3%. Any potential gain in XJO will be limited by falling stock prices of commodity stocks....

Global slowdown issue aside for a moment, there are some pretty serious currency revaluations going on that is going to change the playing field quite considerably in favour of the Aus export commodity and tourism economy in particular.

I think BHP is being hit because of the oil price falling. When people realise how much that will be offset by higher returns from commodity prices it will turn around.

The following charts are for gold, but it's a similar story for other commodities. The AUD price is rising and with further falls in the AUD it gets better.
 

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