U.S. Presidential Election 2020

[sptrawler]

I suppose it will be the quiet majority that decide the U.S election, as it should be.
IMO it will be a huge blow for the media, if it doesn't go the Biden way, those that have poured billions into discrediting Trump will question if it was money well spent.

 

[dutchie]

As I have said before - 4 more years (it won't even be close).

 

[Macquack]

I suppose it will be the quiet majority that decide the U.S election, as it should be.
IMO it will be a huge blow for the media, if it doesn't go the Biden way, those that have poured billions into discrediting Trump will question if it was money well spent.

Who has spent billions discrediting Trump?

Trump discredits himself for free.

 

[macca]

Who has spent billions discrediting Trump?

Trump discredits himself for free.

LOL you are right, which makes it crazy that for the past four years the Dems have spent all their energy trying to bring down a democratically elected President.

If they had spent half as much energy modelling someone into being the next President they would be in a much better position IMO

True, they may still win but after what happened last time, it is no sure thing

 

[Linus van Pelt]

LOL you are right, which makes it crazy that for the past four years the Dems have spent all their energy trying to bring down a democratically elected President.

Are you saying there was no cause for the Mueller investigation, where there was credible evidence that the Trump campaign colluded with Russia to meddle in the US election?

Are you saying there was no cause for impeachment when Trump blackmailed a foreign government to meddle in the US election process?

Are you saying there is no situation in which the US Congress should take action if there is evidence of malfeasance by the US President?

True, they may still win but after what happened last time, it is no sure thing

I agree.

 

[moXJO]

Are you saying there was no cause for the Mueller investigation, where there was credible evidence that the Trump campaign colluded with Russia to meddle in the US election?

Are you saying there was no cause for impeachment when Trump blackmailed a foreign government to meddle in the US election process?

Are you saying there is no situation in which the US Congress should take action if there is evidence of malfeasance by the US President?


I agree.

Yes there was no credible evidence or he would have been done. FBI was shown to have initiated the whole investigation of a bs writ.
By agents that were caught messaging that they would do what was necessary to take down Trump.
No charges of collusion either. It was all perjury traps.

 

[Linus van Pelt]

Yes there was no credible evidence or he would have been done. FBI was shown to have initiated the whole investigation of a bs writ.
By agents that were caught messaging that they would do what was necessary to take down Trump.
No charges of collusion either. It was all perjury traps.

It was the Justice Department (Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein) who initiated the Special Prosecutor investigation, not the FBI.
It was wrong for the FBI agents to say what they did, and they were fired.
But the investigation was not started by the FBI.

Key Findings of the Mueller Report | ACS

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Full Text of the Mueller Report's Executive Summaries

Editor’s Note: Below are the executive summaries of the two volumes of Special Counsel Robert Mueller's final report. Volume I deals with links between Russia and the Trump campaign, while Volume II deals with potential obstruction of justice by President Trump. This article is available in...

www.lawfareblog.com

The conclusion from Mueller's summary:

Because we determined not to make a traditional prosecutorial judgment, we did not draw ultimate conclusions about the President's conduct. The evidence we obtained about the President's actions and intent presents difficult issues that would need to be resolved if we were making a traditional prosecutorial judgment. At the same time, if we had confidence after a thorough investigation of the facts that the President clearly did not commit obstruction of justice, we would so state. Based on the facts and the applicable legal standards, we are unable to reach that judgment. Accordingly, while this report does not conclude that the President committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him.

You are right that the investigation did not find indictable evidence of collusion. It did uncover strongly unethical conduct by the Trump campaign.
However, it did find strong evidence of obstruction of justice, but not indictable due to US legal precedent that the President cannot be indicted.
It will be interesting to see if any sealed indictments surface after Trump is no longer President (in either 2 months, or 4 years 2 months).

You didn't address the issue with the Ukrainian President, but that's cool, we'll just agree to disagree.

 

[macca]

I would think that virtually everyone who gets elected anywhere has something in their past that when viewed with biased eyes looks a bit Suss

That applies to both sides of the political spectrum

No matter what, the Dems have wasted four years when they should have been identifying a suitable person to run against Trump

300+ million people and the best they can do is a 77 years old man who has lost before

 

[wayneL]

Who has spent billions discrediting Trump?

Trump discredits himself for free.

But how would you know unless those billions were spent?

 

[dutchie]

I would think that virtually everyone who gets elected anywhere has something in their past that when viewed with biased eyes looks a bit Suss

That applies to both sides of the political spectrum

No matter what, the Dems have wasted four years when they should have been identifying a suitable person to run against Trump

300+ million people and the best they can do is a 77 years old man who has lost before

I agree.
It is easier to be negative than positive. Easier to tear down than to build.
So the Dems and the MSM are just fkn lazy.

 

[basilio]

Good Ole Boys hospitality in Texarse. They know how make people feel reeall welcome..
Trump was proud as punch of his Proud Boys and their mates trying to run Bidens Bus off the road. That should go down very well with his supporters.

Trump glorifies Texas attack in which MAGA drivers tried to push Biden/Harris bus off road

Trump glorifies Texas attack in which MAGA drivers tried to push Biden/Harris bus off road

CNN reports that Trump supporters in Texas tried to run a Biden-Harris campaign bus off the road earlier today. Trump's response was to share video of the attack, with an…

boingboing.net

 

[moXJO]

It was the Justice Department (Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein) who initiated the Special Prosecutor investigation, not the FBI.
It was wrong for the FBI agents to say what they did, and they were fired.
But the investigation was not started by the FBI.

Key Findings of the Mueller Report | ACS

www.acslaw.org

Full Text of the Mueller Report's Executive Summaries

Editor’s Note: Below are the executive summaries of the two volumes of Special Counsel Robert Mueller's final report. Volume I deals with links between Russia and the Trump campaign, while Volume II deals with potential obstruction of justice by President Trump. This article is available in...

www.lawfareblog.com

The conclusion from Mueller's summary:


You are right that the investigation did not find indictable evidence of collusion. It did uncover strongly unethical conduct by the Trump campaign.
However, it did find strong evidence of obstruction of justice, but not indictable due to US legal precedent that the President cannot be indicted.
It will be interesting to see if any sealed indictments surface after Trump is no longer President (in either 2 months, or 4 years 2 months).

You didn't address the issue with the Ukrainian President, but that's cool, we'll just agree to disagree.

That's a long winded way into saying "no collusion". Lets talk about how the Steele dossier came into existence if we want to run off on a tangent.

Democrats will initiate asap into any investigation.

 

[dutchie]

Why would Facebook ban this ad?

 

[moXJO]

Why would Facebook ban this ad?

I think Facebook said it would ban political ads just before the election. Did they do the same for Biden?

 

[moXJO]

Biden still to win off the current figures in battleground states

 

[basilio]

The ABC has a good explainer of the US election and the impact of winning/losing various states on either Parties chance of being President.

Donald Trump doesn't need the popular vote to win the election

If you're feeling overwhelmed at the thought of watching the US presidential election, use our guide to zero in on the states that matter.

www.abc.net.au

 

[dutchie]

Good Ole Boys hospitality in Texarse. They know how make people feel reeall welcome..
Trump was proud as punch of his Proud Boys and their mates trying to run Bidens Bus off the road. That should go down very well with his supporters.

Trump glorifies Texas attack in which MAGA drivers tried to push Biden/Harris bus off road

Trump glorifies Texas attack in which MAGA drivers tried to push Biden/Harris bus off road

CNN reports that Trump supporters in Texas tried to run a Biden-Harris campaign bus off the road earlier today. Trump's response was to share video of the attack, with an…

boingboing.net

TYPICAL BASILIO FAKE NEWS

It was actually a Biden staffer who tried to push Trump supporter off the highway.
Watch the video.

 

[sptrawler]

The ABC has a good explainer of the US election and the impact of winning/losing various states on either Parties chance of being President.

Donald Trump doesn't need the popular vote to win the election

If you're feeling overwhelmed at the thought of watching the US presidential election, use our guide to zero in on the states that matter.

www.abc.net.au

Good post Bas, from the maps it would indicate poorer/middle class areas generally vote Republican and coastal more affluent areas vote Democrat.
Also from what I have read the Republicans are more right leaning and Democrats more left leaning, so the situation there appears to mirror what has happened the World over the lower/middle class have become disenfranchised there as has happened here and the U.K.
Historically the left leaning parties support base has been the working class, but is now changing to be the more affluent members of society, whereas the working class is moving further to the right.
I wonder if this is because the middle class are seeing themselves as the pack mules, for the social and economic change that the elite want and the welfare recipients don't have to contribute to?
Interesting times world wide ATM.

 

[basilio]

Dutchie again, again and again you just regurgitate the Kool Aid kindly offered by your favorite sites.

It's absolutely clear that the Trump truck following the bus swerved into the other car to force it back into the other lane. That is quite clear.

In any case having a cavalcade of vehicles following and intimidating the vehicle of a political oppenent across the country is just the behavior of bully boys. Yep Proud Boys, Boogalloos, White Supremacists and so on. I'm sure that that story will swell the hearts and souls of the current Trump supporters.

I also suspect it will bring out twice as many people who think "What a bunch of xrseholes !!" zuck em. in the ballot box.

We'll see won't we ?

FBI investigating Trump supporters who swarmed Texas campaign bus

Friday incident involving ‘Trump train’ trucks goes viral, as one witness writes: ‘This is how a democracy dies’

www.theguardian.com

 

[basilio]

This idea has been widely discussed previously. Apparently it has a lot more legs at the moment.
Let's see if this focuses voters minds on the importance of this election.

Trump plans to declare victory if he takes election night lead: Axios

President Trump has told those in his orbit he intends to prematurely declare victory on election night if early returns are favorable to him despite uncounted ballots that could lead to a loss, Axios reported Sunday.

The president has discussed the plan in detail with confidants, the publication reported.

On Tuesday night, the early count in the pivotal state of Pennsylvania is expected to favor the president because of state laws against counting mail-in ballots before Election Day. However, the ongoing count is expected to narrow the margin between Trump and Democratic nominee Joe Biden, who leads in most polling of the state.

Kathy Boockvar (D), who leads Pennsylvania's State Department, said the commonwealth expects the full count to take days because of the high volume of mail-in ballots this year, 10 times the number cast in 2016.

Trump plans to declare victory if he takes election night lead: Axios

President Trump has told those in his orbit he intends to prematurely declare victory on election night if early returns are favorable to him despite uncounted ballots that could lead to a loss,

thehill.com

Trump says he is preparing for legal challenges to vote counts as final sprint begins

President lines up 10 rallies in seven swing states over two days in effort to replicate shock election win in 2016

www.theguardian.com