Wall St. warns to begin stockpiling food

[Seneca60BC]

LOL the US going to be a bread basket - looks like we better begin our Cantonese and Hindi language lessons!!

 

[Green08]

For us too tired to think could you give us an object lesson, an example, or a picture of what that would look like?

video link:

7 million starved in the Great Depression in USA

http://video.google.com.au/videosea...6AU226&q=food riots wall st&um=1&sa=N&tab=wv#

 

[Green08]

Famine killed 7 million people in USA - Pravda.Ru

Famine killed 7 million people in USA


Another online scandal has been gathering pace recently. Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia, deleted an article by a Russian researcher, who wrote about the USA’s losses in the Great Depression of 1932-1933. Indignant bloggers began to actively distribute the article on the Russian part of a popular blog service known as Livejournal. The above-mentioned article triggered a heated debate.


The researcher touched upon quite a hot topic in the article – the estimation of the number of victims of the Great Depression in the USA. The material presented in the article apparently made Wikipedia’s moderators delete the piece from the database of the online encyclopedia.


The researcher, Boris Borisov, in his article titled “The American Famine” estimated the victims of the financial crisis in the US at over seven million people. The researcher also directly compared the US events of 1932-1933 with Holodomor, or Famine, in the USSR during 1932-1933.


In the article, Borisov used the official data of the US Census Bureau. Having revised the number of the US population, birth and date rates, immigration and emigration, the researcher came to conclusion that the United States lost over seven million people during the famine of 1932-1933.
“According to the US statistics, the US lost not less than 8 million 553 thousand people from 1931 to 1940. Afterwards, population growth indices change twice instantly exactly between 1930-1931: the indices drop and stay on the same level for ten years. There can no explanation to this phenomenon found in the extensive text of the report by the US Department of Commerce “Statistical Abstract of the United States,” the author wrote.

http://forum.stirpes.net/historical...le-usa-during-great-depression-new-study.html

 

[nioka]

I doubt an Australian farmer is going to feed you just because you're Australian. If an American consumer offers more cash, you get no rice.

I couldn't buy ANY australian rice at woolies last week????? It was all imported.

 

[J.B.Nimble]

With a few assumptions, like us westerners are much bigger than the average staving refugee.

Fitting in like sardines.

Then 6 people per m3 would equal just over 1km3, ie 1000 metres x 1000 metres x 1000 metres.

brty

I know the prize has already been awarded but I think the cube is a bit too big. Assuming the average human has a body density not that different to water (1000kg/m3) then 6 per m3 would be a pretty heavy 165kg average. Global average for men women and children is probably less than half that. Now I know it's hard to imagine more than 6 people per m3... However, although there would be some air spaces at first, by the time we have filled the first hundred m or so of depth in our cube I reckon its going to get pretty squishy at the bottom...

 

[adluroil]

I know the prize has already been awarded but I think the cube is a bit too big. Assuming the average human has a body density not that different to water (1000kg/m3) then 6 per m3 would be a pretty heavy 165kg average. Global average for men women and children is probably less than half that. Now I know it's hard to imagine more than 6 people per m3... However, although there would be some air spaces at first, by the time we have filled the first hundred m or so of depth in our cube I reckon its going to get pretty squishy at the bottom...

I think your right /you just have to get an accurate estimate of how many people would weigh 1000KG . taking into account children and adults i would guess the average weight would be 50 kg person = 20 per cubic M
If there is 6.3 billion people then you will require 6300,000,000 / 20 =
315 million cubic m answer is a cube with sides 7km long

 

[Ageo]

Just pray that electricity supply is not interrupted during that time, or get the generator and supply of fuel just in case.

I have a Generator, plus im slowing moving all my power to solar (not incase if something happens but for cash savings over time and greenhouse effects).

 

[seasprite]

The oil situation has been "around the year 2000" for at least half a century now. I'd say they weren't far out since in an overall time perspective 2008 is damn close.

And 2012 has been the supposed date of some disaster for as long as I've heard anyone predict it. They never seem certain as to exactly what it will be though.

Due to global warming there will be no fresh water to drink in 2012 there will only be salty sea water . This will cause mass dehydration , and in random fits of madness people will gorge themselves silly on rice and flour , then get chronic constipation and die. Those that have managed to scull back a litre of 20W/50 will survive , however their taste buds will be destroyed and they will eventually perish after eating noxious plants.

 

[explod]

Casks of wine on the special at Safeway this last week.


Just party and preserve yourself at the same time.

 

[Temjin]

I always dreamed of starting an agriculture business to take advantage of the impending doom...I mean..bull. Jim Rogers is right, the next best thing is still agriculture!

How immune Australia is from this anyway? Are we fully self-sufficient on food production when all major imports are banned? I'm interested to know...for the longer term view.

 

[explod]

I always dreamed of starting an agriculture business to take advantage of the impending doom...I mean..bull. Jim Rogers is right, the next best thing is still agriculture!

How immune Australia is from this anyway? Are we fully self-sufficient on food production when all major imports are banned? I'm interested to know...for the longer term view.

I reckon we are better off than anywhere else (cept Tassie of course.)

All fish, all meats, vegetables, wheat, rice, corn, soy, sugar, honey..whew puff puff..nuff yet. wine, beer, need a few more into making whiskey and I reckon no worries, shut the gate and keep em all out

 

[2020hindsight]

I reckon we are better off than anywhere else (cept Tassie of course.)

All fish, all meats, vegetables, wheat, rice, corn, soy, sugar, honey..whew puff puff..nuff yet. wine, beer, need a few more into making whiskey and I reckon no worries, shut the gate and keep em all out

howdy explod..
we're better off than much of the world that's for sure ...
....
imagine how wide would be the eyes of a kid from some of those African countries if he were placed in an aisle of Safeways/ Woolworths etc.

 

[Ageo]

Due to global warming there will be no fresh water to drink in 2012 there will only be salty sea water . This will cause mass dehydration , and in random fits of madness people will gorge themselves silly on rice and flour , then get chronic constipation and die. Those that have managed to scull back a litre of 20W/50 will survive , however their taste buds will be destroyed and they will eventually perish after eating noxious plants.

lol thats funny indeed, and if your actually serious then i recommend spending a week in the mountains or up in the NT

 

[Aussiejeff]

I couldn't buy ANY australian rice at woolies last week????? It was all imported.

Grow your own..... :hide:

 

[sam76]

a mate just emailed this to me.

Subject: FROM The NY TIMES 9 YEARS AGO






By STEVEN A. HOLMES (NY Times)



Published: September 30, 1999


In a move that could help increase home ownership rates among minorities
and low-income consumers, the Fannie Mae Corporation is easing the
credit requirements on loans that it will purchase from banks and other
lenders.

The action, which will begin as a pilot program involving 24 banks in 15
markets -- including the New York metropolitan region -- will encourage
those banks to extend home mortgages to individuals whose credit is
generally not good enough to qualify for conventional loans. Fannie Mae
officials say they hope to make it a nationwide program by next spring.
Fannie Mae, the nation's biggest underwriter of home mortgages, has been
under increasing pressure from the Clinton Administration to expand
mortgage loans among low and moderate income people and felt pressure
from stock holders to maintain its phenomenal growth in profits.
In addition, banks, thrift institutions and mortgage companies have been
pressing Fannie Mae to help them make more loans to so-called subprime
borrowers. These borrowers whose incomes, credit ratings and savings are
not good enough to qualify for conventional loans, can only get loans
from finance companies that charge much higher interest rates --
anywhere from three to four percentage points higher than conventional
loans.

''Fannie Mae has expanded home ownership for millions of families in the
1990's by reducing down payment requirements,'' said Franklin D. Raines,
Fannie Mae's chairman and chief executive officer. ''Yet there remain
too many borrowers whose credit is just a notch below what our
underwriting has required who have been relegated to paying
significantly higher mortgage rates in the so-called subprime market.''
Demographic information on these borrowers is sketchy. But at least one
study indicates that 18 percent of the loans in the subprime market went
to black borrowers, compared to 5 per cent of loans in the conventional
loan market.
In moving, even tentatively, into this new area of lending, Fannie Mae
is taking on significantly more risk, which may not pose any
difficulties during flush economic times. But the government-subsidized
corporation may run into trouble in an economic downturn, prompting a
government rescue similar to that of the savings and loan industry in
the 1980's.
''From the perspective of many people, including me, this is another
thrift industry growing up around us,'' said Peter Wallison a resident
fellow at the American Enterprise Institute. ''If they fail, the
government will have to step up and bail them out the way it stepped up
and bailed out the thrift industry.''

My question is.. Who's going to bail out the government?!

 

[Green08]

You can be incredibly self sufficient.

Part of my childhood was on a farm we practiced perm culture. Chickens, vegetables, fruit. Considering how many of us were vegetarians - the lack of meat was not an issue. Neither was milk so didn't worry about the cow. Needed Grains - if we had more time we could have grown our own.
Needless to say we were healthy from our produce and the energy involved to grow it.

Self sufficiency is what you make of it. You can be proactive or keep going to the supermarket. Maybe a bit of both.

We currently live in suburbia and we set up a perm culture garden a few years back with the neighbors in our block of flats. It has worked well. Great for the kids to see how to be semi-sufficient.

 

[jonojpsg]

I reckon we are better off than anywhere else (cept Tassie of course.)

All fish, all meats, vegetables, wheat, rice, corn, soy, sugar, honey..whew puff puff..nuff yet. wine, beer, need a few more into making whiskey and I reckon no worries, shut the gate and keep em all out

Hey explod, do you mean that Tassie is better off even than the mainland, or that Tassie is lumped in with the anywhere else?? Obviously we don't grow rice here, but hey I reckon we're ok with the rest of it. Besides which we've got enough water down here to kick butt in ag (once we get it piped from the west coast)

Love the other posts on self-sufficiency Keep up the great work people