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[moXJO]

Really doesn't matter because you have:

• cherry picked
• missed federal support measures
• not used labor force data showing the turnaround into 2021, and
• overlooked the continuous economic improvement occurring in the 6 months preceding the one month's suicide data you used.

No please go ahead and explain an increase of 30%.
Perhaps we can go through the figures on:

Access to crisis lines during lockdowns.

Mental health access.

Let's list anxiety while we are at it.

Specific industries flourished others couldn't hold out.

Let's go through those.

Or perhaps you can admit that an Idiotic argument like "covid had no effect on people or businesses" (like you seem to be stating) is in fact as dumb as it sounds.

 

[orr]

Does

Sorry meant the debt relief measures.

Does that mean you're trying to using the kaleidiscope backwards ???? again??? Mox...

Thanks for your effort Redders... if only I had the time and incination.

 

[moXJO]

Does

Does that mean you're trying to using the kaleidiscope backwards ???? again??? Mox...

Thanks for your effort Redders... if only I had the time and incination.

Na multiple replies to another thread and had "Jobkeeper on the brain". I organised Jobkeeper/seeker for a lot of local trades so was aware of march.

The bankruptcy laws were changed in jan.

But seriously that's what weak ass argument you came back with. Get back in the kiddies pool.

 

[orr]

And i stay there to mox .... well with in my depth ....

 

[moXJO]

And i stay there to mox .... well with in my depth ....

Yes... shallow

 

[divs4ever]

I think you are too late.

Did you pay for the restaurant meal with a credit card? Guess what?

There would have been CCTV in the street, car dash cams when you were on the road, oh did you use the car GPS?

If you passed a police car your number plate likely went into a data base.

Then most businesses these days also run CCTV over costumers and employees.

Still this all the least of your problems, Australia conducts secret trails, police can accuse you of terror related crime and hold you for months without charge in fact they can really fu(k you over, we wont let Australian passport holders back into the country, are we still the only country that wont let people out... unless you are rich or a politician or PM's mate?

But be careful... the lefts out to get you ??

the Left is always out to get you it is called IQ envy

 

[divs4ever]

Nope seen the numbers the other day death rate is lower than normal including suicide.

due to reduced numbers of people traveling and exercising you have less chance of detecting the successful suicides , so even the suicide rate might be currently flawed

 

[divs4ever]

WTAF?

thank goodness i am not working hospitality anymore , think of all those balcony doors that need extra cleaning after the departure

as if House staff don't have enough to do , already

 

[divs4ever]

BTW i hope the NRL staff remember this petty tyranny next season

revenge is best serve cold

 

[IFocus]

Sure?

Yeah, likely due to increased funding for mental illness by the federal and state governments for which they should be commended, it really stands out as many were expecting serious increases also note over all deaths dropped of as well maybe next year we will see an increase back to the average or higher as the flu and COVID are likely to get a good run through the community but then who knows.

 

[rederob]

No please go ahead and explain an increase of 30%.

It's a cherrypicked statistic and totally meaningless because it may reflect any number of factors.
What if the next month is opposite, or the month after that?
Did you identify a trend?
The data is conclusive and your claim about suicides is totally baseless:

If lockdowns are increasing suicide rates why did they actually fall by 4.8% in 2020?
Should we instead proclaim that lockdowns are reducing suicides?

Perhaps we can go through the figures on:

Access to crisis lines during lockdowns.

Mental health access.

Let's list anxiety while we are at it.

Specific industries flourished others couldn't hold out.

Let's go through those.

Or perhaps you can admit that an Idiotic argument like "covid had no effect on people or businesses" (like you seem to be stating) is in fact as dumb as it sounds.

Nobody is saying that this pandemic is good, but it is you who is making claims that are baseless, and now you want to rest your laurels on the bleeding obvious.

 

[moXJO]

It's a cherrypicked statistic and totally meaningless because it may reflect any number of factors.
What if the next month is opposite, or the month after that?
Did you identify a trend?
The data is conclusive and your claim about suicides is totally baseless:
View attachment 127838If lockdowns are increasing suicide rates why did they actually fall by 4.8% in 2020?
Should we instead proclaim that lockdowns are reducing suicides?


Nobody is saying that this pandemic is good, but it is you who is making claims that are baseless, and now you want to rest your laurels on the bleeding obvious.

Oh so we didn't have huge increases in hits to mental health access during.
The stimulus is what kept it low. Access to mental health facilities was still at a high. But that was mixed by loneliness/isolation.

But let's clarify your argument first because you like to shift on the run.
Are you saying that lockdowns had no effect?

 

[rederob]

Oh so we didn't have huge increases in hits to mental health access during.
The stimulus is what kept it low. Access to mental health facilities was still at a high. But that was mixed by loneliness/isolation.

I showed your claim to be baseless several times as you kept moving the goalposts.
Now you want to move them again!

But let's clarify your argument first because you like to shift on the run.
Are you saying that lockdowns had no effect?

I only responded to your baseless claims.
The pandemic has clearly caused great disruption to what we would otherwise regard as "normal".

 

[moXJO]

I showed your claim to be baseless several times as you kept moving the goalposts.
Now you want to move them again!

I only responded to your baseless claims.
The pandemic has clearly caused great disruption to what we would otherwise regard as "normal".

My claim that suicides were up in Jan are baseless?

And?

If lockdowns are increasing suicide rates why did they actually fall by 4.8% in 2020?
Should we instead proclaim that lockdowns are reducing suicides?

Clarify your position on lockdowns relating to suicides perhaps.

 

[rederob]

My claim that suicides were up in Jan are baseless?

And?

The basis for your cherrypicked claim was false.
You want us to believe that seeing one swallow means it's summer!
Whatever you thought is inconsistent with data as the month you chose was anomalous. February data was 19% lower and March data was 27% lower. Moreover the overall trend is of a declining suicide rate based on population.
One swallow does not a summer make.

 

[moXJO]

The basis for your cherrypicked claim was false.
You want us to believe that seeing one swallow means it's summer!
Whatever you thought is inconsistent with data as the month you chose was anomalous. February data was 19% lower and March data was 27% lower. Moreover the overall trend is of a declining suicide rate based on population.
One swallow does not a summer make.

Once again clarify your position on lockdowns and suicides.

Mine is that lockdowns and continuing lockdowns will increase suicides.
Right now we have a buffer of govt stimulus.

 

[rederob]

Once again clarify your position on lockdowns and suicides.

Mine is that lockdowns and continuing lockdowns will increase suicides.
Right now we have a buffer of govt stimulus.

You have no evidence supporting your claim.

 

[moXJO]

The basis for your cherrypicked claim was false.
You want us to believe that seeing one swallow means it's summer!

Financial strain is generally 20 times higher probability of attempting suicide compared to other variables.

Turning off federal support was as good as any reason seeing the two coincided in Jan.
There were many that did not recover after last year, despite the economy pumping through.

 

[moXJO]

You have no evidence supporting your claim.

Financial stress is a claim. Increasing mental health access, increasing anxiety.

What's your position again?

 

[moXJO]

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New Kids Helpline data reveals spike in duty of care interventions​

by: yourtown 09 Jun 2021 Media Releases

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2. New Kids Helpline data reveals spike in duty of care interventions

Kids Helpline, a service of yourtown, has today announced that duty of care interventions to protect children and young people were 99% higher nationally from 1 December 2020 – 31 May 2021 compared to the same period a year ago.​

A duty of care intervention is an instance where Kids Helpline counsellors make contact with police, child safety or ambulance services because a child or young person is deemed to be at imminent risk.
The escalation over the past 6 months across Australia is largely related to suicide attempts (38%) and child abuse (35%).
Of note:

• Victoria has had an increase of 184% in duty of care interventions enacted by Kids Helpline on behalf of children and young people. 75% of emergency interventions were for young people aged 13-18. For those aged between 5-25, 44% of emergency interventions over the past 6 months in Victoria have been in response to an immediate intent to enact suicide, with child abuse accounting for 31%.
• New South Wales has had an increase of 40% in duty of care interventions enacted by Kids Helpline on behalf of children and young people. For those children and young people aged between 5–25, 44% of emergency interventions over the past 6 months in New South Wales have been in response to child abuse and 35% have been in response to an immediate intent to enact suicide.
• Queensland has had an increase of 46% in duty of care interventions enacted by Kids Helpline on behalf of children and young people. 120 contacts regarding a suicide attempt was made that required counsellors to engage an ambulance or medical intervention. For children and young people aged 5-25 in Queensland, 40% of emergency interventions have been in response to an immediate intent to enact suicide with child abuse accounting for 31% of duty of care interventions.