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visual said:
Of course when I made that statement about muslims I meant countries where thay have migrated to,like western countries,such as Australia,France,Canada ect...

Just for clarity :eek:
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I am hoping these statements you make are in jest. I don't think unemployment is even measured by religious beliefs. Has it ever occurred to you that unemployment of migrants may be related to: poor education, how minorities are treated in those countries, etc.
I can only imagine your reaction if anyone would make the (equally uninformed and unsupported) statement that women are lazy and have the highest unemployment rates in any country you would care to look... :p:
 
I'm not saying Israel is right but it is easier to be sympathetic towards them... how would you like to be born into a country where you are surrounded by neighbours that want to destroy you? and in truth your only real chance of survival is to be stonger than your enemies :2twocents
And wether they have a right to the land while been debatable I know what we'd say to the aborigine if they wanted their land back a whole different kettle of fish yes...but in someways it's not so different at all :2twocents
 
wayneL said:
Our press however, under threat of being labeled antisemitic, only promotes the Israeli point of view, so don't get sucked in by the propaganda *again*! While our press brown-noses to Isreal, they (zionists) refer to us as goyim... look up the word.

There are no white hats! Remember that! These people will lead us into WW3.
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Finally a breath of fresh air.....thank you WayneL for bringing this up.....brilliant point!!!!! Any anti israeli sentiment in always smashed down as "anti-semetic" yet Arabs, Asians, Muslims etc etc etc are constantly being hammered by the press.........and that's apparently OK???? :confused:

It blows me away that every time anti-israeli/jewish sentiment is hinted at, we r reminded of the 6mill that died in WWII.....what about the 20mill russians that perished in the same war??? what about the millions of other races that perished not only in WWII but since in numerous other wars......history reveals some interesting numbers........i'm not discounting the 6mill that perished but simply the millions of others that dont get the same mention or 5000 hollywood movies made about them......and its ok to hammer the 'goyim' as much as they like....... :mad:

its a sad sad world. :2twocents
 
Wayne perhaps that study was right,it is much better to talk to people face to face,do`h!!!!!!!!

Personally I interpreted the photo as expressing an opinion about the behaviour of Israel not about behaviour of people at war in general.

You then go and make a statement about our press presenting only one view point,it was by accident that I stumbled upon a documentary on Genin the camp that Israel is said to have destroyed and thousands of people killed,that was bogus.But the myth persists,recently the bombing on the beach was also attributed to Israel,again not truth,but look at what those particular stories were leading to.

So basically if you approach these stories without a preconceived view point sometimes you can see a balance.

As for them referring to us as goym,so tell me when was the last time someone referred to someone who didnt like spending money as a Jew.
Its not as if we use the word with any respect,actually I`m excluding myself from that because I certainly have brought up my children never to use that word ,to convey that meaning.

One day Wayne a survivor of the Holocaust(a doctor) actually tried to tell me that because I am Italian I was responsable for the holocaust.I was p****d off for weeks,but then I thought being a Jew doesnt exclude him from being a moron.

As for them leading us into the next world war,I doubt it,but in any case people have always found a reason to kill each other,we just think it`s wrong because we havent had to deal with it,on a personal basis,only discuss it.The way other people moved on so will we.I know it sounds terrible but its better than worrying about something that might never happen and if it does,well
C`est la vie :p:
 
And for those who still support Israel "defending itself", just check this carnage out:

www.lebanonunderattack.com <<==Warning- Very Graphic!

Balanced or unbalanced, i dont give a F*#@.......this is not "defending itself" this is the work of Savage Barbarians!!!!!!
 
rub92me said:
I am hoping these statements you make are in jest. I don't think unemployment is even measured by religious beliefs. Has it ever occurred to you that unemployment of migrants may be related to: poor education, how minorities are treated in those countries, etc.
I can only imagine your reaction if anyone would make the (equally uninformed and unsupported) statement that women are lazy and have the highest unemployment rates in any country you would care to look... :p:
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This was a study done recently that showed their level of unemployment compared to people of similar backgrounds.
So for example Lebanese of Christian backgrounds as compared to lebanese muslims.I think the study found that something like 45% of muslims from this background rely on welfare for their main income.Unfortunately this also included their children.It shouldnt be too difficult to look up.
 
Letter to Crikey.com today


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Greg Poropat writes: John Howard says that, in the strongest terms, no criticism is warranted of his Government's efforts in evacuating Australian citizens from Lebanon and that everything possible is being done. Alexander Downer says the Israelis won't allow a temporary ceasefire and a corridor for the evacuation of Australians. But is our Government doing everything it can? The world knows the influence the United States has over Israel. With so many Australians in such grave danger, now is the time for John Howard to cash in some of his chips with George Bush. Our Prime Minister should get on the blower to Bush and tell him it's time for payback and that Bush must coerce the Israelis into allowing safe passage for Australians. And he should make it clear that if Bush is not successful, Australia will withdraw its troops from Iraq immediately. If Howard does not try to leverage Bush for this outcome and Australians are hurt or die on the end of Israeli arms, Howard will share in the blame. And if he does try it on Bush without result, we'll know just how much the US really does value its deputy sheriff.


D o you agree???

Julia
 
Julia,

Agree 100%. There has been no criticism at all of Israel by our government or the US government. I wonder how the thousands of Australian Lebanese in Lebanon feel about this or the reported 10 thousand American Lebanese feel about it. I wonder if this will blow back on both Government. Israel has every right to attack the Hezbolah but their shelling seems to be pretty indiscriminate so far.

Australia and the US should be demanding that Israel stop long enough for non-combatants to get out.

MIT
 
swingstar said:
I'm sure the US have tried. Don't forget they have a lot of citizens over there as well.
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Correct---?!
REal citizans are those that do NOT have dule citerzenship .
This is an observation, not my personal thoughts.

Bob.
 
Bobby said:
Correct---?!
REal citizans are those that do NOT have dule citerzenship .
This is an observation, not my personal thoughts.

Bob.
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Whatever the case, it's estimated that there are the same amount of Americans as there are Australians over there. I'm sure our governments have pleaded enough. Maybe Israel are listening though? They're not exactly applying full force yet - they're mostly hitting infrastructure. You have to ask why they are doing this. Possibly preparing for something bigger, once non-citizens are out?
 
Hezbollah puts its infrastructure in neighbour hoods next to houses and schools etc. They hide behind skirts and children, then wage propaganda to maintain their cause.

Those photos in the link were graphic and I am sorry as a human that it has all occured. But, hezbollah is responsible! Lets not forget that. Disarm and the problem goes away.
 
visual said:
This was a study done recently that showed their level of unemployment compared to people of similar backgrounds.
So for example Lebanese of Christian backgrounds as compared to lebanese muslims.I think the study found that something like 45% of muslims from this background rely on welfare for their main income.Unfortunately this also included their children.It shouldnt be too difficult to look up.
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I think you are referring to a study done about Lebanese in Australia.
1) How would a study about 1 ethnic group in 1 country be justifiable support for your statement about all muslims in all countries?
2) I suspect you only picked up selective out of context quotes from this study from one of the populist rags. If you had actually bothered to read the results of the study, you'd see there isn't anything in there that would even support your opinion for muslims from 1 ethnic group in 1 country...
 
I really cant remember,but I went looking for it,and googled it,and found lots of information on it.Muslims do have a rate of unemployment much higher.Compared to everyone else,

Because I didnt know what the study was,I googled ,muslim unemployment.
 
rub92me said:
I think you are referring to a study done about Lebanese in Australia.
1) How would a study about 1 ethnic group in 1 country be justifiable support for your statement about all muslims in all countries?
2) I suspect you only picked up selective out of context quotes from this study from one of the populist rags. If you had actually bothered to read the results of the study, you'd see there isn't anything in there that would even support your opinion for muslims from 1 ethnic group in 1 country...
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The following is a bit dated, but I'm sure there is a lot more information out there on Lebanese Muslims in Australia.: http://www.hreoc.gov.au/human_rights/children_detention/submissions/trad.html
 
visual said:
I really cant remember,but I went looking for it,and googled it,and found lots of information on it.Muslims do have a rate of enemployment much higher.Compared to everyone else,

Because I didnt know what the study was,I googled ,muslim enemployment.
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Visual,
Depending on which side of this kind of argument a person is on will determine how they perceive those statistics-
they are discriminated against, or they refuse to assimilate.

It doesn't really prove anything conclusive.
 
Keisar Trad,hmmmmmm sorry this thread is going off topic,but seeing that he has since being discredited,I think he can safely be ignored.
 

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