Tyranny

wayneL said:

Which is in itself tyrannical, and exactly the point I'm trying to make here.

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I think you are too late.

Did you pay for the restaurant meal with a credit card? Guess what?

There would have been CCTV in the street, car dash cams when you were on the road, oh did you use the car GPS?

If you passed a police car your number plate likely went into a data base.

Then most businesses these days also run CCTV over costumers and employees.

Still this all the least of your problems, Australia conducts secret trails, police can accuse you of terror related crime and hold you for months without charge in fact they can really fu(k you over, we wont let Australian passport holders back into the country, are we still the only country that wont let people out... unless you are rich or a politician or PM's mate?

But be careful... the lefts out to get you ??

IFocus said:

I think you are too late.

Did you pay for the restaurant meal with a credit card? Guess what?

There would have been CCTV in the street, car dash cams when you were on the road, oh did you use the car GPS?

If you passed a police car your number plate likely went into a data base.

Then most businesses these days also run CCTV over costumers and employees.

Still this all the least of your problems, Australia conducts secret trails, police can accuse you of terror related crime and hold you for months without charge in fact they can really fu(k you over, we wont let Australian passport holders back into the country, are we still the only country that wont let people out... unless you are rich or a politician or PM's mate?

But be careful... the lefts out to get you ??

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It's the other way round bro, the right is gonna take out the left

Perhaps this is what Tyranny looks like. And the response to it.

The Pegasus project

When the Guardian’s head of investigations, Paul Lewis, first told me about a huge data leak suggesting authoritarian regimes were possibly using smartphone hacking software to target activists, politicians and journalists, perhaps the worst part is that I wasn’t particularly surprised.

The more we’ve learned about global surveillance, ever since the Guardian’s Snowden revelations in 2013, the more the world has become accustomed to the idea that governments, both democratic and otherwise, are keenly interested in using technology and the phones in our pockets to keep tabs on us.

This week’s revelations, by the Guardian and 16 other media organisations working with Forbidden Stories, a Paris-based media nonprofit, illustrate the disturbing way that journalists, human rights campaigners, politicians and others can be targeted using spying software, or ‘spyware’.

The phone hacking tool, Pegasus, can gather data, record video using a phone’s camera, activate the microphone covertly, take screenshots and location information - all without the owner’s knowledge. A phone can be infected without its owner even clicking on an incoming call or message.

NSO sells its software to 40 governments around the world (it does not say which ones), and says its purpose is to help them investigate terrorists and criminals. But a leaked list of tens of thousands of numbers, many belonging to people with no apparent connection to criminality, and forensic analysis carried out on some of their phones, suggests some governments are spying on pro-democracy activists, journalists investigating corruption, and political opponents.

Investigations such as these are legally fraught and technically complex, involving dozens of journalists, IT experts and in-house lawyers in multiple locations. Those being investigated are often highly secretive and extremely well-resourced, financially and technologically. They don’t want the scrutiny that courageous journalists subject them to. There can be great jeopardy in publishing things that powerful people do not want published.

And yet for the Guardian, such investigations are at the heart of our mission. Because of our independence, we are able to investigate boldly, putting the truth ahead of the agenda of an owner, investors or shareholders. And because we are reader-funded we have been able to keep our journalism open for all to read, so when important stories like this come along, everyone gets to read them.

From the Snowden revelations to our ongoing scrutiny of big technology, the Guardian has a long track record of exposing how technology can be subverted to abuse democracy and human rights.

If that is a mission that you appreciate, please do join us today. Your support will empower our journalists to continue scrutinising governments and others who exploit technology with a disregard for people’s rights.

Yours sincerely,

Katharine Viner,
Editor in Chief
Guardian News and Media

Boiling frogs and the complicity of the terrified.

Nice move, tyrants.

wayneL said:

Nice move, tyrants.

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Let's refer back to the AIDS epidemic.

What would you think if someone who knowingly had AIDS engaged in actions that could could transfer it to another person ?

This is a health epidemic and people have a right to know if their life could be at risk by close contact with another person.

The world did not lock down because of AIDS

Equally, the same question could be asked of influenza.

But those small minority who believe they are at risk from covid should protect themselves and as a society, we should facilitate that.

Look at the figures and look at the figures of all other causes of death. To repeat ad nauseam you are being played for another agenda.

wayneL said:

The world did not lock down because of AIDS

Equally, the same question could be asked of influenza.

But those small minority who believe they are at risk from covid should protect themselves and as a society, we should facilitate that.

Look at the figures and look at the figures of all other causes of death. To repeat ad nauseam you are being played for another agenda.

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I understand your concern about civil rights and privacy, but health should be a priority.

Most people agree with lockdowns as long as financial compensation keeps coming in.

If those are discontinued things will turn ugly.

SirRumpole said:

Let's refer back to the AIDS epidemic.

What would you think if someone who knowingly had AIDS engaged in actions that could could transfer it to another person ?

This is a health epidemic and people have a right to know if their life could be at risk by close contact with another person.

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You can bet your bottom dollar that the anti maskers would not hesitate to grab for a mask if their plane was going down!

SirRumpole said:

I understand your concern about civil rights and privacy, but health should be a priority.

Most people agree with lockdowns as long as financial compensation keeps coming in.

If those are discontinued things will turn ugly.

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Yes indeed, most people are bribed into believing lockdowns are the right thing. However it has been suggested that the ultimate death toll from lockdowns are about 4 times greater than death from covid.

therefore if people understood in actual ramifications of everything in toto, they would be against lockdowns.

Unfortunately most people do not have the statistical wherewithal or the critical thinking capacity to understand that.

Governments to understand that hence the current propaganda... And we shall soon see where that leads.

wayneL said:

However it has been suggested that the ultimate death toll from lockdowns are about 4 times greater than death from covid.

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Can you provide substantiation of that ?

wayneL said:

Yes indeed, most people are bribed into believing lockdowns are the right thing. However it has been suggested that the ultimate death toll from lockdowns are about 4 times greater than death from covid.

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Zero evidence!

wayneL said:

therefore if people understood in actual ramifications of everything in toto, they would be against lockdowns.

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If we applied the UK's covid experience to Australia's population then about 48000 would have died from covid alone.
However, in the period up to 31 March 2021 (most recent official data available) only 33,575 deaths occurred in Australia from all causes.

The data speaks for itself and @wayneL's ideas have no reasonable basis.

wayneL said:

Unfortunately most people do not have the statistical wherewithal or the critical thinking capacity to understand that.

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You haven't offered anything to suggest your points are valid!

wayneL said:

Governments to understand that hence the current propaganda... And we shall soon see where that leads.

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Conspiracy theorist extraordinaire.

wayneL said:

Yes indeed, most people are bribed into believing lockdowns are the right thing. However it has been suggested that the ultimate death toll from lockdowns are about 4 times greater than death from covid.

therefore if people understood in actual ramifications of everything in toto, they would be against lockdowns.

Unfortunately most people do not have the statistical wherewithal or the critical thinking capacity to understand that.

Governments to understand that hence the current propaganda... And we shall soon see where that leads.

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Nope seen the numbers the other day death rate is lower than normal including suicide.

IFocus said:

Nope seen the numbers the other day death rate is lower than normal including suicide.

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Sure?

Last year was a drop by 5%. But we had Jobkeeper/seeker.

The number of people in NSW who took their own lives in January 2021 is almost 30 per cent higher than the corresponding period 12 months earlier.
NSW government data issued on Friday shows 104 people committed suicide in January 2021, compared with 81 in January 2020.

moXJO said:

Sure?

Last year was a drop by 5%. But we had Jobkeeper/seeker.

The number of people in NSW who took their own lives in January 2021 is almost 30 per cent higher than the corresponding period 12 months earlier.
NSW government data issued on Friday shows 104 people committed suicide in January 2021, compared with 81 in January 2020.

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Given there were no lockdowns in NSW in January 2020 or January 2021 whatever data anomaly exists for suicides would be due to other factors.
Your cherry picking is unlikely to earn you a living in the country.

rederob said:

Given there were no lockdowns in NSW in January 2020 or January 2021 whatever data anomaly exists for suicides would be due to other factors.
Your cherry picking is unlikely to earn you a living in the country.

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Job keeper ended. Your lack of awareness of mitigating factors knows no bounds.

moXJO said:

Job keeper ended. Your lack of awareness of mitigating factors knows no bounds.

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Jobkeeper and Jobseeker ended at end March 2021, which is 2 months after the data you quoted!
Please do better.

WTAF?

rederob said:

Jobkeeper and Jobseeker ended at end March 2021, which is 2 months after the data you quoted!
Please do better.

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Sorry meant the debt relief measures.

moXJO said:

Sorry meant the debt relief measures.

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Really doesn't matter because you have:

• cherry picked
• missed federal support measures
• not used labor force data showing the turnaround into 2021, and
• overlooked the continuous economic improvement occurring in the 6 months preceding the one month's suicide data you used.