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the_godfather4 said:
And for those who feel that previous link is too Arab biased, here is one from our Canadian friends......
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=20060721&articleId=2788
We will never get a balanced view in our media otherwise the US may not let us play with her anymore
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Snake Pliskin said:
Hey Snake, just to keep the biased a little more balanced, here is a bit more info on what they really think of the Goyim.......
http://library.flawlesslogic.com/goyim.htm
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the_godfather4 said:Hey Snake, just to keep the biased a little more balanced, here is a bit more info on what they really think of the Goyim.......
http://library.flawlesslogic.com/goyim.htm
Not being biased. Just sharing what I find. If you want to percieve that as being biased, be my guest.
Most of those links hasd stories written by arabs. That one site link I posted was written by an Indian and I am biased
Anyone see the documentary on SBS tonight, on the History of Israel, both actual (based on archaeology/history) and the bible...
Its a 4 part series, so 3 more to come...
Anyway, this first part looked at 12th - 7th century BC...
Regardless, in the 7th century BC, Israel was actually two kingdoms, Israel and Judah (capital Jerusalem)... To the north east of Israel was the vast superpower of Assyria.... to the south west of Judah was the other superpower Egypt...
Israel was invaded by the Assyrian Empire, and most of the Israelites fled into Judah, doubling its population instantly.... Judah negotiated with Assyria and became a vassal state... But the negotiations meant the people of Judah (including the Israelite refugees) flourished, as Judah was the main avenue of trade in the region...
Eventually, the Assyrian power began to wane, with them being distracted in Babylon, leaving Judah thinking about gaining independence as well as regaining the territory of Israel... However, Egypt was sniffing around too...
Anyway... around the same time, the king of Judah at the time, discovered at the temple in Jerusalem the book of Deuteronomy, as well as solidified the Laws of Moses... and made Jerusalem the only place to worship Yahweh...
The documentary hypothesises that the story of Exodus, the Ten Commandments and the Book of Deuteronomy were first converted to the RULE OF LAW in the 6th Century BC to unify the people of Judah and strengthen their resolve to resist the Egyptians and take back Israel.... Apparently that was the birth of Judaism...
Interestingly, archaeological digs in the path around Mt Sinai uncovered no actual proof of human wandering ... as described in the Exodus story (escape from Egypt)... and said it was highly unlikely that 2 million Jews escaped from Egypt…. However, telling the story and enshrining it into the psyche of the people of Judah meant that they knew that as long as they followed GODS LAW as per the 10 Commandments and the Book of Deuteronomy, GOD would not forsake them and they can resist the Egyptians and take back Israel…
Its a 4 part series, so 3 more to come...
Anyway, this first part looked at 12th - 7th century BC...
Regardless, in the 7th century BC, Israel was actually two kingdoms, Israel and Judah (capital Jerusalem)... To the north east of Israel was the vast superpower of Assyria.... to the south west of Judah was the other superpower Egypt...
Israel was invaded by the Assyrian Empire, and most of the Israelites fled into Judah, doubling its population instantly.... Judah negotiated with Assyria and became a vassal state... But the negotiations meant the people of Judah (including the Israelite refugees) flourished, as Judah was the main avenue of trade in the region...
Eventually, the Assyrian power began to wane, with them being distracted in Babylon, leaving Judah thinking about gaining independence as well as regaining the territory of Israel... However, Egypt was sniffing around too...
Anyway... around the same time, the king of Judah at the time, discovered at the temple in Jerusalem the book of Deuteronomy, as well as solidified the Laws of Moses... and made Jerusalem the only place to worship Yahweh...
The documentary hypothesises that the story of Exodus, the Ten Commandments and the Book of Deuteronomy were first converted to the RULE OF LAW in the 6th Century BC to unify the people of Judah and strengthen their resolve to resist the Egyptians and take back Israel.... Apparently that was the birth of Judaism...
Interestingly, archaeological digs in the path around Mt Sinai uncovered no actual proof of human wandering ... as described in the Exodus story (escape from Egypt)... and said it was highly unlikely that 2 million Jews escaped from Egypt…. However, telling the story and enshrining it into the psyche of the people of Judah meant that they knew that as long as they followed GODS LAW as per the 10 Commandments and the Book of Deuteronomy, GOD would not forsake them and they can resist the Egyptians and take back Israel…
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Hey Rafa, I saw it......interesting topics brought up......u will find that most of the stories in our Bible are actually plaguerised from ancient Egyptian stories......i have studied ancient Egypt at depth and the similarities are striking if not disturbing.....and most Egyptian stories were written well over 2000 years ago.......
well, apparently the story of exodus is set in 13th century BC.... 3300 years ago... so i can see why its hard to find hard evidence....
i can see why its similar to egyptian stories, becuase assuming the Jews came from Egypt... their background and popular fables and legends would be similar...
i've always wanted to know when organised, structured Judaism really formed and how... so far from the documentary is looking like 6th century BC or 2600 years ago...
the documentary was really interesting, and it does show that Israel and Judah did exist, and were in the centre of a power struggle between the Asyrians and the Egyptians... over 2600 years ago.... AMAZING STUFF
That was before islam, christianity and as far as i can tell judaism existed...
I know people like blaming God and Religion for a lot of the problems in the world today... This documentary shows that looking at it simply in religious terms, leads you to are miss a lot of the story...
i can see why its similar to egyptian stories, becuase assuming the Jews came from Egypt... their background and popular fables and legends would be similar...
i've always wanted to know when organised, structured Judaism really formed and how... so far from the documentary is looking like 6th century BC or 2600 years ago...
the documentary was really interesting, and it does show that Israel and Judah did exist, and were in the centre of a power struggle between the Asyrians and the Egyptians... over 2600 years ago.... AMAZING STUFF
That was before islam, christianity and as far as i can tell judaism existed...
I know people like blaming God and Religion for a lot of the problems in the world today... This documentary shows that looking at it simply in religious terms, leads you to are miss a lot of the story...
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visual said:gee, so in other words these people sure know how to carry a grudge!
you got that right...
this ain't going to end... regardless of what peace loving lefties or war mongering righties (even with nukes
) might like to think.... Historically, Israel lied at the confluence of the great ancients empires.... Egypt, Asyria, Greeks, Romans, Mesopotamia, Persia, Ottoman...
Nowadays, Israel is the West's only foothold in a region of vital importance to western economies... thanks to OIL!
There is another factor that seems to be left out.... the policy of Divide and Rule...
I beleive its the over 150 years of British / Western policy of Divide and Rule... (one of the instigators of Islamic fundamentalism...) that is now coming home to roost...
eg. Hindus and Muslims lived peacefully in India for many many centuries... After the uprising in 1870's when India tried to force Britian out... the British adopted the policy of Divide and Rule.... Get the Hindu's and Muslims fighting amongst themselves, and we will continue to rule... So they backed and covertly supported extremist attitudes...
This same policy was applied to most of Britains colonies... Arabia being one of them...
The remnants of this policy will continue to be felt for quite a while... except now, thanks to technology and transportation, the side effects can be felt a lot closer to home...
actually I`ve read that before about the British,they seemed to always use what ever they could and live the mess behind,you may have a point,Ok,then lets blame the bloody poms.
They also liked to redraw borders,apparently at the time that Rwanda went up in murder that was one of the contributing facts.
They also liked to redraw borders,apparently at the time that Rwanda went up in murder that was one of the contributing facts.
Yes, i agree.... blame the POMS!!! HAHA
You are spot on about artificial borders.... seemed to be a big fad in the early 19th century... Just look at the map of europe now... !
But back to WWIII...
I am now certain of the following facts...
1. The kindom of Israel/Judah existed well before the 7th Century BC... and for the first time a single religion and GOD was used to unite and rule the people... Judaism was born...
2. Historically, for some reason, everyone wanted a peice of that land!
3. Religious fundmantalism became more mainstrems in the early 19th century, thanks to the British policy of divide and rule...
4. The Islamic fundamentalist seemed to have really gotten carried away, perhaps because of percieved injustices, perhaps because of ideas of re-building ancient empires, certainly now possible thanks to the great wealth we have bestowed on them thanks to our dependance on OIL!
Unfortunately, thats all I am certain about... the rest is all smoke and mirrors....!!!
You are spot on about artificial borders.... seemed to be a big fad in the early 19th century... Just look at the map of europe now... !
But back to WWIII...
I am now certain of the following facts...
1. The kindom of Israel/Judah existed well before the 7th Century BC... and for the first time a single religion and GOD was used to unite and rule the people... Judaism was born...
2. Historically, for some reason, everyone wanted a peice of that land!
3. Religious fundmantalism became more mainstrems in the early 19th century, thanks to the British policy of divide and rule...
4. The Islamic fundamentalist seemed to have really gotten carried away, perhaps because of percieved injustices, perhaps because of ideas of re-building ancient empires, certainly now possible thanks to the great wealth we have bestowed on them thanks to our dependance on OIL!
Unfortunately, thats all I am certain about... the rest is all smoke and mirrors....!!!
Rafa said:
we may have bestowed great wealth,but they have turned out to be bad managers,the west went forward in leaps and bounds because of oil,they moved oh so slowly forward ,creating poverty along the way,and obscenely rich individuals.
Should the west lessen its reliance on oil,they`ll have nothing to show for all the oil they sold.After all to buy more weapons they will need more money,
no oil sales presumably will mean a lesser ability to pay.After all seeing that oil is running out,how long will it be before an alternate fuel can be used ? All this is doing presumably is convincing the powers that be that they need to move a little faster.
hehe... found this comment on a blog...
Sir Humphrey Appleby (From Yes Minister) made the telling point once that Britain's glorious record of partition had been splendidly successful in places such as Palestine, Cyprus, India and Northern Ireland. Surely, it had led to vicious infighting on a few occasions, such as those in Palestine, Cyprus, India and Northern Ireland, but at least it was better than having those chaps fighting against Britain!
Sir Humphrey Appleby (From Yes Minister) made the telling point once that Britain's glorious record of partition had been splendidly successful in places such as Palestine, Cyprus, India and Northern Ireland. Surely, it had led to vicious infighting on a few occasions, such as those in Palestine, Cyprus, India and Northern Ireland, but at least it was better than having those chaps fighting against Britain!
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I'm stunned... an admission from an Israeli professor -
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/742257.html
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/742257.html
i posted this on another thread on Is it the Govt's fault...
more relevant here...
Yes... I think they are slowly loosing the moral highground...
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I think we all know that the real villians in the peace are Iran / Syria...
If Israel were serious about securing their long term future, those are the countries that need to be tackled... and I am sure, they would have had the backing of most of the world, including the rest of the Arab states, to do that...
Israels activities in lebanon, including the red cross convoy bombing, now the UN watchpost bombing... means they are not doing themselves any favours!
Same like George Bush and the US.... the had all the support they could possibly want to rout out Al Quaeda.... But no, they go and attack IRAQ to install a democracy... All that has achieved is make Iran more powerfull...!
IDIOTS!!!
Maybe the US and Israel have a grand plan that will free the world of radicals.... maybe.... i certainly hope they do.... but at this point of time, i don't see it...
more relevant here...
Yes... I think they are slowly loosing the moral highground...
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I think we all know that the real villians in the peace are Iran / Syria...
If Israel were serious about securing their long term future, those are the countries that need to be tackled... and I am sure, they would have had the backing of most of the world, including the rest of the Arab states, to do that...
Israels activities in lebanon, including the red cross convoy bombing, now the UN watchpost bombing... means they are not doing themselves any favours!
Same like George Bush and the US.... the had all the support they could possibly want to rout out Al Quaeda.... But no, they go and attack IRAQ to install a democracy... All that has achieved is make Iran more powerfull...!
IDIOTS!!!
Maybe the US and Israel have a grand plan that will free the world of radicals.... maybe.... i certainly hope they do.... but at this point of time, i don't see it...
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Sabres rattling over Taiwan. Seems more serious this time.
What's y'alls thoughts?
What's y'alls thoughts?
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To my mind, Taiwan is the most likely flash point for WW3.
China's CCP have set 2049 as the date by which it must be back under their wing. 100 years after Taiwan became politically separated from the mainland.
I don't think China will back down from this significant date and I don't think the US and others will look away if China acts with force.
Nervous times as 2049 approaches.
China's CCP have set 2049 as the date by which it must be back under their wing. 100 years after Taiwan became politically separated from the mainland.
I don't think China will back down from this significant date and I don't think the US and others will look away if China acts with force.
Nervous times as 2049 approaches.
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If we get to 2049 that will be great ! Realistically China sees re unification as a near term objective. Some sobering analysis byStan Grant on China's objectives and strategies.
Taiwan asks Australia for help to prepare for war with China
Joseph Wu urges Australia to increase intelligence sharing and security cooperation with Taiwan and says the island is ready to defend itself if China launches a strike.
www.abc.net.au
If China attacks Taiwan, it could spell war
Xi Jinping may gamble that America would not spill any blood for Taiwan. Stan Grant asks: What happens next?
www.abc.net.au
