U.S. Presidential Election 2020

[Linus van Pelt]

Speaking of a plan (or lack thereof) to address the pandemic. The voice clips of Kushner are particularly damning.

Jared Kushner bragged in April that Trump was taking the country 'back from the doctors'

President Donald Trump's son-in-law and senior adviser, Jared Kushner, boasted in mid-April about how the President had cut out the doctors and scientists advising him on the unfolding coronavirus pandemic, comments that came as more than 40,000 Americans already had died from the virus, which...

www.cnn.com

 

[Joules MM1]

what Donald finally admitted, what the electorate finally did

 

[moXJO]

I found this an easy-to-read summary of economic indicators over the past six presidencies. Perhaps a bit simplistic for the financial whizzes in ASF, but hopefully some find this useful.

BTW, I've always thought the US president gets too much credit, and too much blame, for the economy. I've often felt other players, such as the Federal Reserve Board Chairman, have a greater influence.

For 2021 and beyond, I think the US economy will be best served by a president who will have a solid plan to address the pandemic, as I believe this is the quickest road to recovery. Happy to be corrected though...not necessarily on who you think will be the better president - clearly we all have our own strong opinions in this thread - but rather the factors that will improve the US (and global) economy the quickest.

These 10 charts show how the economy performed under Trump versus prior presidents

President Donald Trump inherited a strong economy, and it continued to grow at a healthy rate during his first three years in office. Then the Covid-19 pandemic changed everything.

www.cnn.com

Cnn probably not the best place to get stats.
Or unbiased news..

 

[moXJO]

One thing that is a for sure. Biden will win the popular vote by a landslide. If he were somehow to lose there will be mass bleating once again to change the electoral college.

It has tightened but I still think Biden will win comfortably.

 

[Linus van Pelt]

Cnn probably not the best place to get stats.
Or unbiased news..

I agree with CNN being left leaning in their opinions. So, if you read an opinion piece, it will likely be anti-Trump/anti-right/pro-left (that's a generalization).

But are you saying their news articles are not factual? In particular, the article I posted about (somewhat) easily verifiable financial data?

I say "easily" because I'm not personally going to independently verify their figures over 6 presidencies. I don't have the time or inclination. But I suspect other news sources would, and would call them out on it if their data were untrue.

And, as I'm sure you know, facts (provable data or events) are different than biases (opinions). Hopefully, CNN's biases do not affect their reporting of facts, esp. such data as the financial data I posted.

If you want to search US financial data over the past 30+ years and refute the CNN article, knock yourself out.

In the absence of factual information to refute their stories, I choose to use them as a source of facts. I have looked for more centrist sources of news, but I find the layout of the CNN website suits me finding news of interest as I live a busy life. Perhaps I'll set up an RSS feed or other "bot" to find news of interest when I have to time to research options and set it up.

FWIW, I'm actually very right leaning, or perhaps more centrist as I've gotten older. I just think Trump is grossly incompetent and unsuited to be US president. If Trump hadn't conducted a hostile takeover of the Republican Party, and there had been a better candidate (AFAIK the incumbent has never failed to be nominated in a 2nd term), I would have likely supported that candidate over Biden. Unfortunately, the result of Trump's incompetence and failed presidency will be 4 years of a left leaning President and Congress, but it is the lesser of two evils.

Assuming he loses, of course.

My opinion, of course; I suspect you think otherwise.

 

[wayneL]

The Nige on The Donald

 

[PZ99]

2016...

2020...

Same source... is this accurate do we think ?

Biden vs Trump: live results 2020

Map and results of the US presidential and congressional elections

ig.ft.com

 

[moXJO]

I agree with CNN being left leaning in their opinions. So, if you read an opinion piece, it will likely be anti-Trump/anti-right/pro-left (that's a generalization).

But are you saying their news articles are not factual? In particular, the article I posted about (somewhat) easily verifiable financial data?

I say "easily" because I'm not personally going to independently verify their figures over 6 presidencies. I don't have the time or inclination. But I suspect other news sources would, and would call them out on it if their data were untrue.

And, as I'm sure you know, facts (provable data or events) are different than biases (opinions). Hopefully, CNN's biases do not affect their reporting of facts, esp. such data as the financial data I posted.

If you want to search US financial data over the past 30+ years and refute the CNN article, knock yourself out.

In the absence of factual information to refute their stories, I choose to use them as a source of facts. I have looked for more centrist sources of news, but I find the layout of the CNN website suits me finding news of interest as I live a busy life. Perhaps I'll set up an RSS feed or other "bot" to find news of interest when I have to time to research options and set it up.

FWIW, I'm actually very right leaning, or perhaps more centrist as I've gotten older. I just think Trump is grossly incompetent and unsuited to be US president. If Trump hadn't conducted a hostile takeover of the Republican Party, and there had been a better candidate (AFAIK the incumbent has never failed to be nominated in a 2nd term), I would have likely supported that candidate over Biden. Unfortunately, the result of Trump's incompetence and failed presidency will be 4 years of a left leaning President and Congress, but it is the lesser of two evils.

Assuming he loses, of course.

My opinion, of course; I suspect you think otherwise.

I'm saying they can present whatever facts they like. But they present just enough to go for whatever narrative they want to spin.Same as quoting fox. Simplifying something a little more complex then what they have shown and hitting their target market.
Nowadays its follow certain reporters that will report the truth no matter the backlash.

Personally I want Trump another 4 years. Biden help lead the US (militarily) up shts Creek last time round. Trump has increased the spend to catch up to China and Russia technology. That will hopefully help negate the Chinese when the inevitable push comes in the region.
As much as the "space army" copped sht. Its actually extremely important to keep US satellites and the gps signal up.

I like his current position on the middle East. Although that could end up one way or the other.

I also like his position on manufacturing. I know what it shows on the chart, but its a start to pull manufacturing away from China. Globalisation needs to die off for a while. And that's for a few reasons. Pollution, corruption, the danger of everything being manufactured in one place.

As far as the divisiveness in the US. Everyone seems to have forgotten Democrats pissing and moaning when Bush was in. Thats dem centric.

And as for the political system in the US. I'm happy for Trump to keep burning it down. The guy is the perfect saboteur. He isn't the "one good man in Washington. He's a shtbag brawler with no filter. Exposing the Washington machine intentional or not. Biden is a throwback to a political system that has been obliterated over the past 4 years. I question if people can ever be settled (either side) going back to that.

Change is here and it doesn't go back in the bottle.

 

[moXJO]

2016...
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2020...
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Same source... is this accurate do we think ?

Biden vs Trump: live results 2020

Map and results of the US presidential and congressional elections

ig.ft.com

Im seeing a lot of scared Democrats who are "literally shaking right now" at the thought of Donald getting back in. And they are grassrooting as many votes they can muster. I think the above is a very possible scenario.
Black vote is out in huge numbers. Women voters. Democrats definitely have the numbers.
Biden will definitely obliterate the popular vote.

 

[IFocus]

I found this an easy-to-read summary of economic indicators over the past six presidencies. Perhaps a bit simplistic for the financial whizzes in ASF, but hopefully some find this useful.

BTW, I've always thought the US president gets too much credit, and too much blame, for the economy. I've often felt other players, such as the Federal Reserve Board Chairman, have a greater influence.

For 2021 and beyond, I think the US economy will be best served by a president who will have a solid plan to address the pandemic, as I believe this is the quickest road to recovery. Happy to be corrected though...not necessarily on who you think will be the better president - clearly we all have our own strong opinions in this thread - but rather the factors that will improve the US (and global) economy the quickest.

These 10 charts show how the economy performed under Trump versus prior presidents

President Donald Trump inherited a strong economy, and it continued to grow at a healthy rate during his first three years in office. Then the Covid-19 pandemic changed everything.

www.cnn.com

That was very revealing Clinton pretty much blew Trump away on most scores except wage growth. Given the extreme unfunded stimulus that Trump / Republicans have used before COVID I would have expected much more.

Obama having inherited the big recession didn't fare too bad either, Regan who used to be held in high esteem still fell behind Clinton.

Thanks for posting.

 

[DB008]

l'm still going for Trump

Here is a Biden rally. What a joke. Someone marked the number of cars, 50 max...

 

[basilio]

Im seeing a lot of scared Democrats who are "literally shaking right now" at the thought of Donald getting back in. And they are grassrooting as many votes they can muster. I think the above is a very possible scenario.
Black vote is out in huge numbers. Women voters. Democrats definitely have the numbers.
Biden will definitely obliterate the popular vote.

You can add to that list a lot of "shaking" traditional Republicans who want to see the back of Trump and exit his rabid supporters.
Same goes for a number of voters who thought Trump offered a fresh new approach that the Democrats through Hilary Clinton couldn't match. There will be a swag of them as well.

So far it seems the following groups have moved away from Trump

• Seniors concerned about his (non)approach to COVID
• Suburban women who aren't impressed with his racism and abuse of women.
• Some traditional, seriously disaffected Republican voters who believe Trump is a disaster

On the other hand he has held or increased support from the following groups

• QAnon groups who have become more and more vocal in their support for Trump
• People who think COVID is overrated or fraudulent or a Chinese /Marxist/Socialist plot to take over the world
• Anti Vaxxers, and a host of conspiracy theorists from Alex Jones and the lizard people down
• The various White Supremacists groups who always recognised his policies and politics
• A section of the Republican Party that has decided that Trump is the instrument for holding onto power in any way necessary.
• The Fossil fuel lobby that is rapt about the eroding of government regulations on the industry
• (Some) Big Business that have benefited from the huge top end tax cuts
• Evangelicals who want to see all abortion stopped, women take their rightful place in the home and gays and trans dealt with in a Godly way.

 

[moXJO]

You can add to that list a lot of "shaking" traditional Republicans who want to see the back of Trump and exit his rabid supporters.
Same goes for a number of voters who thought Trump offered a fresh new approach that the Democrats through Hilary Clinton couldn't match. There will be a swag of them as well.

So far it seems the following groups have moved away from Trump

• Seniors concerned about his (non)approach to COVID
• Suburban women who aren't impressed with his racism and abuse of women.
• Some traditional, seriously disaffected Republican voters who believe Trump is a disaster

On the other hand he has held or increased support from the following groups

• QAnon groups who have become more and more vocal in their support for Trump
• People who think COVID is overrated or fraudulent or a Chinese /Marxist/Socialist plot to take over the world
• Anti Vaxxers, and a host of conspiracy theorists from Alex Jones and the lizard people down
• The various White Supremacists groups who always recognised his policies and politics
• A section of the Republican Party that has decided that Trump is the instrument for holding onto power in any way necessary.
• The Fossil fuel lobby that is rapt about the eroding of government regulations on the industry
• (Some) Big Business that have benefited from the huge top end tax cuts
• Evangelicals who want to see all abortion stopped, women take their rightful place in the home and gays and trans dealt with in a Godly way.

Latino and blacks are filtering back.
Nice biased attempt though

 

[basilio]

Latino and blacks are filtering back.
Nice biased attempt though

Really ? Latinos and blacks filtering back ? I'll give you a few Latinos. Blacks ? Maybe if they also fit into some of the other catergories of current Trump supporters - QAnon, Anti vaxxers, White Supremacists ( not sure there..) or Hard Right Evangelicals.

 

[basilio]

I agree with CNN being left leaning in their opinions. So, if you read an opinion piece, it will likely be anti-Trump/anti-right/pro-left (that's a generalization).

But are you saying their news articles are not factual? In particular, the article I posted about (somewhat) easily verifiable financial data?

I say "easily" because I'm not personally going to independently verify their figures over 6 presidencies. I don't have the time or inclination. But I suspect other news sources would, and would call them out on it if their data were untrue.

And, as I'm sure you know, facts (provable data or events) are different than biases (opinions). Hopefully, CNN's biases do not affect their reporting of facts, esp. such data as the financial data I posted.

If you want to search US financial data over the past 30+ years and refute the CNN article, knock yourself out.

In the absence of factual information to refute their stories, I choose to use them as a source of facts. I have looked for more centrist sources of news, but I find the layout of the CNN website suits me finding news of interest as I live a busy life. Perhaps I'll set up an RSS feed or other "bot" to find news of interest when I have to time to research options and set it up.

FWIW, I'm actually very right leaning, or perhaps more centrist as I've gotten older. I just think Trump is grossly incompetent and unsuited to be US president. If Trump hadn't conducted a hostile takeover of the Republican Party, and there had been a better candidate (AFAIK the incumbent has never failed to be nominated in a 2nd term), I would have likely supported that candidate over Biden. Unfortunately, the result of Trump's incompetence and failed presidency will be 4 years of a left leaning President and Congress, but it is the lesser of two evils.

Assuming he loses, of course.

My opinion, of course; I suspect you think otherwise.

Worth quoting and supporting again. I think your last paragraph, which I'm requoting, would sum up the views of a number of conservative voters in the US. I cannot remember any US election where so many members of the ruling Party had such an effective open campaign against their President.
I have attached an ad from the Lincoln Project which I suggest reflects that feeling.

FWIW, I'm actually very right leaning, or perhaps more centrist as I've gotten older. I just think Trump is grossly incompetent and unsuited to be US president. If Trump hadn't conducted a hostile takeover of the Republican Party, and there had been a better candidate (AFAIK the incumbent has never failed to be nominated in a 2nd term), I would have likely supported that candidate over Biden. Unfortunately, the result of Trump's incompetence and failed presidency will be 4 years of a left leaning President and Congress, but it is the lesser of two evils.

 

[sptrawler]

Well from this thread, it can be assumed that those who support Trump are expecting Biden to win and those who suppport Biden, will have heart failure if he loses. Lol

 

[basilio]

I think there is a very big difference between who people vote for across the US and who ends up being in Power ...

Just been watching Vice on Netflix. Excellent film on the world of Dick Chaney.

 

[IFocus]

Well from this thread, it can be assumed that those who support Trump are expecting Biden to win and those who suppport Biden, will have heart failure if he loses. Lol

To be honest SP you would have to be a fool to be shocked if Trump gets up such is US politics, totally mental.

 

[macca]

To be honest SP you would have to be a fool to be shocked if Trump gets up such is US politics, totally mental.

Sure is a weird system, I am confident that both sides have complained about it when they lost.

Perhaps a bi partisan agreement is needed to change it to something that they can both agree on

Then again, opposing parties usually only agree on increasing their pay packets

 

[sptrawler]

To be honest SP you would have to be a fool to be shocked if Trump gets up such is US politics, totally mental.

I wouldnt have a clue, but there is a lot of wasted pent up passion on here, probably from those who dont have enough happening in their lives.lol